Would you say no to a job?

clartharlear

What would be a dealbreaker for a teaching job in a school for you now?

Or would you not say no to anything in the current climate?

wicklowgal

This ones pretty simple, in the current economic climate (hate that phrase!!), I'd accept any teaching job!!

ahaaha

What a crazy post!!! There are people out there willing to move heaven and earth even for a few measly hours pro rata. a friend of mine applied for a job - 1000 applicants!

maynooth_rules

wicklowgal wrote: »

This ones pretty simple, in the current economic climate (hate that phrase!!), I'd accept any teaching job!!

This, i would accept anything now, literally anything. Anybody who would turn down a job for any reason now really has to ask themselves serious questions

clartharlear

Sheesh with the aggression. :rolleyes: I'm not sure you fully understand the point of my question.

Teachers in the past have fought hard for improved working conditions. Pay, of course, but also school entry age, class sizes, unpaid supervision/substitution, equality (e.g. as a woman, would you happily take a job that you knew a man would be paid more for) etc etc.

I'll probably work double, if not triple, my class room hours next year. And I'm f***ing delighted to have a job.

The desperation of unemployment >> professional self-regard?

rainbowtrout

clartharlear wrote: »

Sheesh with the aggression. :rolleyes: I'm not sure you fully understand the point of my question.

Teachers in the past have fought hard for improved working conditions. Pay, of course, but also school entry age, class sizes, unpaid supervision/substitution, equality (e.g. as a woman, would you happily take a job that you knew a man would be paid more for) etc etc.

I'll probably work double, if not triple, my class room hours next year. And I'm f***ing delighted to have a job.

The desperation of unemployment >> professional self-regard?

Well I think when it's a case of employment v unemployment, there are plenty of people out there who would be willing to work the hours if it meant they had a job. And I don't think teaching is any different from any other profession in that regard.

One of the teachers that lost her job in my school this year joined us 2 years ago on as a part time teacher after 12 years permanency in her previous school. She moved because it was closer to home (young children). For the subject she taught there will be one big class of 30 in fifth year this year instead of two classes of 15 as would have happened in previous years. I know she'd give anything to be back teaching that class of 30 in an overcrowded classroom, even if she only had 11 hours a week rather than be on the dole.


Just out of curiosity, why do you think you will be working double or triple your classroom hours next year?

keithm1

pfft teachers always giving out bout something :rolleyes::D

Toto Wolfcastle

keithm1 wrote: »

pfft teachers always giving out bout something :rolleyes::D

keithm1, if you have nothing constructive to add then please do not post. Thank you.

ahaaha

if i were a permanent teacher then i would be worried about class sizes etc -i'm looking at 33 kiddies in my science lab next year - dunno how i'll even fit them in, never mind insurance cover and the fact i dont have enough equipment for all the experiments they have to do. the amount of work that i'll have to do doesn't even enter my brain unfortunately - but i see where you're coming from OP

peewee18988

Does anyone think there will be a flurry of jobs in August? Surely there must be more jobs then what has been advertised? I have a 2.1 h-dip and degree, don't really fancy pullin pints and servin sandwiches for a year.

Also, does anyone know if Dublin and Meath VECs have interviewed yet?

Blazer

No.....I mean Yes..
Goddamnit I mean "NO"..stop with those trick questions :mad:

linguist

First of all, it's my first post, so greetings to all concerned.

On the jobs situation, August etc..., if only I had an answer to that question. It's pretty unnerving. Let's go through what we know. The average state secondary school is losing 2.6 posts due to the increased pupil teacher ratio. On the other hand, any time I talk to anyone, I'm hearing about loads of retirements. As I understand it, people have up to 31st July to make a decision on a retirement that will come into effect at the end of August. I've also heard some suggestions of people planning to retire at Hallowe'en.

Now, it would make sense to me that schools will initially try to retain existing staff to fill any vacancy opened up by a retirement. However, you can't make a Biology teacher a French teacher, there will clearly be jobs to fill.

I reckon there will have to be some recruitment activity during August but don't simply rely on ads. If there are schools you're particularly interested in, apply on spec, particularly if you hear of a retirement there. Unfortunately, on spec applications don't really work in VEC schools, other than for subbing.

As regards Co. Dublin VEC, the news I have is that they have been shortlisting over the past couple of weeks. I'm waiting too if it's any consolation. They have advertised for a range of clerical and SNA jobs in the last few days with a closing date of 7th August (if memory serves). I've a feeling they'll interview through August, but then, I'm trying to keep myself positive as well.

Good luck - it's a tense time for all of us.

rainbowtrout

ahaaha wrote: »

if i were a permanent teacher then i would be worried about class sizes etc -i'm looking at 33 kiddies in my science lab next year - dunno how i'll even fit them in, never mind insurance cover and the fact i dont have enough equipment for all the experiments they have to do. the amount of work that i'll have to do doesn't even enter my brain unfortunately - but i see where you're coming from OP

33! That's nuts! We're ok in the science dept in my school for the moment, still sticking with 24 in a class. But the non practical subjects are suffering

ahaaha

rainbowtrout wrote: »

33! That's nuts! We're ok in the science dept in my school for the moment, still sticking with 24 in a class. But the non practical subjects are suffering

i know its just crazy stuff altogether - principal is gonna prob take bout 6 of them out of each class at a time, which means every class i'll be missing 6 children and will have 6 children that missed the last class. :mad:

rainbowtrout

ahaaha wrote: »

i know its just crazy stuff altogether - principal is gonna prob take bout 6 of them out of each class at a time, which means every class i'll be missing 6 children and will have 6 children that missed the last class. :mad:

I can't imagine the parents being too happy when they hear that.

ahaaha

i know -personally i hope they kick up a stink!

Munster Gal

I would take any job to get out of the one I'm currently in. In my "school" teachers are physically attacked and threatened almost every day and management don't want to know. Staff members' children have been intimidated by students, teachers' homes vandalised and their cars pelted with eggs. All complaints to management have fallen on deaf ears and strangely enough the complainants seem to end up with awful timetables and the most difficult classes the very next school year.
I've been (unsuccessfully) looking for a new job since I had to deal with knife throwing in class when I was 6 months pregnant. The knifeman went unpunished, and did I mention that during that same class I was shoulder-tackled up against a bookcase by one of the students who wasn't even reprimanded for it?
To answer you're question, I wouldn't say no any job because it couldn't be any worse than the one I'm in!

clartharlear

Gosh, munstergal. Those are tough conditions. I'm wondering if there'd be people happy to swap unemployment for them, though.

Munster Gal

I'd say plenty would. I'm only there myself because it's permanent and like everyone else we've bills to pay. I have an honours primary degree, HDip, MEd. and a HDip in Compensatory & Remedial Education so on paper I'm very employable. I'm limited geographically due to my school-going children and my husband's business which is why I've been stuck in my current job for so long.

gaeilgebeo

Wow MunsterGirl, I really am shocked to hear that. My school would be considered a "tough" school but nothing in comparison to the criminality and chaos in your school!