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Can i claim the dole?

  • 10-07-2009 08:57PM
    #1
    LFC5Times
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭


    Basically I have been working in a company for the last 18 months and I had signed a contract which would have expired there last week but will finish up working next week.

    I have decided to leave the company as I am no longer motivated in this particular job and bored there to be honest.

    I plan to look for a new job - Yes I know I should have looked for one before quitting, but I tend not to worry and have a laid back attitude and live at home still so helps financially.

    As I have left, would I not be entitled to claim the dole?

    But if I get a letter from my employer saying they have decided not to renew my contract, can I claim it?

    Also what would I get roughly? I'm mid 20's and live at home with no kids and have only been working for the last 18 months really.

    Thanks


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  • #2
    asdasd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭asdasd


    But if I get a letter from my employer saying they have decided not to renew my contract, can I claim it?

    Yes. In that case you have not resigned.

    I have no idea on what you get, but take what you can. You paid in. So take out.


  • #3
    Xiney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Xiney


    LFC5Times wrote: »
    But if I get a letter from my employer saying they have decided not to renew my contract, can I claim it?

    But if they would have renewed it, then this isn't the case. You're leaving voluntarily, and not really for any good reason. You may be disqualified for a few weeks (possibly up to 9)


  • #4
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    Xiney wrote: »
    But if they would have renewed it, then this isn't the case. You're leaving voluntarily, and not really for any good reason. You may be disqualified for a few weeks (possibly up to 9)

    That might be a question of interpretation too though Xiney. Sometimes these things can be passed off as mutual. I wonder if the OP could try that.


  • #5
    mp22
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 6,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭mp22


    if the op has only been working for the last 18 months they are unlikely to have enough stamps in the qualifing year for benifit and will have to claim allowance with means test ect.(staying in work may have proved the lesser of two evils)


  • #6
    cee_jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭cee_jay


    Also sometimes Social Welfare issue a form to employers asking why your job ended - for example if they are not letting anyone else go, and you are a bit iffy with regards the reason, they may contact your employer. That's not the only scenario where they do, but it is possible that they may.


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  • #7
    asdasd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭asdasd


    Why is the end of a contract not the same as being laid off from the point of view of the social welfare.


  • #8
    cee_jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭cee_jay


    In the situation above, he is being offered a contract renewal, and turning it down, so in effect he is leaving his job. So technically he could be disqualified for up to 9 weeks - but he may not be. If he were to leave his job he has to make his claim and see what the deciding officer thinks of the situation and just be aware of the possibility of the disqualifiaction.


  • #9
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    The OP could always say that the terms of the contract have changed, or the OP could argue that they sought the insertion of new terms, which were reasonable in the circumstances, that those new terms have not been met, and that they are thus leaving the job.


  • #10
    Xiney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Xiney


    IT Loser wrote: »
    The OP could always say that the terms of the contract have changed, or the OP could argue that they sought the insertion of new terms, which were reasonable in the circumstances, that those new terms have not been met, and that they are thus leaving the job.

    But if that isn't the case, then lying about it is fraud.


  • #11
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    Xiney wrote: »
    But if that isn't the case, then lying about it is fraud.

    I dont know- the terms dont have to change, just his opinion of them. If he feels he is worth more money, and the terms dont reflect his changing mood, then he could have a case.

    I'll admit though, its very shakey.


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  • #12
    Max Power1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    IT Loser wrote: »
    I dont know- the terms dont have to change, just his opinion of them. If he feels he is worth more money, and the terms dont reflect his changing mood, then he could have a case.

    I'll admit though, its very shakey.
    The terms would have to change, he cant just back out of something after signing up to it and call that being let go?


  • #13
    Hell Toupee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hell Toupee


    You can still claim but there will be a delay in your claim


  • #14
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    The terms would have to change, he cant just back out of something after signing up to it and call that being let go?

    I dont want to be argumentative- he can, technically, do that, for example: if he discovers his rights have been abrogated {the terms force him to join, or forbid him from joining, a trade union} he could turn the contract down on principle, by seeing something he didnt see the first time, and then disagreeing with it.

    As I say, practically, and ethically, it seems he is on shaky ground.


  • #15
    old boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭old boy


    WTF do you want to sign on, cop on.





    LFC5Times wrote: »
    Basically I have been working in a company for the last 18 months and I had signed a contract which would have expired there last week but will finish up working next week.

    I have decided to leave the company as I am no longer motivated in this particular job and bored there to be honest.

    I plan to look for a new job - Yes I know I should have looked for one before quitting, but I tend not to worry and have a laid back attitude and live at home still so helps financially.

    As I have left, would I not be entitled to claim the dole?

    But if I get a letter from my employer saying they have decided not to renew my contract, can I claim it?

    Also what would I get roughly? I'm mid 20's and live at home with no kids and have only been working for the last 18 months really.

    Thanks


  • #16
    asdasd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭asdasd


    WTF do you want to sign on, cop on.

    because he wants to get money?


  • #17
    cee_jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭cee_jay


    old boy wrote: »
    WTF do you want to sign on, cop on.
    Old boy, please have a read of the charter.
    Thanks.


  • #18
    LFC5Times
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭LFC5Times


    old boy wrote: »
    WTF do you want to sign on, cop on.

    If you bothered to read my post and had a bit of cop on, you wouldn't have come out with such a silly comment.

    I will be and am already looking for a job,but if possible I would like some money to live on as without a job I wont have anything to live on.And before you mouth off again, NO I wont stay working somewhere where I am bored and unhappy.


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