UFC & Steroid Use

Turbo_diesel

just wondering how often the fighters are tested? Do people think use is common in the UFC? Considering most American sports steroid abuse is rampant & athletes are not as strenuously tested as they should be. The bans handed out are also too lenient to prevent athletes from cheating. Do people think this is also the case in the UFC? I would like to think that the top fighters are not on anything.:(

Size=everything

Turbo_diesel wrote: »

After Brocks outburst the other night just wondering how often the fighters are tested? Do people think use is common in the UFC? Considering most American sports steroid abuse is rampant & athletes are not as strenuously tested as they should be. The bans handed out are also too lenient to prevent athletes from cheating. Do people think this is also the case in the UFC? I would like to think that the top fighters are not on anything.:(

Steroids no... Growth Hormone, IGF and Insulin yes. Plenty of UFC fighters have been caught using steroids though.

rovert

Turbo_diesel wrote: »

Im just wondering how often the fighters are tested?

It depends for title fights; featured fighters they get tested each show they are on pretty much. For other fighters it is at random. Fighters who have failed before (Josh Barnett or Sean Sherk for example) get tested more often those who don’t.

Turbo_diesel wrote: »

Do people think use is common in the UFC? Considering most American sports steroid abuse is rampant & athletes are not as strenuously tested as they should be. The bans handed out are also too lenient to prevent athletes from cheating. Do people think this is also the case in the UFC? I would like to think that the top fighters are not on anything.

It would be totally naive to say no but the rules of the forum would preclude speculation. Top fighters are the ones who can naturally more afford the least detectable forms of performance enhancing drugs than guys lower on the card.

calex71

How random are we talking when it comes to the random tests? Are they told in advance or is it a case of ''here P into that'' right after a fight

Also something I ment to take up here but it slipped my mind, I recall after a fight recently but cant remember who it was sorry , but the guy in question said that he had gotten into trouble for going for a run after a fight? was that something liked to substance or was it for other reasons like being hit in the head for 15 minutes?

rovert

calex71 wrote: »

How random are we talking when it comes to the random tests? Are they told in advance or is it a case of ''here P into that'' right after a fight ?

Random as the tester selects them at random at the fight card. Fighters know that they have chance of being tested if they appear on a fight card. Drug tests of this nature are often referred to as IQ tests as the fighter know the date of when they might tested as all they need to do is make sure that their body does not contain detectable traces of banned substances.

Out of competition testing has begun in Nevada so fighters are being tested months away from fights.

calex71 wrote: »

Also something I ment to take up here but it slipped my mind, I recall after a fight recently but cant remember who it was sorry , but the guy in question said that he had gotten into trouble for going for a run after a fight? was that something liked to substance or was it for other reasons like being hit in the head for 15 minutes?

Sean Sherk at UFC 98 and why he left is open to speculation.

http://urdirt.com/2009/05/28/sean-sherk-believes-run-out-of-ufc-98-got-him-a-45-day-suspension/

dunkamania

I edited the first post.

Remember Charter Rule 8

No unfounded allegations against fighters, particularly in regard to steroid use. If you want to accuse them make sure you have a bulletproof source or you will be banned.

Mellor

rovert wrote: »

Random as the tester selects them at random at the fight card. Fighters know that they have chance of being tested if they appear on a fight card. Drug tests of this nature are often referred to as IQ tests as the fighter know the date of when they might tested as all they need to do is make sure that their body does not contain detectable traces of banned substances.

Out of competition testing has begun in Nevada so fighters are being tested months away from fights.



Sean Sherk at UFC 98 and why he left is open to speculation.

http://urdirt.com/2009/05/28/sean-sherk-believes-run-out-of-ufc-98-got-him-a-45-day-suspension/

How would the run have anything to do with steriods?
He was banned for not seeing the doctor (commission rules after all)

His steriod ban was at 73

rovert

Mellor wrote: »

How would the run have anything to do with steriods?
He was banned for not seeing the doctor (commission rules after all)

His previous drug test failure makes him a high risk candidate for further cheating and you can do a lot on a "run."

arybvtcw0eolkf

rovert wrote: »

you can do a lot on a "run."

Like what?.

rovert

Miguel Tall Squad wrote: »

Like what?.

Anything. He could try to take an agent which could alter his test result or flush out whatever what was in his system or even attach a piss bag to his leg in the interim. There is a reason why the commission want to test people directly after fights.

Afaik you can understand the suspension as he is high risk. As for him going on a run I think it was just to think some way around it.

rovert

13 of the 22 competitors at UFC 100 underwent drug testing following their performances in the Octagon, and all test results came back clean, according to Nevada State Athletic Commission officials on Friday.

The event, which saw Brock Lesnar become the Undisputed UFC Heavyweight Champion and Georges St. Pierre retain his Welterweight Title, was an all arround success for the UFC, despite the mini-controversies that have stormed up due to Dan Henderson's knockout of Michael Bisping and Brock Lesnar's post fight antics.

The 13 fighters tested on the event were Brock Lesnar, Frank Mir, Georges St. Pierre, Thiago Alves, Shannon Gugerty, Jon Fitch, Dan Henderson, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Mark Coleman, Tom Lawlor, Jon Jones, Dong Hyun Kim and Jim Miller. They were all tested for performance enhancers and drugs of abuse.

Red Sleeping Beauty

rovert wrote: »

Anything. He could try to take an agent which could alter his test result or flush out whatever what was in his system or even attach a piss bag to his leg in the interim. There is a reason why the commission want to test people directly after fights.

Ever see Witnail and I ?

Seriously though, if you've more info then please do spill. How could you flush something out of your body that could help you win a fight so that you'll pass a drug test ?

If it was that easy then all the drink drivers could just go for a quick run!

Nothingcompares

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Ever see Witnail and I ?

Seriously though, if you've more info then please do spill. How could you flush something out of your body that could help you win a fight so that you'll pass a drug test ?

If it was that easy then all the drink drivers could just go for a quick run!

I am certainly not the boards.ie expert on Steroid use and abuse in professional sports but the general idea is that

A fighter may train using steroids 6 months from a fight, cease using them X amount of weeks away from the fight and then using the correct masking substances may not test positive on the day after/before the fight itself.

Fighters aren't juicing in the locker room before they go out to perform. It's a calculated, informed method of cheating.

I've heard the argument that the fighters that do get caught (Gracie, Sherk) either took risks with regards to when to 'cycle off' (Sherk(allegedly))or just messed up due to misinformation (Graice).

Cynics would lead you to believe the majority of drug cheaters never get caught. There is (AFAIK) no random testing or testing during "off season".

Red Sleeping Beauty

Good post. Surely Sherk couldn't have been stupid enough to use roids of any kind after having been caught ? Although after just a quick read up of the first suspension then I suppose there's more to it. Well there's gotta be a truth there somewhere... either the doctor was late in getting to him and he decided to go for a run or , well yeah he bolted and used some "masking" substance.


Em if there's one thing you see popping up everytime someone, anyone in any sport test positive for a banned substance, is the excuse "ah it was for an old injury and I thought it'd be out of the system". Would they not think to get a test done before just to make sure ? or perhaps declare that they're on a banned substance for an injury or whatever before the fight ? I suppose that excuse/reason is just used for masking or to safe face in some situations.

rovert

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Ever see Witnail and I ?

Seriously though, if you've more info then please do spill. How could you flush something out of your body that could help you win a fight so that you'll pass a drug test ?

If it was that easy then all the drink drivers could just go for a quick run!

Again there is a reason why a tester wants to test on the spot.

There is a whole industry selling stuff to help pass tests.