Rules Question

shamco

When playing the second hole on Saturday in a singles strokeplay competition I thinnned a shot out of a green side bunker. It looked like in was going to hit one of the other players trolley but before that could happen he pushed it away to avoid the collision. What is the ruling?. I know there is no penalty for the player that hit the shot if it hit the trolley (I didn't realise there is an option to replay the shot if you so choose).

The question is. Should the player that pushed the trolley away while the ball was in motion be penalised?.

Screed

No I dont think he should, What is the rule he broke or you think he broke?

PhilipMarlowe

Lol no.... so if a ball is coming straight for you, you are supposed to 'man up' and let it hit you? There is no penalty for avoiding something like that.
Also, you say you had the option to replay the shot (were it to hit him or his trolley) but this is only the case in matchplay... in strokeplay it's a rub of the green and you play it as it lies.

shamco

Licksy wrote: »

Lol no.... so if a ball is coming straight for you, you are supposed to 'man up' and let it hit you? There is no penalty for avoiding something like that.
Also, you say you had the option to replay the shot (were it to hit him or his trolley) but this is only the case in matchplay... in strokeplay it's a rub of the green and you play it as it lies.

Yes but in a fourball competition if you strike your partners trolley it's a penalty so you are supposed to "man up" as you say in that case

PhilipMarlowe

I don't understand. You see something happening that will result in a penalty. You can avoid this by moving. You move. What is the issue?

shamco

Licksy wrote: »

I don't understand. You see something happening that will result in a penalty. You can avoid this by moving. You move. What is the issue?

What about when a ball in going to hit the flag which was left on the green behind the hole and a players ball is about to hit it. You are not allowed to move the flag while the ball is in motion to avoid the penalty.
That's my question does the same rule apply through the green

PhilipMarlowe

Decision 17-1/6
Attended Flagstick Placed on Ground Subsequently Lifted
[size=+1]Q. - [/size] While a ball is in motion after a stroke, the person attending the flagstick removes it and places it on the ground. He then realizes the ball might strike the flagstick, so he picks it up. What is the ruling?

[size=+1]A. - [/size] There is no penalty. A flagstick that is attended, removed, or held up may be moved by anyone even if doing so could influence the movement of a ball in motion (Rule 24-1). (Revised)

shamco

Licksy wrote: »

Decision 17-1/6
Attended Flagstick Placed on Ground Subsequently Lifted
[SIZE=+1]Q. - [/SIZE]While a ball is in motion after a stroke, the person attending the flagstick removes it and places it on the ground. He then realizes the ball might strike the flagstick, so he picks it up. What is the ruling?

[SIZE=+1]A. - [/SIZE]There is no penalty. A flagstick that is attended, removed, or held up may be moved by anyone even if doing so could influence the movement of a ball in motion (Rule 24-1). (Revised)

Thanks I think that clears that up

PhilipMarlowe

Yes, the key line is in Rule 24-1 (about obstructions).
"When a ball is in motion, an obstruction that might influence the movement of the ball, other than equipment of any player or the flagstick when attended, removed or held up, must not be moved."

Matt Santos

Another Rules Question................

Last Saturday in a Society round I was playing a relatively short Par 5. I had hit my drive and was 200ish from the green. I am playing with two others and we are behind another three ball. Both of my playing partners hit their respective shots short of the green. The three ball in front are still on the green putting out. I decide (without really thinking it through!) to hit my second. I absolutely cream my rescue club and it carries to the green, bounces very well, bounds up the green and hits the flag that is lying on the green!! It obviously stops and without doubt is closer to the hole than it would have been.
What are my choices?
1. Hit the shot again. What penalty if any?
2. Allow my playing partners to place the ball where they think it would have finished. What penalty if any?
3. Play the ball as it lies with either a penalty or call it the rub of the green?

I can say that I was having a mare of a round so I was not in contention at the time that this occured.

Matt

ozymandias10

Matt Santos wrote: »

Another Rules Question................

Last Saturday in a Society round I was playing a relatively short Par 5. I had hit my drive and was 200ish from the green. I am playing with two others and we are behind another three ball. Both of my playing partners hit their respective shots short of the green. The three ball in front are still on the green putting out. I decide (without really thinking it through!) to hit my second. I absolutely cream my rescue club and it carries to the green, bounces very well, bounds up the green and hits the flag that is lying on the green!! It obviously stops and without doubt is closer to the hole than it would have been.
What are my choices?
1. Hit the shot again. What penalty if any?
2. Allow my playing partners to place the ball where they think it would have finished. What penalty if any?
3. Play the ball as it lies with either a penalty or call it the rub of the green?

I can say that I was having a mare of a round so I was not in contention at the time that this occured.

Matt

first choice shout fore and apologise for playing when the green isn't clear.
I can tell you the flagstick would be the least of your worries if you hit a ball down on top of me....what were ya thinking...if someone is holding you then talk to them

Matt Santos

ozymandias10 wrote: »

first choice shout fore and apologise for playing when the green isn't clear.
I can tell you the flagstick would be the least of your worries if you hit a ball down on top of me....what were ya thinking...if someone is holding you then talk to them

Maybe it didn't come through with my explanation but I really creamed the shot and didn't think I would get home! I also said that I was having a terrible round and the head was not where it should be. I did shout "fore" but knowing my game I knew the three ball were in no danger as my ball was gonna drop and land at least twenty yards short of them.
I admit it was not the best golf decision I have ever made but the question remains....

PhilipMarlowe

No penalty and play it as it lies.

PhilipMarlowe

Oh and I hope you got the eagle!

PhilipMarlowe

Decision 17-3/3
Q. Generally, the player's ball must not strike the flagstick when removed from the hole (Rule 17-3). What is the ruling in the following situations:
(a) A player putts too strongly and his ball strikes the flagstick which has been removed by someone in his match or group and placed on the ground behind the hole.
(b) A player plays his second shot to the green and the ball strikes the flagstick, which had been blown down by the wind and was lying on the ground.
(c) A player, not believing he can reach the green which is occupied by the preceding match or group, plays his second shot at a par-5 hole and the ball rolls onto the green and strikes the flagstick which has been removed from the hole and placed on the ground by someone in the preceding match or group.

A. a) The player incurs a penalty of loss of hole in match play or two strokes in stroke play under Rule 17-3a.
(b)&(c)No penalty is incurred. Rule 17-3a is not applicable in either case. It applies only when the flagstick has been removed with the player's authority or prior knowledge by someone in the player's match or group.

Matt Santos

Licksy wrote: »

Decision 17-3/3
Q. Generally, the player's ball must not strike the flagstick when removed from the hole (Rule 17-3). What is the ruling in the following situations:
(a) A player putts too strongly and his ball strikes the flagstick which has been removed by someone in his match or group and placed on the ground behind the hole.
(b) A player plays his second shot to the green and the ball strikes the flagstick, which had been blown down by the wind and was lying on the ground.
(c) A player, not believing he can reach the green which is occupied by the preceding match or group, plays his second shot at a par-5 hole and the ball rolls onto the green and strikes the flagstick which has been removed from the hole and placed on the ground by someone in the preceding match or group.

A. a) The player incurs a penalty of loss of hole in match play or two strokes in stroke play under Rule 17-3a.
(b)&(c)No penalty is incurred. Rule 17-3a is not applicable in either case. It applies only when the flagstick has been removed with the player's authority or prior knowledge by someone in the player's match or group.

Wow. Again Licksy thanks for the information.. My gut said that it was not a penalty but the doubt always kills it. Well it does for me anyway!! I played from where it lay and lipped the eagle putt and tapped in for birdie. It made no difference to a dire card anyway..