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Rules Of Attraction?

  • 10-07-2009 8:12am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39


    Hi all

    Seeing a guy for a couple of months now, thought it was going well....but I guess it's not seeing as am posting here! The problem is that I am not as physically attracted to him as I would like to be or feel I "should" be - am wondering can this change over time, 2 months is not a long time and I really don't want to jump ship without being sure......the thing is, he's a really lovely man, not like some other men I have dated in the past in that he would be quieter, less confident, and really not "my type" but at the same time, I enjoy being with him, he's seriously kind and considerate and, crucially, he made me shoot beer out of my nose from laughing the other night (I know, v. attractive). When we meet up, I walk into the bar/restaurant and my heart sinks a teensy bit, I just don't find him very attractive, but then he goes and does his thing and by the end of the night, I'm thinking how much I like him.....until the next date when the questioning starts again :(

    When he kisses me, I definitely feel a spark, he's good at it and is very affectionate.....physical relations are developing at a slow pace but that's fine with me.... sigh, not sure what I am trying to say here, I think I am just a bit distressed that this lovely man wants to be with me and I really, really, really want to fancy him but I know in my heart that at the moment, I don't and that there is no point on carrying on if I don't fancy him, liking him a lot is not enough.....but am I giving it enough of a chance?? Anyone find themselve in this situation before?

    J.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    If you're happy to let it continue, do. I notice quite a lot of women like guys for attributes other than their looks. Same with guys too, of course. If you really find the attraction thing a turnoff then end it. Don't let it drag on if it's bothering you so much. Nice is nice but great is much better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Is it a case that you only 'fancy' him when you have beer in you??
    If so that's not good...

    You have to be honest with yourself..looks are not everything..if he's a great guy, really funny, really good to you etc then you have to 'allow' yourself to start fancying him...look beyond his looks...

    I'd say give it a real shot..he sounds like he's good for you so stop with the 'I dont fancy him for his looks'..fancy him for being HIM..look for the positives in him and not the negatives (ie his looks..)

    Best of luck with it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    Guess you have to figure out in your own head what is more important to you?

    Looks - which will fade in time...
    Personality - he gets you to shoot beer from your nose...

    It is only natural for us to be driven initially by looks - but that part of most relationships over time becomes less important as we get to know the person. It seems right now that you are already past the "honeymoon" period of this relationship due to the attractiveness side. But - that is not a bad thing - how many of us have done stupid things for folk we thought looked amazing - but when we scraped a little they were as dense as Zoolander...

    I think I would have to tell you to just relax and enjoy the fun. In a few months you might be pleasantly surprised at how deep your feelings become.
    But - if you get to the point or are there now - where he repulses you...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    Yep would agree with Sunflower...I went for all the hunky men in my early-mid twenties...the physical connection sometimes was mind-blowing, sometimes a little too much and it made me over look very obvious flaws in their personality...like brains, thoughtfulness or a sense of humour and when I broke up with a particularly good-looking lad a few years ago, I thought I missed HIM when all I actually missed was his face/body and the sex...the guy was a bit of a prick actuallly...completely devoid of any sense of humour and could be a selfish git sometimes(no, I'm not bitter..haha!) and I only realise that now in hindsight. I kick myself for being so shallow.


    At the end of the day OP, not many of us end up with the hunky man or woman. Not many people out there are super-hot AND have a great personality to boot no matter how much you wish that was the case. Hollywood has ruined our expectations on that front. Things are very different in reality.

    I'm not suggesting you settle but a guy who can make beer shoot out of your nostrils and is very kind is a bit of a catch in my book. You'll realise that as you get older (sorry, not sure why I'm presuming you're younger...). When i look at all my female friends' boyfriend/soon-to-be husbands, none of them are lookers in the conventional sense but they're all great men and as far as I know, they've all got healthy sex lives with all of them.

    You say the physical relations are developing slowly but you feel a spark when you kiss him. These are good signs! Sometimes I've found if I take things a bit further with a guy physically that I'm not 100% sure if I fancy or not, I'm pleasantly surprised by his techniques under the sheets and a man I wasn't initially attracted to becomes an adonis and I can't get enough of them. Some of the men I've fallen for, including the current guy are no pin-ups but because I find them so damn sexy anyway (but not initally), THEY'RE the ones that have done it for me the most, NOT the big, thick, hunky jock I went out with back in the day. There's sexiness in imperfection.

    Try and spice things up with this fella...every one of us has a minxy side to us that just needs to be unleashed. If he seems shy, that doesn't mean he's shy when it comes to "sexual relations". Just give the fella a chance...but as another poster said, if you are turned-off by him and things don't improve, then there's no point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Yeah, I think I went out with him too :D Not bitter either. :D

    I was also more hung up on what my friends thought of my boyfriends in my 20s. Now that doesnt really come into it.

    A person with a good heart, smart and funny is far more attractive to me than a six-pack these days... Gawd, I'm getting old :rolleyes::D

    As a male who has only seemed to meet girls that seek the 'good looking bad boy' it's very heartwarming to hear these comments..

    My current gf is not exactly what I would go for..it just developed over time..when I first met her I didnt think it would go very far but let me tell you that at this stage I'm mad about her and when we kiss it's electric..and as for under the sheets.......WOW...

    Part of the attraction is that she's just so damn nice, sweet and thoughtful....unlike all the others I've been attracted to in the past..

    So stick with it OP..Best of luck :-)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    A person with a good heart, smart and funny is far more attractive to me than a six-pack these days... Gawd, I'm getting old :rolleyes::D


    Nothing about getting old. I've always been that way about girls. Someone who could make me think and make me laugh always had the advantage. ;) My current gf did the same to me as the OP, beer coming out my nose when she made a joke, which everyone else present thought was highly inappropriate at the time. That's when she noticed me and I noticed her :D and we've never looked back ( doesn't hurt that she's also pretteh sexeh ;) )

    What I meant to add was that if it wasn't for her sense of humour I probably never would have made the effort to get to know her. You could be a super model but if you're as dull as a box of hammers the only people who will go after you are interested in looks alone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Been there done that... the bad boy thing! I actually kick myself when I think of the amount of time I spent with them, being treated appallingly and doubting myself.

    Life is way too short for that now.

    My priorities were all wrong back then but I suppoose it's all part of growing up. I remember being turned off a guy that fancied me because he wore canvas shoes... I mean ffs! I could have always bought him a new pair of shoes. God, I really was shallow and stupid :o Cant believe I am admitting to that ;)

    If I knew back then what I know now, eh... :D

    Yet again sunflower..this is all great to hear..not just for the OP but also for a lot of others on here (I must someday come out from behind my unreg shield lol)

    I've been that guy you speak of in the past (not the canvas shoes mind you :-) ) so it's good to hear that you girls do actually grow up and want the nice guy.....Fairplay...

    OP I hope you've been reading all this on here..you know the answer at this stage.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭messygirl


    one example is all you need:
    Harry and Charlotte in sex and the city. She was embarrassed to introduce him to her friends and they still ended up married! I know its not a real life situation but give me Harry over Mr Big/Smith any day!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    As it's not real, can I have Harry for daytime and Smith for the night?:P

    Seriously, totally get your point ... they were a really 'happy' couple. They just got each other! Have to say I found him more attractive as the series went on..by the end I thought he was hilarious - and incredibly sweet to Charlotte - and that made him attractive!

    Indeed. Nice to have a more realistic plot in a television programme watched by millions of women worldwide as opposed to the lies that's been forced-fed to us from a young age. We've been brainwashed, ladies! Have you noticed in your average Hollywood Rom-Com it's the good-looking guy who's the hero/ nice guy and it's the average looking fella who's the sleaze-ball/a-hole, although there's more of a leaning towards having the geeky nice guy as the hit with the ladies...although the women are ALWAYS stunning or have transformed from "geek to chic" (although, lets face it, they were never that geeky to begin with) and THEN get the hot guy. :( Again, this is not the case in reality. I'm sure that Megan Fox bird can't make you spuirt tea from your nose from laughing too hard at her witty banter (once again...not bitter!)...I know what some guys might say here....:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    We grow up, yes, but that doesnt mean you can all let yourselves go, parade around in your canvas shoes and expect us to be turned on by your ever-expanding beer bellies.... just in case you read me wrong :D:p

    Well aware of keeping oneself in shape ... but that applies to the ladies too :D

    What about sandals with socks ?/ LOL


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    Indeed. Nice to have a more realistic plot in a television programme watched by millions of women worldwide as opposed to the lies that's been forced-fed to us from a young age. We've been brainwashed, ladies! Have you noticed in your average Hollywood Rom-Com it's the good-looking guy who's the hero/ nice guy and it's the average looking fella who's the sleaze-ball/a-hole, although there's more of a leaning towards having the geeky nice guy as the hit with the ladies...although the women are ALWAYS stunning or have transformed from "geek to chic" (although, lets face it, they were never that geeky to begin with) and THEN get the hot guy. :( Again, this is not the case in reality. I'm sure that Megan Fox bird can't make you spuirt tea from your nose from laughing too hard at her witty banter (once again...not bitter!)...I know what some guys might say here....:rolleyes:

    True enough. Apart from SatC because it was a ball of crap, plus Megan Fox is a fake and not even good looking. But besides that you've got a point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 155 ✭✭willy wonka


    Sorry to rain on people's parade, but there MUST be physical attraction for a relationship to work. It's what seperates platonic relationships from sexual ones.

    The guy doesn't have to look like Johnny Depp for the OP to be attracted to them. People are attracted to all sorts, but there MUST be that spark, otherwise you're dating your brother.

    I can sympathise with you OP, I went out with a guy that I wasnt particulary attracted to, but he was a lovely guy, got on great, gave him a chance. But everytime I saw him I would question did I fancy him. It got to the point that we only slept together when there was drink involved. I started looking at and developing crushes on other men - something I never do because when I'm going out with someone I am usually crazy about them.
    I didn't cheat on him because I broke up with him but if I hadn't, I might have cheated and again that's something I wouldn't contemplate in a relationship.

    I will never go down that road again. It wasnt fair on him or me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    I went out with a guy that I wasnt particulary attracted to, but he was a lovely guy, got on great, gave him a chance. But everytime I saw him I would question did I fancy him. It got to the point that we only slept together when there was drink involved. I started looking at and developing crushes on other men - something I never do because when I'm going out with someone I am usually crazy about them.
    I didn't cheat on him because I broke up with him but if I hadn't, I might have cheated and again that's something I wouldn't contemplate in a relationship.

    I will never go down that road again. It wasnt fair on him or me.

    Just wonder if you had just relaxed and enjoyed yourself without worrying the small stuff where this would have all gone.
    Looks are transitionary...

    Now please excuse me - I am off practicing how to turn left again...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Sorry to rain on people's parade, but there MUST be physical attraction for a relationship to work. It's what seperates platonic relationships from sexual ones.


    The point is physical attraction doesn't have to be immediate, but it can grow over time....:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I've been in this position. Sorta fancied this friend of mine for years, we got together and while there was sort of a spark while kissing it just wasnt enough. I tried to see if it would develop but just no. It was horrible. Some sort of physical mis match between us.

    If its not there its not there. Its nothing to do with being shallow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 155 ✭✭willy wonka


    Taltos wrote: »
    Just wonder if you had just relaxed and enjoyed yourself without worrying the small stuff where this would have all gone.
    Looks are transitionary...

    I did enjoy myself with him, but I didn't like kissing him. I wouldnt consider wanting to be with my partner "small stuff".

    My point is someone doesn't have to be good looking for you to be attracted to them. A lot of people are attracted to so-called "flaws", e.g. big noses, wonky teeth, etc. But there must be some sort of attraction.

    I hope for the OP the attraction grows over time, but after a few months...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    Sorry to rain on people's parade, but there MUST be physical attraction for a relationship to work. It's what seperates platonic relationships from sexual ones.

    The guy doesn't have to look like Johnny Depp for the OP to be attracted to them. People are attracted to all sorts, but there MUST be that spark, otherwise you're dating your brother.

    I can sympathise with you OP, I went out with a guy that I wasnt particulary attracted to, but he was a lovely guy, got on great, gave him a chance. But everytime I saw him I would question did I fancy him. It got to the point that we only slept together when there was drink involved. I started looking at and developing crushes on other men - something I never do because when I'm going out with someone I am usually crazy about them.
    I didn't cheat on him because I broke up with him but if I hadn't, I might have cheated and again that's something I wouldn't contemplate in a relationship.

    I will never go down that road again. It wasnt fair on him or me.

    Yep, I think most people on here would agree with you Willy but she did mention that she felt SOMETHING...that there was a bit of a spark when they kissed....I think we all said that if she still feels nothing for him sexually, then to leave it be. I'm getting the feeling she hasn't slept with him yet...she said things were moving slowly in that department so maybe give that a go and see how things are after that.

    The point we agreed on (sorry, not ganging up on you...I agree with your point essentially) was that she shouldn't discount him too quickly and that sometimes attraction DOES develop over time, particularly if things go well in that department. I would agree with you that she shouldn't keep going out with this guy thus wasting his time if she doesn't fancy him, that's not fair...but maybe turn the heat up a notch and see how things go in that department first.

    He made tea squirt out of her nose from laughing, for crying out loud! He must be pretty damn funny! The guy deserves a chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    I did enjoy myself with him, but I didn't like kissing him. I wouldnt consider wanting to be with my partner "small stuff".

    Sorry WW - took you up wrong.
    In Ops case though she is feeling a spark here where you felt nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Moomoo1


    OP - the only way to see is to give it a try. People and feelings towards them change as you get closer to them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Oh The Humanity


    I dont think a relationship is actually a relationship without physical attraction.

    If you are not physically attracted then whats the point. You wont stay together.

    What will happen is you will stay with him for a while and try to artificially fake it maybe with slight success but then you will maybe meet someone who has the whole package and realise you are settling.....

    Its really doing him no favours either because its giving him false hope.

    I think sexual attraction is part of the package and not everything but its a very important part and without it there really is no relationship as such.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭messygirl


    Based on opinions here i would say it all boils down to how good he is in bed then,

    If he can make you scream he is a keeper, if you think about the funny things he said and concentrate on how his teeth are wonky while in the middle of it, i think its time to relegate him. (obviously Im not saying things should be great straight away but if he cant satisfy you in the sheets and you dont think he is attractive then are ye girlf/boyf or friends who kiss?!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    I dont think a relationship is actually a relationship without physical attraction.

    If you are not physically attracted then whats the point. You wont stay together.

    What will happen is you will stay with him for a while and try to artificially fake it maybe with slight success but then you will maybe meet someone who has the whole package and realise you are settling.....

    Its really doing him no favours either because its giving him false hope.

    I think sexual attraction is part of the package and not everything but its a very important part and without it there really is no relationship as such.

    So you only take looks into account when choosing someone to date :confused: What happens you when you're dating a brad pitt-a-like but he's as boring as chipped plywood, and the sense of humour of an undertaker at a trekkie convention, and then you see someone else who's not quite as good looking or sexually attractive but has the personality, charm, character and sense of humour, would you still feel you're only settling for looks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Saucey-Susie


    I think you should still give it a bash... you obviously get on really well and there is some attraction there, and i always find the more you know someone and like someone, the more attraction you have

    with my otherhalf, he was the complete opposite of what i went for, looks, age, career, everything, and i thought i would give it a short cos what i did go for never worked out for me. I remember saying to friends, he is lovely and everything but i dont know if i fancy him exactly! he is cute, but i dunno. but the more i got to know him and spend time with him, the more i fell in love with him and his looks and everything about him.

    Now, i feel like im the luckiest girl alive. I think he is physically gorgeous, he is hilarious, makes me laugh so much and he is so kind and caring to me too. he is everything i was looking for and im so happy i met him. Give him a chance :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭messygirl


    prinz wrote: »
    What happens you when you're dating a brad pitt-a-like but he's as boring as chipped plywood, and the sense of humour of an undertaker at a trekkie convention

    Haha where did you come up with that you mad yoke?! FANTASTIC!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    messygirl wrote: »
    Haha where did you come up with that you mad yoke?! FANTASTIC!


    I'm here all week ;) See how a bit of humour can bring people together :D and you haven't even seen the dashing good looks to go with it :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭messygirl


    YEah im actually disgusted when people think other people cant be good looking and have fantastic personalities when we have our own prinz charming! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Oh The Humanity


    prinz wrote: »
    So you only take looks into account when choosing someone to date :confused: What happens you when you're dating a brad pitt-a-like but he's as boring as chipped plywood, and the sense of humour of an undertaker at a trekkie convention, and then you see someone else who's not quite as good looking or sexually attractive but has the personality, charm, character and sense of humour, would you still feel you're only settling for looks?

    Nope. I never mentioned looks at all.

    Trying to define what makes a human want to jump another human is impossible. I NEVER pick men for looks by the way. Its personality all the way for me personally.

    But if they have a great personality but I am not attracted to them there is no point. Thats a friend not a lover.

    Sexual attraction is the chemistry between two people. Its either there or its not. If you don't feel sexually interested in someone then whats the point?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 Julietta


    Hi all

    Firstly, thanks so much for all the responses, I genuinely didn't expect so many and they are all really helpful - some posters have used the word repulsed.....I am nowhere even near repulsed by him, if this is ever the case then he'll be gone quick as you like, I am a bit puzzled by this relationship but not that puzzled :)

    I think the crux of the problem is that on the surface, he is just the complete opposite of most of the men I have dated previously, they would have been "handsome suits" with all the trappings and what I would have considered as "my type" - this man just isn't even close to that and I'm just overthinking/questioning eveything, to be honest I am really irritating myself with this! The initial meeting was a set up but I came away from our first date thinking "very nice but not for me"....but there was just something about him (v funny txts maybe!) that made me go on a second date....I dunno, maybe it is attraction but just not the kind of immediate physical attraction I've previously experienced? I'm not one to flog a dead horse or anything like it, I would normally be quite decisive, I'm just flummoxed a bit here!

    I really like the "slow burner" expression and I think this may be what this is, I am trying to rush it to follow the patterns of other relationships instead of letting it find it's own way and just enjoying it for what it is - if it doesn't work out then it doesn't work out, it's no biggie! Physically, although we are taking things slowly, we have done "stuff" and it was all good, very good in fact, so I reckon you (I) can't argue with that. He's away at the moment and every time my txt msg pings, I want it to be from him, it usually is and I'm inevitably giggling like a loon and replying straight away........I think because of the warm and fuzzy feeling I get from thinking about him, I expect to want to jump on him when I see him and over react when I don't and worry is it destined to be like this all the time....again with the overthinking!!

    Thanks again for all the replies, I will definitely not be ending things with him in the foreseeable future,

    J.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Nope. I never mentioned looks at all.
    Trying to define what makes a human want to jump another human is impossible. I NEVER pick men for looks by the way. Its personality all the way for me personally.But if they have a great personality but I am not attracted to them there is no point. Thats a friend not a lover.
    Sexual attraction is the chemistry between two people. Its either there or its not. If you don't feel sexually interested in someone then whats the point?


    I was friends with my OH for a few months before we started dating so to speak, during that time as friends I wasn't ready to 'jump' her. It was only later when I grew to want more than friendship that I thought to myself... yeah, I would! :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭messygirl


    Sorry to tell you hun but think looks dont matter in this case, warm fuzzy feelings and everything going great in the "stuff" department and wanting to talk to him, sounds like you answered your own questions! :)

    I never really had a type but if a guy is confident, makes me laugh, and makes me feel like the most beautiful person he knows then I know I'm onto a keeper (I'm very lucky that I'm with a guy like that) Sounds like you have the same so if you are having fun don't worry about attraction, keep on doing what you are doing cos it all sounds good! Im so jealous you are in the honeymoon period by the way, sigh! :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Oh The Humanity


    If your heart is skipping when you hear the texts beeping I think you like him!!!

    Delighted to hear he is not a 'suit with all the trappings' :D

    Best of luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    That was so lovely to read. All the best with it :)

    +1
    I found myself leaning my head to the right and saying Awwwhhhh.....

    Good luck Julietta,hope it works out for you, and him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    That was so lovely to read. All the best with it :)

    Fair play for giving it a shot. I read your post and didn't think, jaysus, she should dump that fella. There's posts on PI all the time from lads and ladies who feel nothing sexual for the OHs and I'd always advice them to leave the relationship instead of wasting both their time. If I felt there was no chance for both of you and that your post rang alarm bells, then I would honestly tell you to leave it but from what you wrote, there's SOMETHING there.

    As long as your honest with yourself, you should have no problem. Let the gut guide you, OP.

    The guys you went for in the past didn't work out for you obviously...maybe it's time to give a different type a shot now. Good luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Miss Fluff


    Julietta wrote: »
    I think the crux of the problem is that on the surface, he is just the complete opposite of most of the men I have dated previously, they would have been "handsome suits" with all the trappings and what I would have considered as "my type" - this man just isn't even close to that

    And it's interesting how your "type" never ended up being your "type" in the end;) I think this guy sounds great, and it's also great that the sexual chemistry is there too. He obviously likes you if he has been prepared to wait to sleep with you too.

    Stop over-analysing everything, I think it's time you got jiggy with it tbh, you won't question any of it then.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭VaioCruiser


    Hi OP.

    I guess what it all comes down to is what do we want out of life, and what do we do if we don't get all of it ... ?

    Mostly people compromise. But we need to make sure we are not compromising in the wrong areas, because some things are more important than others to different people.

    Men tend to be more into a good looking girl. They will often compromise on her other characteristics. Usually they regret it later, but not always. Many men enjoy having a good looking girl on their arm, even if they are a little bored by her. Women tend to be more personality based, but I have known several who chose good looking men only.

    However we are all different. And it is important to make sure you know what is important to you.

    I get the feeling from your posts that you do want to be attracted physically to your man... and that is OK !! Why not. It is an important part of life.

    What matters is . . . you chose what is important to YOU.

    All the best.


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