Are irish and europeans considered rather than non Eu people for jobs at this time?

decembersun77

A good friend of mine has been unemployed since march. He is from india he is very intelligent with good qualifications and experience. He has been applying to anything and everything since he became unemployed. He must of send 400 CVs at this stage. I really and truly dont understand it I know there is a recession I know everyone has been effected in one way or another but i am beginning to wonder now are irish and europeans considered first for jobs and non europeans out of the question because of the pressure on the welfare system or what ever other reasons. If that is the case that is really unfair a person should be judged by their qualifications and experience or their ability to do the job.My friend is a really nice guy and a gentleman if there ever was one. Is there anyone else in this situation and really struggling or anyone who is non european would you drop me a line

by the way my friend is a student here on student status and allowed to work part time 20 hrs a week.

Eoin

I think you probably got a few answers in your original thread about your friend, though I don't know if you mentioned he can only work part time.

I don't know if this could be a factor, but Indians have a reputation for exaggerating quite a lot on their CVs in the IT sector. I've seen it first hand on many occasions, and plenty of my colleagues have as well. Unfortunately it can make you think twice when you get a CV in the door. This might sound very un-PC, but I think it's a reality.

decembersun77

eoin wrote: »

I don't know if this could be a factor, but Indians have a reputation for exaggerating quite a lot on their CVs in the IT sector. I've seen it first hand on many occasions, and plenty of my colleagues have as well. Unfortunately it can make you think twice when you get a CV in the door. This might sound very un-PC, but I think it's a reality.

Well, Eoin that is not fair not all indians are liars. Anyone is capable of lieing no matter what their race is. who has not told a lie in their life before and all people are capable of lieing in their CV. thats like saying all irish people are drunkards because I have seen alot of them drinking many times. its like saying all nigerians are scamers because you hear alot of stories about them. Reality is each person is an individual. if you think they are liars then that is really sad that you judge people of different races.

Eoin

Hang on a second there, do NOT put words in my mouth.

I said they have a reputation for it, which can taint the image of the majority who don't do it.

Have you worked in IT? Have you vetted CV's from different nationalities? Have you outsourced work to Indian companies/freelancers? I have. And in my experience - and also going by colleagues of mine over the last 12 years - there are a lot of Indian people who lie, not even "exaggerate", on their CV.

This is not to say that they all do it, or even that the majority do it. But it happens enough for people to be more cynical when it comes to vetting CVs from Indian people.

if you think they are liars then that is really sad that you judge people of different races.

Cop on, it should be quite obvious that's not what I was saying.

decembersun77

eoin wrote: »

Hang on a second there, do NOT put words in my mouth.

I said they have a reputation for it, which can taint the image of the majority who don't do it.

Have you worked in IT? Have you vetted CV's from different nationalities? Have you outsourced work to Indian companies/freelancers? I have. And in my experience - and also going by colleagues of mine over the last 12 years - there are a lot of Indian people who lie, not even "exaggerate", on their CV.

This is not to say that they all do it, or even that the majority do it. But it happens enough for people to be more cynical when it comes to vetting CVs from Indian people.



Cop on, it should be quite obvious that's not what I was saying.

Well Eoin anyone is capable of lieing not just people of a certain race and each and everyones CV should be looked in to thoroughly regardless of what the race of the person is. Why do you make such a big thing out of someone lieing in a CV like its a crime against humanity with your line ''you and your colleagues have experienced it first hand'' did it really disturbe you that much as if are dealing with forensic crime scence or something.

Eoin

Ah, grow up will you. I'm not going to continue this stupid argument.

decembersun77

your not growen up you have alot to learn. You should learn how to use your head more instead of being narrow minded and using with the minds of others to form your opinions and your reality which is not true to yourself. Its called thinking

Eoin

Thanks for the life lesson. I feel all growen up already.

greendom

eoin wrote: »

I think you probably got a few answers in your original thread about your friend, though I don't know if you mentioned he can only work part time.

I don't know if this could be a factor, but Indians have a reputation for exaggerating quite a lot on their CVs in the IT sector. I've seen it first hand on many occasions, and plenty of my colleagues have as well. Unfortunately it can make you think twice when you get a CV in the door. This might sound very un-PC, but I think it's a reality.

That's balderdash, utter tripe

Eoin

Unfortunately that has been my experience, and the experience of several colleagues of mine. Honestly, you should see some of the 12 page CV's I received last year.

Edit - in case it needs clarification for the overly sensitive, I have had the pleasure of working with extremely talented Indian people, some of them were as good as anyone I've worked with. But from the CV's I have seen, and that people I've worked with who were vetting CV's and conducting the interviewers, there have been a lot of people who have put down absolute crap on their CV and haven't been able to back up any of it in a call or interview.

Terodil

decembersun77 wrote: »

your not growen up you have alot to learn. You should learn how to use your head more instead of being narrow minded and using with the minds of others to form your opinions and your reality which is not true to yourself. Its called thinking

Oh dear... my head hurts after reading your posts.

Anyway, while I have observed a general increase of 'CV BS' over the last few years, I will agree that, unfortunately, Indian (and American, btw) CVs have to be taken at an even higher discount than your usual run-of-the-mill European CV.

This is not even racist, it's a cultural particularity that everybody who has staff responsibility had best be aware of.

Edit/PS: I'm in IT too. I've been involved in setting up several test centers in India with 100+ people.

experiMental

The OP has a point, if a large group of citizens of a particular country are continuously lying on their CV's to get a job in another country, then something should definitely be done about this. I do not suggest starting a war.

However, preventing Indian applicants from applying to IT positions in Ireland should make India more proactive towards screening its jobseekers who want to work abroad and launch a strategy to improve its own workforce.

decembersun77

Well Idon't know anymore. What is it going to take for some decent honest person to get a job, are they looking for Jesus Christ or superman even Jesus wouldn't be good enough for them. This country is serious about stupid things and stupid about serious things

mrpink6789

I think there is an underlying hint of racism in Irish People now, it's unfortunate but everyone's doing it unfortunately "the difference is we're Irish" comes ot mind.
However the student visa only allowing him/her to work part time could be a big issue as well. Even if someone is hire don a part time status there is always an option to work more hours in case people call in sick etc. Legally your friend cannot do that so employers might not want to go down that route just in case.
I don't think Eoin above was being racist at all. I work in It Recruitment myself and I know what he is getitng at.

rainbowtrout

decembersun77 wrote: »

Well Idon't know anymore. What is it going to take for some decent honest person to get a job, are they looking for Jesus Christ or superman even Jesus wouldn't be good enough for them. This country is serious about stupid things and stupid about serious things

Well there's half a million people out of work, it's not exactly easy for anyone to get a job. A friend of mine got a job yesterday, she's got a degree, plenty of experience but had been out of work since September. She had sent her CV everywhere, applied for every job she saw and this was her first bit of luck. She's Irish, so it's not like it's just affecting foreign workers.

zebrafumbler

"If that is the case that is really unfair a person should be judged by their qualifications and experience or their ability to do the job.My friend is a really nice guy"

Thats the kind of attitude and mentality thats destroying the west. That is definately not the way it should be. If an Irish person with similar qualifications applies for the same job as a foreigner, they should be given the job. This is Ireland, why should an Irish person potentially have to emmigrate when theres work here for them. Irish first and whatever's left goes to foreign nationals.

decembersun77

well i even get racism well u couldn't call it racism cuz im irish myself maybe its indifference because im not like the majority of irish people like i dont go out much and i dont drink im not in to GAA its simply because those things dont interest me and I dont enjoy them. im not typically like most irish people

decembersun77

well zebra, that is discrimination you wouldn't get that kind of attitude in the UK or US. Why do they advertise for anybody in general for the job if they only have that attitude that they are only looking for irish doesn't matter about anything else. That is really ignorant. If was an employer I would want a person with the best ability to do the job regardless if they are from mars or wherever. That is the bottom line you are missing the point.

hobochris

To put things another way, lets say given the recession and everything, an Irish employer has 12 C.V's:
10 from Irish IT grads with a few years experience each under there belts
and,
2 from Indian IT grads with a few years experience under there belts.

Now the Indian IT grads need visa's which add a little more complication to things(tax complications, dealing with visa's etc..).

Also the Irish grads come from colleges the Irish employer is more likely to have heard of and may know whats on the courses. The Irish employer has to chase down the Indian colleges to look up the courses which may be more tricky than in Ireland.The same may apply for references from previous employment.

Also the Irish employer has to think of how well the new hires may fit in with the existing staff Irish staff obviously have the advantage of sharing local culture(as would many other Europeans who's cultures are similar) and fit into a team better. The Indians however may not be fully fluent in English and there would be cultural differences.

Also the Irish employer may have a preference towards an Irish employee as they may suspect that the Indian applicants may be sending his pay home, which does no favor's for the local economy where as employing Irish is more likely to keep the money flowing within the country which is needed in a recession, and in the case of European, if the money doesn't stay in Ireland at least it will more then likely stay in Europe.

Also as Eoin said above, in his experience a higher percentages of Indian Cv's have been found to be creative with the facts.

That's just a few reasons I can think of that may or may not have relevance to an employers choices in candidate selection. The above would apply to any other non EU nationality.

P.S: the above is not intended as discrimination, its just how I would imagine things are, Why go out of your way with teh hastle of hiring a non EU worker when its easier to hire any of the readily available and qualified locals.