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Casement V Tilt & Turn?

  • 15-07-2009 4:09pm
    #1
    castleview
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭


    Hi,

    We are currently trying do finalise details with our window manufacturer. We originally got quotation off them for Tilt & Turn, however he tells me that they can do Casement for a good bit less. Overall there is about 100m2 of glazing in the house so the reduction in cost would be a big help.

    What are the advantages of Tilt & Turn over Casement type (besides they turn in so ease of cleaning)??

    Many Thanks,

    Castleview


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  • #2
    muffler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,717 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    One of the obvious things you need to watch out for in relation to the tilt and turn type is that they are fully compliant with Part B of the building regs.


  • #3
    Nick Elsulphide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20 ✭Nick Elsulphide


    muffler wrote: »
    One of the obvious things you need to watch out for in relation to the tilt and turn type is that they are fully compliant with Part B of the building regs.

    ?
    The same logic applies to any window that is intended to have an escape function.
    What have you observed in a tilt and turn window that makes you think it is any less likely to function as an escape window then a casment window ?


  • #4
    Nick Elsulphide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20 ✭Nick Elsulphide


    castleview wrote: »
    Hi,

    We are currently trying do finalise details with our window manufacturer. We originally got quotation off them for Tilt & Turn, however he tells me that they can do Casement for a good bit less. Overall there is about 100m2 of glazing in the house so the reduction in cost would be a big help.

    What are the advantages of Tilt & Turn over Casement type (besides they turn in so ease of cleaning)??

    Many Thanks,

    Castleview

    As the hinges and locks are not visible from the exterior on tilt and turn windows they can be more secure. It might sound counter-intuitive but they can also be more resistant to water ingress then casements. Due to the ironmongery you can also get bigger (and heavier) sashes then with casements.


  • #5
    muffler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,717 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Nick Elsulphide wrote: »
    The same logic applies to any window that is intended to have an escape function.
    True but that wasnt your question.
    Nick Elsulphide wrote: »
    What have you observed in a tilt and turn window that makes you think it is any less likely to function as an escape window then a casment window ?
    The tilt and turn invariably results in the movement of the entire window in most cases. Depending on its design and size particularly the height I'd be careful with the requirement that it be located min. 800mm from floor. and then with the height of the opening required for escape purposes.

    With a casement window a transom can be used to good effect but not to the same degree in tilt & turn windows unless they are fairly high.


  • #6
    castleview
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭castleview


    Cheers Nick & Muffler. I am waiting for manufacturer to get back with the cost difference, if significantly lower will probably go with the casement. Will make sure all are fully compliant, whichever option. Thanks for replies


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  • #7
    murphyep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭murphyep


    I have also been told by some window manufacturers that to get A-rated window, I will have to use casement. Tilt and turn will not achieve an A rating.

    Is this correct?

    Eddie


  • #8
    Juantorena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Juantorena


    castleview wrote: »
    Hi,

    We are currently trying do finalise details with our window manufacturer. We originally got quotation off them for Tilt & Turn, however he tells me that they can do Casement for a good bit less. Overall there is about 100m2 of glazing in the house so the reduction in cost would be a big help.

    What are the advantages of Tilt & Turn over Casement type (besides they turn in so ease of cleaning)??

    Many Thanks,

    Castleview

    One other thing to keep in mind is possibly fixing some of the units - i.e. not opening at all. This will probably depend on your build/detailing methods, air-tightness philosophy, etc. but there will be some saving going down that route in my experience.


  • #9
    blindman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 203 ✭✭blindman


    One thing rarely thought of at this stage is that tilt and turn create difficulties for blind fitting, which the women will most likely want to fit later on.
    Many window companies will tell you that there is no prob fitting blinds to their windows, they haven't got a clue. Visit any blind shop and they will confirm what I am saying.
    Blinds and tilt and turn can happily cooexist if there is about 2 1/2 inches between the hinge and the plastered reveal, this is rarely done as the priority is usually to let in the maximum amount of light. 95% of the time I find it necessary to reach compromise between blind function and window function with these windows. Worst of all are windows that are part in-opening, sometmes requiring 3 or 4 blinds/window.


  • #10
    Nick Elsulphide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20 ✭Nick Elsulphide


    muffler wrote: »
    True but that wasnt your question.

    Clearly it wasn't
    The tilt and turn invariably results in the movement of the entire window in most cases. Depending on its design and size particularly the height I'd be careful with the requirement that it be located min. 800mm from floor. and then with the height of the opening required for escape purposes.

    With a casement window a transom can be used to good effect but not to the same degree in tilt & turn windows unless they are fairly high.
    Non sequitur.
    Your waffling applies equally to a casement or a tilt and turn window.


  • #11
    Nick Elsulphide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20 ✭Nick Elsulphide


    murphyep wrote: »
    I have also been told by some window manufacturers that to get A-rated window, I will have to use casement. Tilt and turn will not achieve an A rating.

    Is this correct?

    Eddie

    No.

    Bear in mind that the BFRC classification is not a particularly sophisticated analysis. It was specifically designed to allow consumers to make a reasonably informed judgement for replacement windows. It is of limited value when designing a new building. Despite loud initial reservations the scheme has become popular with window manufactuers once they realised how easy it was to get an A rating.


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  • #12
    blindman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 203 ✭✭blindman


    I'm a blind and curtain fitter for 15 years. fitting blinds on t&t windows is almost always a matter of compromise, sometimes affecting choice of blind for entire house. Fitting the blind to the sash usualy limits full opening of window, could cause difficulty using window as fire escape. Blinds on t&t windows are damaged more often than on regular windows.
    I recently saw sash windows that tilted for cleaning, I thought they were great. Customer wasn't home at time of fitting so no idea who the supplier was.


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