Dunne v Poonsawat - Purse Bids On Monday!

f1dan

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=20475&more=1

Big Ears

Has Magee got a vendetta against Dunne or something ?

This will end up in Dublin, the Thai's will probably be trying to coax a bit more cash out of Peters by claiming they want to try and get this in Thailand but the truth is the only way the fight ends up there is if Peters gets greedy and thinks he can win the fight with a very low purse bid.

Andyfbt

what's this other guy like? He also bet Cordoba!

duagre

was that a fairly disputable result?
I have vague memories of hearing that it was a fairly controversial one before Dunne fought Cordoba. It was a split decision over in Thailand.

edit. If boxrec is correct his height is 5′ 3½″ / 161cm
seems rather short

Big Ears

duagre wrote: »

was that a fairly disputable result?
I have vague memories of hearing that it was a fairly controversial one before Dunne fought Cordoba. It was a split decision over in Thailand.

edit. If boxrec is correct his height is 5′ 3½″ / 161cm
seems rather short

He is, he's short and powerful and if I'm honest I'm pretty worried.
Although a former Bantamweight, he's strong and can punch hard to body and head.

Footage on him is limited and I haven't seen him in quite some time, but it's one of Cordoba's fights with Sidorenko that was a robbery not the Poonsawat fight.
Dunne will be slicker than anyone Kratingdaengym has faced, but if he was able to cope with the size of Cordoba size shouldn't be a problem against Dunne.

I'm worried that he'll go straight after Dunne once his camp look at footage from the Martinez fight. Winning this fight would be massive for Dunne, although he won't get as much credit as he'll deserve for it Worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_ytp7e5xXk

duagre

Thanks for clips

unknown13

This fight is going to be in Dublin because I don't his promoter will have enough money to bring this fight to Thailand unless Brian Peters makes a balls of the purse bids.

I taught a few days ago looking at the Thai's record that Dunne would beat him on a fairly wide decision but now looking at him on youtube it will be a tougher fight for Dunne but I still think Dunne will beat him. The records of the opponents the Thai has faced has been pritty poor and he has gone the distance a few times with opponents with bad records aswell.

nacho libre

I'm sure Dunne will also have learnt from the Martinez fight and will make it difficult for this guy, if he is a banger, to land big shots on him. Even if he doesn't beat Poonsawat he's proved a lot of people wrong(myself included) by getting as far as he has.

akindoc

If it happens, I think dunne is in big trouble. He'll get stopped.

mark renton

akindoc wrote: »

If it happens, I think dunne is in big trouble. He'll get stopped.

Have to disagree - on the basis that Cordoba was a better fighter fighting Bernard than when he fought Poonswaat, also on the basis that the quality of opponents that Poonswaat has fought, bar Cordoba - you get no points in my book for KOing low quality opponents who can be easy to hit

Also Bernard hurt Cordoba more than Poonswaat hurt him

Andyfbt

He is small but look at the back on him, pure power, similar to Martinez. Dunne will have to fight very smart to beat this guy imo. I'd say Dunne is the better technical fighter and if it goes the distance will probably win but will have to watch that bloody chin of his

aragiav

john47832 wrote: »

Have to disagree - on the basis that Cordoba was a better fighter fighting Bernard than when he fought Poonswaat, also on the basis that the quality of opponents that Poonswaat has fought, bar Cordoba - you get no points in my book for KOing low quality opponents who can be easy to hit

Also Bernard hurt Cordoba more than Poonswaat hurt him

This is a fact a lot of people don't seem to realise. All I ever hear is "Cordoba gassed", but there was a reason for that...Dunne wore him down over the fight and managed to do what no one, not Caballero or Poonsawat Kratingdaeng, could do before. Much credit has to go to Dunne for this, especially since Cordoba was probably looking at this as one of the easier fights of his career.

damox1

I think Dunne has learned alot in his loss to Martinez and the win over Cordoba. My money would be on Dunne to win late stoppage or points.

Box this guy on the outside and keep him at distance.
He has a very padded record bar the Cordoba fight.

mark renton

Is there a time on this today?

f1dan

6pm in Spain, I presume it's local time

Vintagekits

f1dan wrote: »

6pm in Spain, I presume it's local time

I am assuming noon Panama time is 6pm in Spain then, ]

July 9th, 2009TO : ALL BONAFIDE PROMOTERSFROM : WBA PRESIDENCY

REF.: PURSE BID

Dear Sirs Please be kindly advised that the World Championships Committee of the World Boxing Association is opening to Purse Bid the following World Title Fight

DIVISION : SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT (168 Lbs.)]

CONTENDERS: MIKKEL KESSLER (DEN) VS. GUSMYL PERDOMO (VEN)(WBA CHAMPION) (OFFICIAL CONTENDER)]

MINIMUM AMOUNT : US$ 200,000.00DIVISION : SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT (122 Lbs.)

CONTENDERS: BERNARDE DUNNE (IRL) VS. POONSAWAT KRATINDAENG (THA)(WBA CHAMPION) (INTERIM CHAMPION)

MINIMUM AMOUNT : US$ 120,000.00]

PURSE BID SPLIT : [55 % Champion / 45 % Challenger]]

The Bidding will take place on Monday, July 20th, 2009, at 18:00, at European Boxing Association/ Ricardo Puga, 7 Bajo,01003 VITORIA (Spain), Tel. +34-945-257-253.]

The Bidding will be directed by Mr. Bartolome Torralba. Should you have any question please contact at Phone: +34 609 474503 or E-mail: <a href="mailto:bartolome@europeboxing.comEnc">bartolome@europeboxing.com]

It is important you read it and comply with the Purse Bid regulations; otherwise your proposal will be disqualified.By World Boxing AssociationGilberto Jesus MendozaExecutive Vice-president

Big Ears

$120,000/€84,488/4,078,400 Baht

That's a lot of money for the Thai's to put up just to make the minimum bid.
Poonsawat is one of their main fighters, they might bid just above the minimum amount, but Peters really should have this.

Vintagekits

Big Ears wrote: »

$120,000/€84,488/4,078,400 Baht

That's a lot of money for the Thai's to put up just to make the minimum bid.
Poonsawat is one of their main fighters, they might bid just above the minimum amount, but Peters really should have this.

you'd hope so wouldnt you. But what happened with the McCloskey bid then?

Big Ears

Vintagekits wrote: »

you'd hope so wouldnt you. But what happened with the McCloskey bid then?

French people.........and them having more money than Thai people.

M'Baye's a big name in France(particularly in Paris where he's from) and they had the backing of being able to put on a big card, with Mezaache defending his European title on the card aswell and being able to complete the card with well known prospect Ali Chebah.It was a very big card in French terms and the McCloskey card in Ireland wouldn't of been.

McCloskey isn't Dunne, he isn't going to be able to pack out a 10,000+ arena.
His bid I guess would of been one taking into account a crowd size of 2,000-3,000 with the potential of no tv money.


Dunne is Ireland's biggest name, Peters knows this would be a sell out and he'd probably receive his biggest income from a Dunne fight. The Thai's might gamble on this, they may take a loss here feeling that if they get the title they can make more money in the future. But they're not going to go with anything astronomical. Peters really should win this.

Vintagekits

Big Ears wrote: »

French people.........and them having more money than Thai people.

M'Baye's a big name in France(particularly in Paris where he's from) and they had the backing of being able to put on a big card, with Mezaache defending his European title on the card aswell and being able to complete the card with well known prospect Ali Chebah.It was a very big card in French terms and the McCloskey card in Ireland wouldn't of been.

McCloskey isn't Dunne, he isn't going to be able to pack out a 10,000+ arena.
His bid I guess would of been one taking into account a crowd size of 2,000-3,000 with the potential of no tv money.


Dunne is Ireland's biggest name, Peters knows this would be a sell out and he'd probably receive his biggest income from a Dunne fight. The Thai's might gamble on this, they may take a loss here feeling that if they get the title they can make more money in the future. But they're not going to go with anything astronomical. Peters really should win this.

yeah, fair point, well made!

duagre

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In addition to the purse bid for Kessler-Perdomo, Brian Peters Promotions won the right to promote WBA super bantamweight champion Bernard Dunne’s first title defense against interim titleholder Poonsawat Kratindaeng. The winning bid was $120,000 with Peters being the only bidder. Possible dates and places for the fight are September 26th in Dublin, Ireland, October 2nd in Macau, China or October 3rd in New York City. Both purse auctions were held at the European Boxing Association (EBA) office in Vitoria, Spain.
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alanceltic

Congrats to team Dunne on winning out on the purse bid, something of a master stroke managing to get it for the bare minimum $120,000. Heres looking forward to another special night at the point (or mabey china haha)

joepenguin

Does that mean that the lads will duke it out for 120,000 with an arranged split. did i read 55/45 somewhere?

Oh and are the dates the only ones to choose from.

Vintagekits

just a minor point - I have had it confirmed by The Ring's editor in Asia that his name is "Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym" - note the first G and the gym at the end

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

Does that mean that the lads will duke it out for 120,000 with an arranged split. did i read 55/45 somewhere?

Oh and are the dates the only ones to choose from.

Yes it does, but depending on Dunne's relationship with Peters or his contract to him he could be entitled to more.

But out of Peters winning bid of $120,000, Dunne gets $66,000(€46,400) and Poonsawat gets $54,000(€38,000) - the 3% sanctioning fee for each and then you get into manager and trainer fees, 40% tax etc.

Daroxtar

Vintagekits wrote: »

just a minor point - I have had it confirmed by The Ring's editor in Asia that his name is "Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym" - note the first G and the gym at the end

Yes, but Thai script has diferent characters representing different sounds and has not been standardised to the same level as our languages so their english alphabet spelling is a bit "as you like", especially in cases of semi silent letters. Also, the surname is dropped in most cases so Poonsawat is fine. Khap khun or i could say korb koon:)

Vintagekits

Daroxtar wrote: »

Yes, but Thai script has diferent characters representing different sounds and has not been standardised to the same level as our languages so their english alphabet spelling is a bit "as you like", especially in cases of semi silent letters. Also, the surname is dropped in most cases so Poonsawat is fine. Khap khun or i could say korb koon:)

well thats what I've been told anyway.Also that isnt his real real its an assumed name for boxing - Kratingdaenggym is the Gym that he fights out of and Kratingdaeng is Thai for Red Bull - so its Poonsawat of the Red Bull Gym. Thats what I've been told anyway

aragiav

Vintagekits wrote: »

well thats what I've been told anyway.Also that isnt his real real its an assumed name for boxing - Kratingdaenggym is the Gym that he fights out of and Kratingdaeng is Thai for Red Bull - so its Poonsawat of the Red Bull Gym. Thats what I've been told anyway

Who cares what his real name is? As long as Poonsawat of The Red Bull Gym gets his ass kicked come September, I don't really care what people call him!:D
Poor Jimmy Magee though, how the f**k is he going to manage pronouncing that name!:eek:

Big Ears

aragiav wrote: »

Who cares what his real name is? As long as Poonsawat of The Red Bull Gym gets his ass kicked come September, I don't really care what people call him!:D
Poor Jimmy Magee though, how the f**k is he going to manage pronouncing that name!:eek:

Don't worry Jimmy will find an incorrect pronunciation and then repeatedly say that. I presume we'll be hearing quite a bit of 'the Thai' or 'the Thai fighter' aswell. They should probably just call him Poonsawat as that'll be much easier for Jimmy and Dave Boy who struggled with the name Cordoba.

Btw you'll see Kratingdaenggym coming to the ring in his traditional red bull shorts, all the fighters of that gym wear them.

mark renton

Seems Harry Hawkins was quoted in the star saying Bernard could still face a voluntary - is this possible?

Vintagekits

john47832 wrote: »

Seems Harry Hawkins was quoted in the star saying Bernard could still face a voluntary - is this possible?

I doubt it. Got a link to the article?

Big Ears

To face a voluntary Poonsawat and his team would have to be paid step aside money, which would only likely defer a fight with him anyway.

mark renton

No link - I'm old school, still tend to do me reading from Newspapers

13663046

Poonsawat's promoter made a balls up at the purse bids as the promoter was not registered with the WBA therefore could not make a bid on the purse.

Thats why peters got it at the minimum price and was the only bidder. i'd say he would be able to use this to get a voluntary, if he offers Poonsawat more money to fight further down the line.

mark renton

I get the feeling Munroe is close by

aragiav

13663046 wrote: »

Poonsawat's promoter made a balls up at the purse bids as the promoter was not registered with the WBA therefore could not make a bid on the purse.

Thats why peters got it at the minimum price and was the only bidder. i'd say he would be able to use this to get a voluntary, if he offers Poonsawat more money to fight further down the line.

How would that work?The WBA enforced the mandatory didn't they, how would Peters get around this?How could Peters offer Poonsawat the option to step aside, what if Dunne lost the voluntary (not that I think Munroe would beat Dunne) where would this leave Poonsawat?

Big Ears

aragiav wrote: »

How would that work?The WBA enforced the mandatory didn't they, how would Peters get around this?How could Peters offer Poonsawat the option to step aside, what if Dunne lost the voluntary (not that I think Munroe would beat Dunne) where would this leave Poonsawat?

The voluntary would probably be made with it wrote into the contract that the winner must face Poonsawat in their next defence.

Stuff like this happens all the time in boxing, not that I'm saying they will or won't have a voluntary here instead but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

aragiav

Big Ears wrote: »

The voluntary would probably be made with it wrote into the contract that the winner must face Poonsawat in their next defence.

Stuff like this happens all the time in boxing, not that I'm saying they will or won't have a voluntary here instead but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

So if Munroe won he would have to face Poonsawat in his first defence, I get it now.How likely is this? I was looking forward to seeing Dunne in with Kratingdaengym, if he took a voluntary against Munroe it would be a huge dissapointment.It would have to be decided soon wouldn't it so Dunne could start training for his opponents style? I mean a feather fisted but slick southpaw and a 5'3" banger are two very different prospects for Dunne!

duagre

to be honest, the Munroe match up would be the bigger drawing fight.

Vintagekits

duagre wrote: »

to be honest, the Munroe match up would be the bigger drawing fight.

it would also be an easier fight imo!!

mark renton

Big Ears wrote: »

The voluntary would probably be made with it wrote into the contract that the winner must face Poonsawat in their next defence.

Stuff like this happens all the time in boxing, not that I'm saying they will or won't have a voluntary here instead but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

So then Poonsawat gets a tidy sum, and is gauranteed a title shot probably by Christmas and if the winner does not fight Poonsawat they will then have to relinquish the title

So Poonsawat gets a few quid and a title fight - just 3-4 months later than expected

hunter164

Dunne was in Smyths today did anyone ask him what he was doing? :pac:

c1979

has the fight been agreed?

mark renton

Looks like sept 24 - still not official where - i believe tv deals still have to be done, which could possibly see fight take place elsewhere though unlikely

Big Ears

john47832 wrote: »

Looks like sept 24 - still not official where - i believe tv deals still have to be done, which could possibly see fight take place elsewhere though unlikely

On a Thursday ?, surely you mean the 26th of September ?

mark renton

Big Ears wrote: »

On a Thursday ?, surely you mean the 26th of September ?

Sorry 26th

dbrady01

It was in the herald last night that it will beSaturday, September 26, most likely at the O2

MuscleShark

From the Bangkok Post Newspaper in Thailand:

Poonsawat's fight date set

Writer: KITTIPONG THONGSOMBAT
Published: 4/08/2009 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: Sports

Thai super-bantamweight star Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym will fight WBA champion Bernard Dunne in Ireland on September 26.

Poonsawat

Brian Peters Promotions, who control Dunne, won the purse bids to hold the fight for $120,000.

Niwat Laosuwanwat, who promotes the Thai challenger, had initially said he would contest the bid process but has since changed his mind.

A source close to the deal said that a squabble between the Galaxy camp and foreign middlemen caused Poonsawat's handlers to miss out on submitting a bid.

The Thai camp will receive 45% of the winning amount ($54,000 or about 1.89 million baht), a relatively low figure for a fight of this nature.

The mandatory fight of the 122-pound division is likely to take place the O2 stadium in Dublin where Dunne (28-1 with 15 KOs) stopped Ricardo Cordoba in his last defence in March.

Niwat believes Poonsawat can spring an upset, especially as the Thai outpointed Cordoba in Bangkok in 2005.

"Dunne and Poonsawat are not much different in style," said Niwat.

"Dunne's only dangerous weapon is the lead left hook but Poonsawat has never been put down in his fighting career, let alone knocked out."

Sakon Nakhon native Poonsawat (38-1 with 27KOs) won the "interim" title in April by stopping Venezuela's Rafael Hernandez in nine rounds in Pathum Thani.

Poonsawat hopes that 29-year-old Dunne will feel the pressure of boxing in front of his own fans.

It will also be the second time the Thai has contested a world title. He was outpointed by WBA bantam champ Wladimir Sidorenko in Germany in 2006. That is the only loss on his record.

"I am ready for the challenge," said hard-punching Poonsawat.

joepenguin

Just seen Kiko has an ibf title eliminator on the 26th september in south africa.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=258662&cat=boxer

His opponent Takalani Ndlovu looks decent and has a far better cv

mark renton

joepenguin wrote: »

Just seen Kiko has an ibf title eliminator on the 26th september in south africa.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=258662&cat=boxer

His opponent Takalani Ndlovu looks decent and has a far better cv

At featherweight too - i wonder will he ever make it back to SBW