Pee stops

pprendeville

Did a lovely spin out as far as a German memorial graveyard today. Had originally planned on doing the Sally Gap and stopped in Joe Daly cycles (is that the name - hopeless with names) in Dundrum and the son (can't remember his name surprise surprise although he had a lovely Trek bike worth €6000) did out a mpa for me but when I got to a little village (think it might be Glencree, there was a cross roads and a little fruite and veg shop and took a right there and went up this really steep hill (the back tyre was skidding on the road on the ascent twas so steep) and cycled a way on to that place I mentioned and met another sound cyclist and came back with him another day. Did 80km so I was well pleased with myself. Much easier when you're out with somebody.

Question - where is it acceptable to stop and pee. Is doing it in someones front entrance a big nono even though it's into grass? Got heckled today but I couldn't hold it any longer. Don't see why it's such a big deal to be honest. It';s only water.

Eoin D

Le comportement incorrect!

Never had that problem myself to be honest, sure there's nothing wrong with it if you don't get caught! Just keep it out of view :P

Bush at side of road.

Although it depends if you're a woman I suppose.

DBCyc

Hmmm I never had to stop that urgently myself, but I have often wondered what the procedure is for going for a whizz at the side of the road when wearing bib shorts?!

blorg

DBCyc wrote: »

Hmmm I never had to stop that urgently myself, but I have often wondered what the procedure is for going for a whizz at the side of the road when wearing bib shorts?!

Just pull down the front (presuming you are male.) Some females avoid bibs for this reason.

It is one of the great things of being a cyclist, that we can piss in public pretty freely without feeling self conscious, it is a freedom we share with drunks and marathon runners before a race (the less said about the latter the better.)

With this freedom however comes great responsibility, and you should avoid causing offence.

General decorum would suggest you avoid right in front of people's houses, although with the once off development in this country that can be tricky. I know cycling to Galway after crossing the Shannon I just had to go and after around 5km of houses every 100m or so I just chose a gate into a field far enough from any one of them... Honestly this country is a disaster in this regard, in other countries you cycle in the countryside between towns, and there is nothing there besides a few farms. People live in the towns, or on farms, not along a road in the middle of nowhere every 100m.

Around Wicklow/Glencree you really shouldn't have much problem finding somewhere quiet and away from houses. Going right on someone's entrance is really a no-no, FFS if someone did it to your house you would probably not be too happy.

One of the designated pee stops on the Tour of Ireland incidentally was sort of in a square RIGHT in front of someone's house... Cue 100 cyclists pissing on their wall, I don't know what they did to piss off the organisers. :pac: Normally I wouldn't, but on this event you really had to go when the opportunity provided itself, if you went out of the back of a group you were unlikely to get back on.

Well done on the cycle BTW!

Caroline_ie

blorg wrote: »

Just pull down the front (presuming you are male.) Some females avoid bibs for this reason.

I just bitch and moan that I need to go ... and stop at the next cafe or petrol station :P

Us ladies also have the shewee ... I have never tried tho ...

kavanagh_h

Caroline_ie wrote: »

I just bitch and moan that I need to go ... and stop at the next cafe or petrol station :P

Us ladies also have the shewee ... I have never tried tho ...

Oh my God where did you find that!!!!!. The thought of being caught using it...!!!

Caroline_ie

kavanagh_h wrote: »

Oh my God where did you find that!!!!!. The thought of being caught using it...!!!

I saw them at Millets ... You could easily scare your mates with that during a spin P

kavanagh_h

Caroline_ie wrote: »

I saw them at Millets ... You could easily scare your mates with that during a spin P

Definitely! Good to know though!

stopped_clock

blorg wrote: »

Just pull down the front (presuming you are male.)

Of bib shorts? The front of mine are all too high. I go for the pulling up the leg of my shorts technique.

Is it not against the Euro-rules to get off the bike to pee?

xz

A lady out on a spin once told me that once she was that desperate, that she just got out of her saddle and went, and washed the bike immediately when she got home

Caroline_ie

xz wrote: »

A lady out on a spin once told me that once she was that desperate, that she just got out of her saddle and went, and washed the bike immediately when she got home

probably a triathlete

xz

Caroline_ie wrote: »

probably a triathlete

yes she is actually:D

Caroline_ie

xz wrote: »

yes she is actually:D

... not surprised

Bunnyhopper

stopped_clock wrote: »

I go for the pulling up the leg of my shorts technique.

+1 on that approach.

DBCyc

stopped_clock wrote: »

The front of mine are all too high. I go for the pulling up the leg of my shorts technique.

Yeah, mine are very high also. Sounds like the pulling up the leg of the shorts is the way forward!

mloc123

Caroline_ie wrote: »

probably a triathlete

Perfectly acceptable

rflynnr

I never wee while on a spin: some (clearly deranged) part of my brain insists on hanging onto the fluid in the mistaken belief that a) I might need it and b) that it would somehow be possible to make use of it despite the fact that it's taken up residence in my bladder.

I need help.

72hundred

Wow just wow, I've seen some stupid stuff on the internet but this particular line is near the stupidest;
[quote=
shewee.com/how.html]
On leaving the body, urine is sterile.[/quote]

Lumen

72hundred wrote: »

Wow just wow, I've seen some stupid stuff on the internet but this particular line is near the stupidest;

Why?

Chips Lovell

Yes, I'd like to know why too?

blorg

I too would like to know why.

ROK ON

I am confused as to what you would like to know

(1) Why it is sterile or
(2) why it is almost the stupidist thing that 7200 has seen on web.

Need to clarify.

I presume that this thread is a p**stake.

Muller_1

this is how to do it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvdkfW6b5ks

Gavin

72hundred wrote: »

Wow just wow, I've seen some stupid stuff on the internet but this particular line is near the stupidest;

What's your beef man ?

ednwireland

ROK ON wrote: »

I am confused as to what you would like to know

(1) Why it is sterile or
(2) why it is almost the stupidist thing that 7200 has seen on web.

Need to clarify.

I presume that this thread is a p**stake.

its sterile cos your kidneys can filter out bacteria (i think) but it usually picks up bacteria going through the urinary tract not much unless you have an infection

72hundred

Lumen wrote: »

Why?

el tonto wrote: »

Yes, I'd like to know why too?

blorg wrote: »

I too would like to know why.

ROK ON wrote: »

I am confused as to what you would like to know

(1) Why it is sterile or
(2) why it is almost the stupidist thing that 7200 has seen on web.

Need to clarify.

I presume that this thread is a p**stake.

Gavin wrote: »

What's your beef man ?

ednwireland wrote: »

its sterile cos your kidneys can filter out bacteria (i think) but it usually picks up bacteria going through the urinary tract not much unless you have an infection

I'm surprised at all the questions, but here's the simple reason why its so stupid

UTI's are very common (34% of adults over 20 self-reported having at least one occurrence of a urinary tract infection in the US 1988-1994 (Weighted Analysis of 1988-1994 NHANES, 2003, NIDDK) also 86.% of these were in women (this is due to a shorten urethral distance).

And they are diagnosed with a urine culture (usually "mid-stream urine", that is to say not the first volume of urine ~ so negating any bacteria/infection that's around the distal part urethra).

A urine culture works by giving media (food) to any organisms that are in the urine - i.e. bacteria.

So basically I consider any fluid that regularly carries bacteria to not be sterile.

BTW; the first volume of urine that passes out is nearly always carrying bacteria, so even if you don't have a classical UTI you're still passing less than "sterile" urine!

RobFowl

72hundred wrote: »

I'm surprised at all the questions, but here's the simple reason why its so stupid

UTI's are very common (34% of adults over 20 self-reported having at least one occurrence of a urinary tract infection in the US 1988-1994 (Weighted Analysis of 1988-1994 NHANES, 2003, NIDDK) also 86.% of these were in women (this is due to a shorten urethral distance).

And they are diagnosed with a urine culture (usually "mid-stream urine", that is to say not the first volume of urine ~ so negating any bacteria/infection that's around the distal part urethra).

A urine culture works by giving media (food) to any organisms that are in the urine - i.e. bacteria.

So basically I consider any fluid that regularly carries bacteria to not be sterile.

BTW; the first volume of urine that passes out is nearly always carrying bacteria, so even if you don't have a classical UTI you're still passing less than "sterile" urine!

Unfortunately your argument falls down because tis bollocks!
Unless you have a UTI the urine is effectively sterile when it leaves the body. It does provide a good culture medium for bacterial growth though.

72hundred wrote: »

UTI's are very common (34% of adults over 20 self-reported having at least one occurrence of a urinary tract infection in the US 1988-1994 (Weighted Analysis of 1988-1994 NHANES, 2003, NIDDK) also 86.% of these were in women (this is due to a shorten urethral distance).
I consider any fluid that regularly carries bacteria to not be sterile.

PS thats lifetime occurance i.e 34 % ahve had a UTI at some point in their lives ! not at any given times.
You don't live in a plastic bubble BTW because 10% of us all carry Staph. Aureus on our skin at all times, 100% of our bowels are populated with bacteria and the human mouth has more bacteria in it than dogs do.

ednwireland

couldn't fit many dogs in my mouth (despite accusations to the contrary) compared to bacteria, in fact at last count i had no dogs in my mouth

RobFowl

ednwireland wrote: »

couldn't fit many dogs in my mouth (despite accusations to the contrary) compared to bacteria, in fact at last count i had no dogs in my mouth

Wish I could say the same ! Same dog for the last 15 years though

the_syco

Caroline_ie wrote: »

I just bitch and moan that I need to go ... and stop at the next cafe or petrol station :P

Us ladies also have the shewee ... I have never tried tho ...

It has two uses: peeing, and suddenly stopping X plonker from trying to chat you up...

72hundred

RobFowl wrote: »

Unfortunately your argument falls down because tis bollocks!
Unless you have a UTI the urine is effectively sterile when it leaves the body. It does provide a good culture medium for bacterial growth though.

Cheers but its not bollocks at all.

If something is stated as sterile, its sterile, its not that's well ummm sterile most of the time. And its not even sterile any of the time.

Also regarding the bacteria contained in urine here's a nice little study that has 35 individuals and compared the first catch to MSU;
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T57-48S38JC-1&_user=103682&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=956856239&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000007921&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=103682&md5=5b4719b87c5d33ae7ef52021b00370aa

From their conclusions;
Bacteria counts between the two types of collections significantly differed in female, but not in male urine.

and bacteria count, in symptomless individuals (as in NO UTI's)
4.00×10 -power of- 6 bacteria / l


Indeed we don't live in plastic bubbles, but bacteria where its meant to be i.e. in your urinary track is still bacteria (bacterial flora) - and not sterile.

As I say not bollocks at all.

RobFowl

72hundred wrote: »

Cheers but its not bollock at all.

If something is stated as sterile, its sterile, its not that's well ummm sterile most of the time.

Also regarding the bacteria contained in urine here's a nice little study that has 35 individuals and compared the first catch to MSU;
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T57-48S38JC-1&_user=103682&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=956856239&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000007921&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=103682&md5=5b4719b87c5d33ae7ef52021b00370aa

From their conclusions;
Bacteria counts between the two types of collections significantly differed in female, but not in male urine.

and bacteria count, in symptomless individuals (as in NO UTI's)
4.00×10 -power of- 6 bacteria / l


Indeed we don't live in plastic bubbles, but bacteria where its meant to be i.e. in your urinary track is still bacteria (bacterial flora) - and not sterile.

As I say not bollox at all.

That study is about the need to collect mid stream samples as opposed to first catch, The rational is that first catch sample are prone to contamination form the skin are urethral opening. So the urine is sterile but the urethral opening can be contaminated, so bollocks it is

72hundred

RobFowl wrote: »

That study is about the need to collect mid stream samples as opposed to first catch, The rational is that first catch sample are prone to contamination form the skin are urethral opening. So the urine is sterile but the urethral opening can be contaminated, so bollocks it is

Yes and to compare first catch to MSU they COMPARED the BACTERIA COUNT! i.e. both had a count - i.e. both had bacteria......

haha - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MiamiCaptionURL&_method=retrieve&_udi=B6T57-48S38JC-1&_image=fig1&_ba=1&_user=103682&_rdoc=1&_fmt=full&_orig=search&_cdi=4995&view=c&_acct=C000007921&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=103682&md5=4490c2f28b5c173bd7915957d893a110

petethedrummer

Is anyone here almost a doctor?

Isn't there a thread on some forum where a lady went number twosies on her bicycle? I would search for it, only it might raise suspicion in work.

Chips Lovell

This is a first, a debate about pee.

scottreynolds

el tonto wrote: »

This is a first, a debate about pee.

and its more inteeligent than half the other debates.

If you need to pee... stop away from peoples houses and enjoy the scenary and relief. Don't piss in a town thats just dumb. You may piss yourself while riding only if your about to win the TDF, at all other times this is gross.

blorg

petethedrummer wrote: »

Is anyone here almost a doctor?

I believe at least one of them is actually a doctor.

Isn't there a thread on some forum where a lady went number twosies on her bicycle? I would search for it, only it might raise suspicion in work.

Yes, there is. She was a triathlete on a US forum, I posted the link... Can't find it for the life of me, it was hilarious though.

blorg

scottreynolds wrote: »

If you need to pee... stop away from peoples houses and enjoy the scenary and relief. Don't piss in a town thats just dumb. You may piss yourself while riding only if your about to win the TDF, at all other times this is gross.

It's actually more common in triathlon than in the TdF. Due to the nature of bunch racing there is generally a neutralised bunch pee among the peloton. This is an agreed custom rather than something officially endorsed... Even LeMond said he generally stopped to pee rather than go on the bike although there was that one day he famously had explosive diarrhea while in the saddle.



Long distance triathletes have effectively a 180km time trial so it's understandable why they go on the bike.

Chips Lovell

Anyone ever hear the Bob Roll story?

warrfla

petethedrummer wrote: »

Is anyone here almost a doctor?

Isn't there a thread on some forum where a lady went number twosies on her bicycle? I would search for it, only it might raise suspicion in work.

I have been searching for it to no avail, I tought it was on slowtwitch but cant find it, she was a triathlete and had been reading about 'going on the bike' and when out on a training ride she stopped had a burito and then on the ride home got the urge to 'go' and not understanding that when people say 'go on the bike' they mean pull their shorts up or down and pee and are generally male!!

She said the urge to go became so strong that she proceeded to empty her bowels while cycling, thinking this was normal :eek: and then had to ride home, suffice to say no one on the ride got behind to draft her for the rest of the ride

Jumpy

There should be sort of a Camelbak opposite.

A Camelcok perhaps?

Add a filter into that and you have a circular hydration system. Win Win.

RobFowl

72hundred wrote: »

Yes and to compare first catch to MSU they COMPARED the BACTERIA COUNT! i.e. both had a count - i.e. both had bacteria......

haha - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MiamiCaptionURL&_method=retrieve&_udi=B6T57-48S38JC-1&_image=fig1&_ba=1&_user=103682&_rdoc=1&_fmt=full&_orig=search&_cdi=4995&view=c&_acct=C000007921&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=103682&md5=4490c2f28b5c173bd7915957d893a110

You are using the term sterile in the context of absolute abscence of bacteria. This is fine for surgical instrument etc but in terms of everyday life urine is considered sterile if the bacterial count is less than 1/10000000 per Litre

blorg

el tonto wrote: »

Anyone ever hear the Bob Roll story?

This one? Hadn't seen it before today:

Kaiser@bikeforums.net wrote:

Not to bash OLN's mass-market broadcast in the evening with Trautwig and Roll (hey, even I'm learning stuff with the 'Roll-a-strator'), but they had that question in their 'Ask Bob' segment last week. Roll, who answers some questions with some crazy off the wall answers (which you know are his attempts at humor because they are so off the wall), answered - with a straight face - that the riders get catheters put in which are hooked up to 'evaporator pads' on the back of the jerseys where it 'evaporates away.' Then Trautwig looks at him with a totally straight face and says, 'So it just evaporates away then?' and Roll answers, with an equally straight face and no hint of sarcasm in his voice that that is, indeed, the way it works. Now given that Roll often answers these questions with the correct answer in a straight fashion, why in the heck does he do this during the program OLN is touting as their 'bring in the masses who are uneducated about racing' prime-time version? Now there are thousands of people believing these guys get catheterized before every stage!

@warrfla- that is the one all right, it wasn't on slowtwitch, was some sort of more local tri forum IIRC.

Chips Lovell

blorg wrote: »

This one?

Nope. This one. (Not a link for the squeemish I'll add, so you've been warned). Says a lot about the guy that he mentions it prominently on his own website.

RobFowl

X Thou shalt not take the name of Eddie Merckx in vain

IX Thou shalt be screamed at by one Grewal or another

VIII Thou shalt be screwed by one cycling federation or another

VII Thou shalt have your bike destroyed and luggage lost by airlines

VI Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's bike swag

V Thou shalt pee in cup eventually

IV Thou shalt be thrashed, trashed, crashed and smashed by someone younger and stronger than you

III Thou shalt wear your helmet on every ride

II Thou shalt not touch thy front brake while negotiating off-camber switchback turns

I Thou shalt crash and look like a fool sooner or later

(are these to be added to the euro rules !)

blorg

el tonto wrote: »

Nope. This one. (Not a link for the squeemish I'll add, so you've been warned). Says a lot about the guy that he mentions it prominently on his own website.

I read that one before, about the family having the picnic, didn't know it was him though

niceonetom

el tonto wrote: »

This one

Worst cake story ever.

Signal_ rabbit

very funny, but not washing hands and then eating.....!

Chips Lovell

Signal_ rabbit wrote: »

very funny, but not washing hands and then eating.....!

Maybe that's how he ended up with the trots in the first place.

unionman

He sounds like the kind of guy I could be friends with.