dreaded vrt

chiefwiggum

right lads im gonna pay my vrt in the next few weeks and have a question..who or how do they actually decides what your classic is worth,would it be a good time to pay it now as all values have dropped?should you bring it to the office looking as if it hasx been pulled backwards through a ditch or would that matter and can you bring some adverts of similar cars to argue what the current value is if taxman thinks its worth more than it is..bit worried as i cant really get a guide on the vrt calculator on the webite,they say if its not listed than its a standard 36% but is that 36 percent of a lot or of a little in the current climbs...car is 1988 vw mk1 gti cabriolet in case any one is wondering....thanks

Big Nasty

AFAIK you'll have to pay the min fee of €780 anyhow.

245

I think that if you ring Rosslare (and get an answer...) they should be able to quote you a cost. They seem to be the best informed. With any luck you should be able to quote them when you go elsewhere. I don't think that having a dirty car will make any difference. In my experience, the staff either know nothing whatsoever about classic cars and stick with great determination to the middle value (they can quote three values, low, medium or high, depending on condition) or else they're copped on and will know better.

macplaxton

MCMLXXV wrote: »

AFAIK you'll have to pay the min fee of €780 anyhow.

The bare minimum is €720 with no emissions cert. That's 36% of the minimum value €2000. Put me off bringing anything younger than 30 years old*

As to value, they just think of a number. Tried the VRT calculator on the ROS.ie website?

OMSP €7112 = VRT €2275 :eek: (CO2 197g / 32%)




*with the exception of a Reliant three-wheeler as they are VRT'd as motorcycles. :P

Big Nasty

macplaxton wrote: »

The bare minimum is €720 with no emissions cert. That's 36% of the minimum value €2000. Put me off bringing anything younger than 30 years old*

As to value, they just think of a number. Tried the VRT calculator on the ROS.ie website?

OMSP €7112 = VRT €2275 :eek: (CO2 197g / 32%)




*with the exception of a Reliant three-wheeler as they are VRT'd as motorcycles. :P

Sorry, €720.

Where are you getting the OMSP of €7k on an '88 GTI?

And where is the OP getting MKI for an '88 Golf?

245

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Sorry, €720.

Where are you getting the OMSP of €7k on an '88 GTI?

And where is the OP getting MKI for an '88 Golf?

The convertible jumped from MK1 to Mk3 in 1993

Big Nasty

245 wrote: »

The convertible jumped from MK1 to Mk3 in 1993

Aha! Convertible, eh? Missed that bit!

chiefwiggum

max value would be 3500 i'd say

macplaxton

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Where are you getting the OMSP of €7k on an '88 GTI?

Using the lousy drop-down options available on the ROS website. YMMV.

I don't think it's that high, but the system says...

Best phone up a few times and ask different folk. Get a stat code for it.

2cv

chiefwiggum wrote: »

max value would be 3500 i'd say

In my experience, the real value of the car and the value the VRO put on it are two totally unrelated matters... They tend to either heavily over value the car, or heavily under value it... Fingers crossed.

macplaxton

2cv wrote: »

They tend to either heavily over value the car, or heavily under value it... Fingers crossed.

+1. (They also mis-classify them). Then you have to stump up the money and appeal to get some back.

manta mad

im afraid yer gonna get robbed by the revenue :rolleyes:

no matter what ya do !!!!

if you bought the car for 1 euro , they will still charge you the minimum
720 yo,yos:(

how they can get away with it i dont know ?

single european market me a**e !

chiefwiggum

jesus i'd have no problem paying 720 squid at all but as 2 cv says fingers crossed as there is no way of telling if its gonna be double that or even treble..thats what pisses me off and leaves me thinkin of buying a 30+ car and leaving this one in a garage till it hits 30

manta mad

another point to take heed of !!!!!!

every now and again the revenue will red flag a certain make of car .

this means that your make of car will be on the ROL site & then all of a sudden its gone down off it & it comes up as a specail make , & in the vrt office they will say

---

holds on we have to refer your car to rosslare !

which means you will have to pay MORE :mad:

EXAMPLE
opel manta gte was on the site & i got it done for 560 euro .
( yes 560 euros ) thats a year ago now.

now this is what comes up

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Not established - highest VRT rate applied

OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE: €2000
RATE OF TAX: 36%
VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX:
(payable on enquiry date) €720


so in lay mans terms were been SCREWED

chiefwiggum

its head wrecking isn't it? theres no consistancy to it..so you think ringing roslare might br the best bet ..got a number for them?...rang the local office and it was ...sure bring it in and we'll have a look...nope not showing on the system....sure what value have you on your car sir?...like come on its a bit amatuer to say the least.i could bring it in one office and they could for example say 1000 squid and bring it too the next one and they say 125o???????????

macplaxton

manta mad wrote: »

EXAMPLE
opel manta gte was on the site & i got it done for 560 euro .
( yes 560 euros ) thats a year ago now.

now this is what comes up

---

Not established - highest VRT rate applied

OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE: €2000
RATE OF TAX: 36%
VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX:
(payable on enquiry date) €720

Calm down dear. It's just the rule changes. I agree it's a total humping

Pre July 2008. It there was three percentage bands (something like 22.5% - 30% OMSP). The minimum VRT applied was €315

Post July 2008. There's something like 6/7 bands ranging from 13.5% to 36%. Based on emissions. No proof of emissions (pretty much anything over 10 years old) and it's top rate 36%. There is no minimum VRT applied now, but there is a minimum value to anything of €2000

I don't think it's been "flagged up" as you suggest, but I do think that these two registrations were done either side of the 1st July 2008.

Give us the dates they were done....

2cv

manta mad wrote: »

im afraid yer gonna get robbed by the revenue :rolleyes:

no matter what ya do !!!!

if you bought the car for 1 euro , they will still charge you the minimum
720 yo,yos:(

how they can get away with it i dont know ?

single european market me a**e !

There's also the small matter of VRT being illegal.. Ireland has already been told off by the european commission, but they continue to defy them.

manta mad

macplaxton wrote: »

Calm down dear. It's just the rule changes. I agree it's a total humping

Pre July 2008. It there was three percentage bands (something like 22.5% - 30% OMSP). The minimum VRT applied was €315

Post July 2008. There's something like 6/7 bands ranging from 13.5% to 36%. Based on emissions. No proof of emissions (pretty much anything over 10 years old) and it's top rate 36%. There is no minimum VRT applied now, but there is a minimum value to anything of €2000

I don't think it's been "flagged up" as you suggest, but I do think that these two registrations were done either side of the 1st July 2008.

Give us the dates they were done....

CALM DOWN !!!!!!!!!

i am calm dearie :rolleyes:

this is why were been screwed by this goverment ,calm down ,it,ll be all right ,sure we,ll wait and do something about it later , ect, ect

we are to calm & to quite , all we do is give out & not do anything about it !

as 2cv said , Ireland has already been told off by the european commission, but they continue to defy them.

2cv

manta mad wrote: »

we are to calm & to quite , all we do is give out & not do anything about it !

as 2cv said , Ireland has already been told off by the european commission, but they continue to defy them.

I agree here... The irish complain, and then give in
If this were France, the whole country would be on strike (well basically any excuse will do in France to go on strike, this would just be a REALLY good one)

chiefwiggum

lads i know the whole debate as i had a thread closed doen by a mod for dicussing vrt so lets all calm down and agree that its f**ing daylight robbery but we cant do anything about it...for the time being at least..i think im gonna have to bite the bullet and ring roslare but thanks for all the info....

chiefwiggum

just spoke to a very helpful chap(unusual i know) in my local office and he understood the problem..so hes gonna ring head office after taking every detail possible in a friendly and polite manner(again unusual i know) and get back to me monday with a price for vrt on my exact model..fingers crossed

macplaxton

Can you just answer one thing Manta Mad, if you're calm.

Was one vehicle cleared before 1st July 2008?

manta mad

will get back to you on that one

have to locate me paperwork for that one !!!!!!!!

chiefwiggum

vrt office rang today...vrt due is 810 euro...not bad me thinks

245

chiefwiggum wrote: »

vrt office rang today...vrt due is 810 euro...not bad me thinks

Could be a hell of a lot worse - pay it quick before they reclassify the car!

chiefwiggum

yep im thinking the same as you 245

chiefwiggum

when you go into change the plates do you have to take what your given or can you choose what reg to get as long as it is available?

chiefwiggum

when you re reg can you pick your reg if available or do u have to take what youre given?