Updated info on how Tom Tom app with HW will work

copacetic

Haven't seen this mentioned yet, info here:

http://www.macworld.com/article/141539/2009/07/tomtomiphoneupdate.html

Interesting that cradle has it's own gps, not sure on the use of an audio output jack. It might imply there won't be a radio mute to go with it which would be pretty average.

TomTom for iPhone en route

Posted on Jul 6, 2009 6:00 pm by Dan Frakes, Macworld.com

Among the third-party products demonstrated during June’s WWDC keynote, the one that may have generated the most anticipation was TomTom’s TomTom for iPhone. This combination of an iPhone app providing turn-by-turn driving directions and a hardware accessory, the Car Kit for iPhone, that enhances the app will enable the iPhone to take the place of a standalone GPS unit for many users. Unfortunately, TomTom CTO Peter-Frans Pauwels didn’t provide many details during that demonstration other than to say that TomTom for iPhone would be available “later this summer.”

Macworld recently had a chance to talk with with Tom Murray, Vice President of Market Development for TomTom, and while the company hasn’t yet announced a release date or final pricing information, Murray was able to expand on some of the information presented at WWDC. (You can see a video teaser of TomTom for iPhone on YouTube.)
iPhone challenges

While other vendors have announced, and in some cases already released, navigation apps for the iPhone (AT&T’s Navigator and Sygic’s Mobile Maps are a couple of the latter), Murray noted that TomTom for iPhone is unique because it’s a two-part solution. By combining software and hardware, the company says it can provide an experience that’s much more comparable to that of a standalone navigation unit than an app on its own.

According to Murray, the biggest challenge presented by an iPhone-based navigation solution is that dedicated navigation devices have better GPS reception than an unassisted iPhone. In addition, the iPhone doesn’t include any of the special technologies TomTom implements in its own navigation units; for example, gyroscopes and other hardware that allow a unit to better approximate its position when it loses the GPS signal in, say, a tunnel. The size of the iPhone is also an issue—4.3-inch screens are becoming the standard for standalone devices, while the iPhone’s screen is only 3.5 inches in size. And few iPhone owners have car mounts for positioning the phone safely while driving.

There are also logistical issues. For example, because the iPhone doesn’t support background processes, any navigation app must shut down during phone calls, making real-time tracking difficult—something that doesn’t happen on a dedicated GPS unit, even one that includes telephony features. And while the iPhone offers far more space for data storage than do most GPS units, the company recognizes that iPhone owners will want to use much of that space for apps and media, so navigation apps need to avoid abusing the opportunity.

Car Kit not required, but recommended

iPhone owners will be able to purchase and use the TomTom software and maps without the Car Kit hardware accessory; however, the Car Kit for iPhone was designed to enhance the software by addressing several of the limitations mentioned above. For starters, the Car Kit includes a separate GPS receiver that performs better than the one built into the iPhone; Murray said this receiver is closer to what you’d find in a dedicated GPS unit. The TomTom app uses this receiver when your iPhone is docked in the Car Kit, allowing for improved real-time navigation, especially in cities with large buildings or in locations with lots of trees or other natural obstacles. The Car Kit also includes a built-in speaker that provides better audio quality and considerably louder output, making it easier to hear spoken directions.

The Car Kit is also a car mount for placing your iPhone in a safe location for driving. The unit includes the same EasyPort mount as TomTom’s recent standalone GPS units, letting you adjust the cradle’s angle, rotation, and relative position (you can position the cradle sitting on or hanging from the mount). The mount locks in place when in use, and folds flat for easier storage. The Kit's power cable plugs into your car’s accessory jack or any USB power source and charges your iPhone while docked.

Finally, the Car Kit includes several additional audio features. For example, it includes a 1/8-inch audio-output jack for connecting the iPhone and Car Kit to any car stereo with an auxiliary-input jack; this lets you listen to both navigation directions and iPhone audio—including music—through your car stereo. You also get a microphone that lets you use the Car Kit as a Bluetooth speakerphone. (Yes, even though the iPhone physically connects to the Car Kit, it uses a Bluetooth connection for phone calls.)

We asked TomTom how the company will promote the TomTom for iPhone package, given that the software and hardware will necessarily be sold and distributed separately—the app through the App Store, the hardware through other outlets. The company says it intends to sell each separately, as well to bundle the two, but that making people aware of the hardware if they purchase the software first will be the biggest challenge.
TomTom features, iPhone UI

While the iPhone’s hardware can’t match that of a standalone GPS unit, Murray noted that TomTom is taking advantage of the iPhone’s own unique features to enhance the app. For example, unlike TomTom’s dedicated GPS devices, the TomTom app’s interface has portrait and landscape modes depending, of course, on how the phone is oriented. You can also use the iPhone’s multi-touch gestures—tap, swipe, pinch, and zoom—to navigate the interface and zoom in and out of maps. You’ll also be able to access your iPhone contacts from within the TomTom app, letting you quickly choose a destination or starting point from a contact’s information. (Integration with other apps has not yet been announced.)

Mapping and navigation will apparently work much as they do on the company’s standalone units, with a similar interface, most of the same core features, and similar voice-guided navigation. The app will include TomTom’s IQ Routes feature, which takes advantage of other TomTom GPS owners’ driving experiences to determine the actual speeds driven on particular routes at particular times of day. Murray said the “trillions of bits of data” lets IQ Routes provide accurate information about historical drive-speed norms, generating more accurate drive times and letting the software choose the actual fastest route, which may not be the same as the shortest route.

One feature Murray couldn’t yet confirm or deny is Map Share, which lets users make route corrections—for example, road closures or incorrect street information—on their devices and then sync those changes with TomTom’s servers to share them with other users.

(When asked which TomTom GPS unit the iPhone will most-closely compare with, Murray said there is none—the iPhone’s screen size makes it similar to the older, 3.5-inch-screen models, but features such as IQ Routes make its software more similar to that of newer models.)
Pricing and availability haven’t yet arrived

Unfortunately, TomTom wasn’t able to provide concrete information about pricing and availability—the company is still saying simply “later this summer.” However, Murray did tell us that the company is leaning towards a set price for the application and maps, rather than taking the subscription approach of AT&T. The application you purchase through the App Store will include the TomTom navigation software and the latest TeleAtlas maps for your area; North America and Europe will be the initial areas offered.

Due to the size of the maps, the download will be quite large for an iPhone app—close to 1GB. (TomTom doesn’t yet know if the download will be restricted to WiFi connections.) iPhone users will be able to update their maps, although the policy and process for updating—for example, via in-app purchasing, App Store updates, or using software similar to TomTom Home—has yet to be determined.

Those interested in more information on TomTom for iPhone can sign up for status updates at the TomTom site.

Danbo!

If i buy this I definitely wont be going for the cradle. Maybe the 3GS has an improved GPS reciever, but Im amazed how good it is at getting a lock on a satellite. N95, N96, Nokia 6210 and other phones I've used with external GPS mounted on dash have taken anything from 1-10 minutes to give me even an estimated location. The iPhone manages a lock within seconds everytime, even down low in the car, and even indoors in my office, and im about 10 feet from a window. It found a lock quicker than a Garmin GPS unit some guy in work was showing off too, which was nice!

eirlink

tom dunne....can you merge?

sammypsammy

Does this mean that the iPod touch could run this app??!?

Well probably not but it's a thought!

Skyuser

Paying for the app and the cradle will be more expensive than buying a sat nav. Very stupid.

sammypsammy

Skyuser wrote: »

Paying for the app and the cradle will be more expensive than buying a sat nav. Very stupid.

Depends on how much this cradle is going to cost... Also the app itself could come out cheap-ish. Might end up a cheaper option?!? Plus in the cradles defense it is used as a car kit!

Skyuser

The cradle will be minimum €20 and app will be minimum €70. Realistically i'm guessing €120 for both.

Victor_M

I'd say you are way off on your cradle price guess, more like €50+ (maybe even €100, it's a gps receiver, blue tooth handsfree and iPod integration kit too) for the cradle, the app will also prob be €99, same as navigon, despite the fact that you can buy a whole standalone gps unit for about €120 at the moment, TT will be banking on iPhone owners paying a premium to have a one device does it all solution.

On a separate note, can any of the apps developers answer this, I have an external Bluetooth GPS receiver from Tom-tom for WM6, will the iPhone Bluetooth be able to use this? It currently doesn't pick the GPS receiver up when I do a search, wondering will the TOM-TOM app be able to?

CivilEx

Victor_M wrote: »

I'd say you are way off on your cradle price guess, more like €50+ (maybe even €100, it's a gps receiver, blue tooth handsfree and iPod integration kit too) for the cradle, the app will also prob be €99, same as navigon, despite the fact that you can buy a whole standalone gps unit for about €120 at the moment, TT will be banking on iPhone owners paying a premium to have a one device does it all solution.

I'm both a Tomtom and an iPhone owner. TT are currently looking for €48 off me to "update" my maps, so this will go some way towards the cost of the iPhone App - so yes, I guess I'm willing to pay a premium to get everything on one device.

Victor_M wrote: »

On a separate note, can any of the apps developers answer this, I have an external Bluetooth GPS receiver from Tom-tom for WM6, will the iPhone Bluetooth be able to use this? It currently doesn't pick the GPS receiver up when I do a search, wondering will the TOM-TOM app be able to?

The iPhone 3G and 3GS both have inbuilt GPS receivers, why would you want to hook up a second GPS receiver via bluetooth?

Kashkai

My car (like a lot of others with factory fit radios) doesn't have a 3.5mm aux in port so that rules out its use as a handsfree device. I'd agree that the cradle will be quite expensive (I've seen a picture of it) and there'll probably be fees for updating maps. All in all, you'd probably be better off buying a dedicated sat nav if you need one. However, I think the iPhone's existing standard "Maps" and apps like Motion X are sufficient for most people's purposes.

The TOM TOM idea is a nice but pretty much a luxury buy.

Victor_M

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The iPhone 3G and 3GS both have inbuilt GPS receivers, why would you want to hook up a second GPS receiver via bluetooth?[/QUOTE]

Well i already have a perfectly good hands free setup, combined with a Dice silverline iPod player/charger, the only thing that the TOM TOM cradle can offer me is the enhanced GPS performance via the in built GPS receiver in the cradle itself, seeing as I already have a 51 channel very capable GPS receiver at home I was wondering in I could use it to enhance the TOM TOM app in the same way by placing it on the dash or the rear parcel shelf with a completely uninterrupted line of sight to the sky, as I used to do with my old HTC touch.

eirlink

afaik the iphone uses AGPS ( assisted gps) which relies on cell tower / base station references, as opposed to treu gps which uses satellite info. the agps option will use data, thus you are paying ! all the time. Whereas the cradle, with its in built RX will be a once off purchase.

im just hoping the cradle will work with Navigon mobile navigator. I have downloaded the lite ( free) version of this onto a ipod touch and its really impressive.

Plus navigon use Navteq mapping, TomTOm use teleatlas. If the cradle works its a no brainer.
check out navigon mobile navigator LITE app in the itunes app store.

Dades

I have the Navigon Sat Nav app installed on the wife's 3G - which is running on Vodafone with 3G currently disabled (she has no data allowance at the mo').

Tested it driving to Wicklow last weekend and there was no problem with getting a signal, nor was there any data usage. Methinks the TomTom cradle is really only needed if you need a handfree kit, and this business of boosting the signal a bit of a marketing bluff.

eirlink

Dades wrote: »

I have the Navigon Sat Nav app installed on the wife's 3G - which is running on Vodafone with 3G currently disabled (she has no data allowance at the mo').

Tested it driving to Wicklow last weekend and there was no problem with getting a signal, nor was there any data usage. Methinks the TomTom cradle is really only needed if you need a handfree kit, and this business of boosting the signal a bit of a marketing bluff.

have you the full version or the lite?

Victor_M

Is the Lite version the full Ireland and UK maps or what's the catch? I can't tell what they are leaving out from the full version (other than all of Europe obviously)

anoble66

I find the GPS signal pretty good with the navigon app, no worse than my tomtom unit. One thing I found annoying though is navigon is pretty slow to calcuate at times, especially in city centres. At one stage I had arrived at the junction and it was not updating and announcing the next turn so ended up just having to guess - which of course was completely wrong :rolleyes:

eirlink

Victor_M wrote: »

Is the Lite version the full Ireland and UK maps or what's the catch? I can't tell what they are leaving out from the full version (other than all of Europe obviously)

no voice, as in turn by turn directions.

Victor_M

Oh, so can it be used as a sat nav at all or just as a simulator for what the real app does?

Dades

eirlink wrote: »

have you the full version or the lite?

Full version.

Though I haven't tried it in the city. Possibly it finds it more difficult to get a connection with buildings/bridges about.