unbiased article?

wylo

Hi, Im just wondering is there any unbiased articles out there about the Lisbon treaty, one that informs you of the genuine reasons you should vote either way.

Im trying to read the treaty, and while some of it is ok, some of it is tough going I have to admit.

Preferably an article that both a Yes voter and a No voter can vouch for.

turgon

The Department of Foreign Affairs White Paper:
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055615845

Iwasfrozen

Yep, the Government must be unbiased in all Referenda.

PopeBuckfastXVI

It's possibly not worth finding an article which presents reasons to vote yes from a yes person, and reasons to vote no from a no person. The article will be unbiased by presenting both sets of reasons, but the reasons themselves will be completely biased.

A better idea might be to find a factual description of the treaty, and what it contains. You can then decide if the contents of the treaty merit a 'yes' or 'no' from you, based on your own opinion.

I have found the EU Lisbon Microsite very helpful.

http://europa.eu/lisbon_treaty/index_en.htm

wylo

turgon wrote: »

The Department of Foreign Affairs White Paper:
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055615845

A quote from it that already puts me off a bit...

The EU needs the Lisbon Treaty, if it is to
continue delivering peace and prosperity to
Europe in the years ahead. Ireland has a vital
interest in an effective Union and that is why this
Treaty is so important for our future.

wylo

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

It's possibly not worth finding an article which presents reasons to vote yes from a yes person, and reasons to vote no from a no person. The article will be unbiased by presenting both sets of reasons, but the reasons themselves will be completely biased.

A better idea might be to find a factual description of the treaty, and what it contains. You can then decide if the contents of the treaty merit a 'yes' or 'no' from you, based on your own opinion.

I have found the EU Lisbon Microsite very helpful.

http://europa.eu/lisbon_treaty/index_en.htm

Again, thats from a site that would have an interest in promoting the yes side.
Im just looking for a decent article that would give a very fair balanced view of it, that would point out the pros and cons of the treaty in how it will affect this country,and also i want to be able to pass on this article to other people for arguements purposes. Because there are some people out there that are going to cast their votes based on lies, and this counts for both sides.
Thanks

Iwasfrozen

turgon wrote:

The Department of Foreign Affairs White Paper:
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055615845

This is as fair as you are going to get.
The Government is banned under the constitution from promoting one side in a referendum so this document would have been passed by a group of solicitors to determine it's fairness.

wylo

then how on earth would they have gotten away with something like what i just quoted.

Iwasfrozen

wylo wrote: »

then how on earth would they have gotten away with something like what i just quoted.

That's the EU's website, not ours.

wylo

Im a bit confused, I quoted that from the dfa.ie white paper I was linked to. I dont get how its an EU website. It just didnt seem as unbiased as I was hoping, I want this so I can refer to it for other people as well, and be able to say "look , heres an unbiased article." Because there are certain people I know that no matter what, they will not trust what politicians promoting it will have to say.

sink

wylo wrote: »

Im a bit confused, I quoted that from the dfa.ie white paper I was linked to. I dont get how its an EU website. It just didnt seem as unbiased as I was hoping, I want this so I can refer to it for other people as well, and be able to say "look , heres an unbiased article." Because there are certain people I know that no matter what, they will not trust what politicians promoting it will have to say.

I think they can get away with it due to the words "The government believes" a few paragraphs backs. That establishes what is written in that section as opinion rather than fact and it can be justified as a description of the governments stance on the Lisbon treaty, which fall under the scope of the white paper.

jabbertalky

The government has a duty to tell the Irish people the truth, which is we are being hood winked into giving up our independence and soon we are going to be run by the Germans and the French. The writing is on the wall people, time to stop talking about what is biased and not. Do the right thing in Oct and VOTE NO to Lisbon! We said it once, we'll say it again, NO!!

Scofflaw

This is a very large, chapter by chapter analysis of the Treaty by Europolitics, who are an independent European affairs analyst - a real one, rather than a Eurosceptic or Eurofederalist 'think tank' - and in the business since 1972. It's about 40 pages. It's relatively neutral - tends to simply say what a change means rather than commenting on whether it's a good or bad thing.

This special issue of Europolitics constitutes an initial deciphering of the treaty.
The most important innovations are identified and commented upon, with their legal references: our expert journalists have not approached the text as legal practitioners, but have carried out their usual job of clarification and explanation, in total independence.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Iwasfrozen

jabbertalky wrote: »

The government has a duty to tell the Irish people the truth, which is we are being hood winked into giving up our independence and soon we are going to be run by the Germans and the French. The writing is on the wall people, time to stop talking about what is biased and not. Do the right thing in Oct and VOTE NO to Lisbon! We said it once, we'll say it again, NO!!

Can't anyone else see the irony here ?
You condem the Government for "hoodwinking people" [without providing evidence may I add] and then you tell people how they should vote.

Concerned for the future of the Human Race,
Iwasfrozen.

Daftendirekt

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Can't anyone else see the irony here ?
You condem the Government for "hoodwinking people" [without providing evidence may I add] and then you tell people how they should vote.

Concerned for the future of the Human Race,
Iwasfrozen.

Indeed. Calling for a No vote based on waffle about independence, and lies about a French/German dictated EU.



Imitating Scofflaw's sig,
Daftendirekt

turgon

Scofflaw wrote: »

This is a very large, chapter by chapter analysis of the Treaty by Europolitics

Thanks for that. I had to access the page twice though before they gave it to me, something to do with browser cookies I think.