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Thailand first timer....Do's and Don't's!

  • 06-07-2009 10:33pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭


    Hi, heading to Thailand next week for the first time and I am just wondering if anybody could please give me some advice as to what not to do. I have never been to this part of the world before and am a little bit paranoid as we have all heard the stories about tourists getting in to trouble over there. I am not planning on going near any drugs or anything and just drinking and having fun. Anyway just want to make sure I keep a level head over there and not fall in to any tourist traps. So if anybody has anything they would like to advise I'd really appreciate it.
    Cheers


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Vanbis


    Don't bring your Passport, Wallett, Mobile or a Watch out with you where ever you go especially if you are drinking and keep away from locals ;). Only bring cash and small amounts and keep it all in your front pockets, no need to be brining loads of 50notes, its sooooo cheap. Id try and not eat anything you see on the corners.

    Enjoy the trip:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭jimmyneo1


    Vanbis wrote: »
    Don't bring your Passport, Wallett, Mobile or a Watch out with you where ever you go especially if you are drinking and keep away from locals ;). Only bring cash and small amounts and keep it all in your front pockets, no need to be brining loads of 50notes, its sooooo cheap. Id try and not eat anything you see on the corners.

    Enjoy the trip:)


    Jesus, by the way you've decribed it the OP might be too paranoid and just stay in his/her room for the whole trip. How narrow minded can you be?

    I've been to Thailand about three or four times, granted you do hear stories about the odd bad thing happening but overall its a very safe country with amazing people.
    Yes you shouldn't go out carrying all your valuables including your passport, that would be silly, but don't feel paranoid about carrying around a wallet or wearing your watch for gods sake. Not every Thai person is out to get you.

    As for not mixing with locals. I've spent many fun nights in Thailand and other parts of Asia were I was the only westerner. I've never felt unsafe or uncomfortable, young people there like to party and drink as much as us and just want to have fun and are happy to meet new people, they're not out to rob you.

    And as for the food, street vendors and street food is an excellent way of experiencing the country. Personally that's all I try and eat when im in that part of the world, occasionaly of course you will crave a burger but overall street/corner food is cheap and delicious. If you're not into Asian food thats fair enough but at least do try it.

    Let me guess Vanbis, you spent your whole trip in Thailand hanging out down the islands with Irish people and eating in McDonalds, good man yourself....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,555 ✭✭✭Gillington


    Thailand is one of the most beautiful parts of the world and that has ALOT to do with the people.Yeah granted there are a few horror stories but I was there for 2 months in total and only heard one bad story and that was at the Full Moon,but at a gathering of 10,000 people thats bound to happen.If you go around Thailand pissed out of your face flashing your wallet and money etc. you are asking for it the same as any other country.Just dont go in narrow minded and you will be fine,there will be loads of other westerners there that you can meet and hang around with them but try and experience the other side of it...do get a Tuk-tuk,do eat the street food its amazing and you will get the best noodle dish ever!!(Pad-Thai) for 20 baht,less then 50c! Do embrace the locals and have fun with them and of course have one or two buckets along the way! Enjoy this wonderful country mate in any and every way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    Hmmmmm, not sure what do's and don'ts I could suggest.

    I guess you should have a look at the common scams that occur in Thailand. You'd be suprised how often you hear the same stories so by reading up on them you could easily avoid them.

    Technically you are supposed to bring your passport around with you so I'd take a few photocopies and have one of those on you just in case it's needed. I never once had a problems with pickpocketers and I spent a lot of time in areas of bangkok where this is very common. No harm being aware of this in busy areas though.

    Mingle with the locals. When having street food then it's always a good idea to eat from a stall that is busy rather than quiet.

    The best advice is just have a bit of common sense, act as you would at home and everything should be fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭DeadMoney


    Thanks for the advice guys, I appreciate it! :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭RATM


    Sorry I have to say it cause no-one else has :pac:

    Check all potential lays for an adams apple or you could get more than you bargained for down below :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Fiii


    Thailand is an amazing country - you will have a blast!
    I was there for a month, and never had too much bother. There are a lot of 'scams' out there. Just read up in any travel book and you will know what to look out for.
    The paler you look, the more likely you are to fall victim to these scams. Just look like you know what you're doing and they will leave you alone.

    These are a few pearls of wisdom my friend gave to me when I was going, and some I discovered for myself. You might find them useful...


    At the airport:

    The best way to sort out money, I think, is to transfer money onto your credit card and then use it as an ATM card. There are ATMs all over Thailand - you'll have no problem finding or using them. You can use your Irish ATM card as well but they'll charge you for each transaction so you'll have to take out lots of money each time. If you do the credit card thing they don't charge you. You've got to make sure you don't go into your credit though as they'll charge loads on that.

    Getting to your guesthouse will be easy - there's a prepaid taxi service that's reasonably priced and you'll probably be a bit knackered so the comfort will be nice. As far as I can remember the prepaid taxi stand is right outside the door of the arrivals part...just be aware that there might be other more expensive taxi services trying to get you to go with them so if anyone asks you if you need a taxi say no and follow the signs for the prepaid taxi stand. If you can't find it, ask someone behind a desk (a bank or shop or something) in the airport.


    Bangkok - The Khao San road:

    I love the Khao San Road - always busy, full of people, food, drink and stuff to buy. As far as food goes, try the cheap Pad Thai (noodles) you can buy from the street vendors - very cheap and delicious! Also worth trying are the banana pancakes....and though it looks a bit gross do let them put condensed milk on the top - it's yummy. There are lots of restaurants and bars around Khao San too.

    One of the best things about the Khao San Road is the shopping - really cute and cheap clothes as well as CDs, books and god knows what else. CDs and books tend to have fixed prices. If you're buying CDs though, always get them to test it in front of you before you buy it - even if you're buying tewnty - just make time for it. It's not that they're trying to sell you duds, it's just hit and miss and if you find out one of your CDs doesn't work when you've got back to the guesthouse it'll be really hard to get them to change it unless they remember you and are feeling really kind.

    Apart from CDs and books, everything else you have to haggle for. They will probably quote you ridiculous prices when you first get there as you'll be tanless and very obviously new! It's a good idea to go aroud for the first while and just ask prices for things and then walk away and ask somewhere else, just to get a general idea of what prices they're asking for things. The general rule is, whatever price they say, you say half and you'll settle for something in between. Always good to have an idea of what you're willing to pay before you start. If you're buying more than one of anything you should definitely get a further discount.

    There really is NO point doing all your shopping when you arrive in Bangkok though, you will only have to carry all that junk around for the next few weeks. Fear not, it will all still be there when you get back, so my advise is to wait until your last day, the go wild ;)
    I have a special and top secret method for haggling - if you say 'I fly home tomorrow, this is all the money I have left' they tend to give you a bit more off ;)


    Tuk-tuks and taxis:

    If you want to do some sightseeing in Bangkok, tuk-tuks are a great way to go - different and a lot of fun. There are some scams to be aware of though. Decide where you want to go and don't accept anyone who a) tells you you can't go there because it's closed/it's Buddha's birthday/the Queen's birthday etc... or b)offers to bring you on their own special tour for a ridiculously low price. Basically, tuk-tuk drivers get petrol vouchers from shops to bring tourists to these shops. You can end up not going to the places you want to go to and being brought to a load of tailors and gem stone shops you don't want to go to. You'll probably be told there's no pressure to buy but shop owners will resent you for not buying stuff and the tuk tuk driver will resent you when you decide you've had enough. The best way to avoid this is to avoid any drivers that call out to you and especially any who tell you they'll take you anywhere for 10 baht. If you can, find the old guy dozing in his tuk tuk away from all the rest.

    With taxis, again try not to go for the ones who call out to you. If you go to the top of Soi Rambuttri there are usually a few there but you might be better flagging one down on the street. Before you get in, tell them where you're going and then ask them "metre?" if they say no, just let them go and flag down another. You will find one that will put on the metre and you'll just pay the normal price. Any who try to agree a fixed price are doing so because it'll be more than the metre. Basically, the guys who work the tourist area will all do this, but if you get one on the road who doesn't usually work the tourist area, he'll just put on the metre.


    Transport:

    Travelling around Thailand can take up a lot of time. It's never straightforward! For long journeys, if you have the money do look into flights - you can book these youself on the internet - they're easy to find - basically the Thai version of Ryanair. Apart from flying your options are bus or train. If you can afford it, go for the train rather than the bus. It's more reliable, more comfortable and faster. The overnight buses are not great but they're not awful. Once you get to your bus, you just have to accept that you have relinquished all control for the next 24 hours (or less. depending on where you're going) and you have to not stress and just accept that you'll get there when you get there. Things rarely leave or arrive when they say they will, the bus might break down a time or two and you might be shifted from one bus to another (and have to wait god knows where for an hour while this is happening). It's not as bad as it sounds - and it's the best way to meet people. And, things might have gotten better since I last did the overnight bus thing. I'd still recommend the train though. And even with the train, you will get shifted from train to bus to boat with no say. Someone will hand you a blue/yellow/pink sticker, you wear it, and then get put on the bus with the other pink stickers....you'll see what I mean. It can be a bit exhausting too so don't plan too much for the following day!

    I would recommend, for the reason that travelling takes up a lot of time, energy and money, that if you find somewhere you particularly like, do stay that extra day or two. It's very easy to spend half your time on buses just for the sake of covering the map!


    Security:

    While you're travelling your backpack may be put in another part of the bus/boat/etc..... assume that someone might go through it so don't leave anything valuable in it. They'll have no interest in your dirty knickers but make sure your camera is on you at all times. You can get good backpacks that zip all the way around - if you can, get one of these, as you can lock the zips together, just to be extra safe.
    If you think you might fall asleep, it might be a good idea to make sure your carry bag is strapped around you, and that your arm is covering the zip - if you sleep deep, lock it.
    This could just be my own paranoia, but when traveling in general (in Ireland/ Thailand/ Europe - anywhere!) I would just take these extra precautions.


    Accommodation:

    It's a good idea, if you can control it, to arrive anywhere in the morning. If you arrive in the afternoon a lot of places will already be booked up. If you want to book ahead it's not a bad idea....try travelfish.org for some really good, honest reviews of places. A lot of places won't take bookings though so if you are turning up with nothing booked, always ask to see the room before you book. They won't think it rude - they're used to it.
    An absolute must for me was my silk sleep sheet. It will be FAR too warm for a sleeping bag, so don't even bother, but a sleep sheet is small, easy to wash/ dry and also acts as a mosquito net! I got mine here: www.jagbags.co.nz
    You may get it cheaper elsewhere, but I found these guys really good, and the sheets are fab.



    Toilets:

    You can't flush the loo paper in a lot of places and some places don't even have loo paper so always carry some tissues. When you come across your first Thai squat toilet don't panic. I f you are a girl, try standing on it backwards....it's easier to aim and threre's something to hold on to if you lose your balance. And the hose is not the flush.....it's for cleaning your bum and if you try to flush the loo with it you'll just make a mess. There'll be a bucket of water with a cup in it. Just scoop up some wather and pour it into the loo. The water level equalises and that's how it flushes.


    I personally went to Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Koh Phangan, Koh Tao, Koh Phi Phi, Aon Nang and Ton Sai.

    Bangkok - 2/3 days here is more than enough to see everything.
    Chiang Mai - very warm with lots of mosquitos! Do a trek if you can. Lots of fun.
    Koh Phangan - awesome island! It's where the full moon party is, if you're into that kind of thing, but personally I found the half moon party to be a lot of fun, without all the messiness that the full moon brings.
    Koh Tao - this island is all about diving. If you are staying at a dive resort and are going to do a dive course (which i recommend you do!) go here. If you book a dive course, they will give you some money off the price of your room.
    Koh Phi Phi - alot of people told me before going that Phi Phi was awesome, alas, I did not think so. It seemed to me that the Tsunami did more damage than we knew - basically, because the island was destroyed, it seems business owners were in a rush to get up and running again, and all building was done hap-hazzardly. I felt like I was stepping into an episode of Ibiza Uncovered when I got off the boat. We left about 4hours after arriving, not wanting to stay any longer than that.
    Aon Nang - good for good food and shops.
    Ton Sai - awesome little rock climbing island. Jungle on one side of you, and ocean on the other - bliss!


    Enjoy your trip - I am very jealous! :)

    Fi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭DeadMoney


    Thanks so much Fiii, this is some amazing advice! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 james1983


    Fiii wrote: »
    Thailand is an amazing country - you will have a blast!
    I was there for a month, and never had too much bother. There are a lot of 'scams' out there. Just read up in any travel book and you will know what to look out for.
    The paler you look, the more likely you are to fall victim to these scams. Just look like you know what you're doing and they will leave you alone.

    These are a few pearls of wisdom my friend gave to me when I was going, and some I discovered for myself. You might find them useful...


    At the airport:

    The best way to sort out money, I think, is to transfer money onto your credit card and then use it as an ATM card. There are ATMs all over Thailand - you'll have no problem finding or using them. You can use your Irish ATM card as well but they'll charge you for each transaction so you'll have to take out lots of money each time. If you do the credit card thing they don't charge you. You've got to make sure you don't go into your credit though as they'll charge loads on that.

    Getting to your guesthouse will be easy - there's a prepaid taxi service that's reasonably priced and you'll probably be a bit knackered so the comfort will be nice. As far as I can remember the prepaid taxi stand is right outside the door of the arrivals part...just be aware that there might be other more expensive taxi services trying to get you to go with them so if anyone asks you if you need a taxi say no and follow the signs for the prepaid taxi stand. If you can't find it, ask someone behind a desk (a bank or shop or something) in the airport.


    Bangkok - The Khao San road:

    I love the Khao San Road - always busy, full of people, food, drink and stuff to buy. As far as food goes, try the cheap Pad Thai (noodles) you can buy from the street vendors - very cheap and delicious! Also worth trying are the banana pancakes....and though it looks a bit gross do let them put condensed milk on the top - it's yummy. There are lots of restaurants and bars around Khao San too.

    One of the best things about the Khao San Road is the shopping - really cute and cheap clothes as well as CDs, books and god knows what else. CDs and books tend to have fixed prices. If you're buying CDs though, always get them to test it in front of you before you buy it - even if you're buying tewnty - just make time for it. It's not that they're trying to sell you duds, it's just hit and miss and if you find out one of your CDs doesn't work when you've got back to the guesthouse it'll be really hard to get them to change it unless they remember you and are feeling really kind.

    Apart from CDs and books, everything else you have to haggle for. They will probably quote you ridiculous prices when you first get there as you'll be tanless and very obviously new! It's a good idea to go aroud for the first while and just ask prices for things and then walk away and ask somewhere else, just to get a general idea of what prices they're asking for things. The general rule is, whatever price they say, you say half and you'll settle for something in between. Always good to have an idea of what you're willing to pay before you start. If you're buying more than one of anything you should definitely get a further discount.

    There really is NO point doing all your shopping when you arrive in Bangkok though, you will only have to carry all that junk around for the next few weeks. Fear not, it will all still be there when you get back, so my advise is to wait until your last day, the go wild ;)
    I have a special and top secret method for haggling - if you say 'I fly home tomorrow, this is all the money I have left' they tend to give you a bit more off ;)


    Tuk-tuks and taxis:

    If you want to do some sightseeing in Bangkok, tuk-tuks are a great way to go - different and a lot of fun. There are some scams to be aware of though. Decide where you want to go and don't accept anyone who a) tells you you can't go there because it's closed/it's Buddha's birthday/the Queen's birthday etc... or b)offers to bring you on their own special tour for a ridiculously low price. Basically, tuk-tuk drivers get petrol vouchers from shops to bring tourists to these shops. You can end up not going to the places you want to go to and being brought to a load of tailors and gem stone shops you don't want to go to. You'll probably be told there's no pressure to buy but shop owners will resent you for not buying stuff and the tuk tuk driver will resent you when you decide you've had enough. The best way to avoid this is to avoid any drivers that call out to you and especially any who tell you they'll take you anywhere for 10 baht. If you can, find the old guy dozing in his tuk tuk away from all the rest.

    With taxis, again try not to go for the ones who call out to you. If you go to the top of Soi Rambuttri there are usually a few there but you might be better flagging one down on the street. Before you get in, tell them where you're going and then ask them "metre?" if they say no, just let them go and flag down another. You will find one that will put on the metre and you'll just pay the normal price. Any who try to agree a fixed price are doing so because it'll be more than the metre. Basically, the guys who work the tourist area will all do this, but if you get one on the road who doesn't usually work the tourist area, he'll just put on the metre.


    Transport:

    Travelling around Thailand can take up a lot of time. It's never straightforward! For long journeys, if you have the money do look into flights - you can book these youself on the internet - they're easy to find - basically the Thai version of Ryanair. Apart from flying your options are bus or train. If you can afford it, go for the train rather than the bus. It's more reliable, more comfortable and faster. The overnight buses are not great but they're not awful. Once you get to your bus, you just have to accept that you have relinquished all control for the next 24 hours (or less. depending on where you're going) and you have to not stress and just accept that you'll get there when you get there. Things rarely leave or arrive when they say they will, the bus might break down a time or two and you might be shifted from one bus to another (and have to wait god knows where for an hour while this is happening). It's not as bad as it sounds - and it's the best way to meet people. And, things might have gotten better since I last did the overnight bus thing. I'd still recommend the train though. And even with the train, you will get shifted from train to bus to boat with no say. Someone will hand you a blue/yellow/pink sticker, you wear it, and then get put on the bus with the other pink stickers....you'll see what I mean. It can be a bit exhausting too so don't plan too much for the following day!

    I would recommend, for the reason that travelling takes up a lot of time, energy and money, that if you find somewhere you particularly like, do stay that extra day or two. It's very easy to spend half your time on buses just for the sake of covering the map!


    Security:

    While you're travelling your backpack may be put in another part of the bus/boat/etc..... assume that someone might go through it so don't leave anything valuable in it. They'll have no interest in your dirty knickers but make sure your camera is on you at all times. You can get good backpacks that zip all the way around - if you can, get one of these, as you can lock the zips together, just to be extra safe.
    If you think you might fall asleep, it might be a good idea to make sure your carry bag is strapped around you, and that your arm is covering the zip - if you sleep deep, lock it.
    This could just be my own paranoia, but when traveling in general (in Ireland/ Thailand/ Europe - anywhere!) I would just take these extra precautions.


    Accommodation:

    It's a good idea, if you can control it, to arrive anywhere in the morning. If you arrive in the afternoon a lot of places will already be booked up. If you want to book ahead it's not a bad idea....try travelfish.org for some really good, honest reviews of places. A lot of places won't take bookings though so if you are turning up with nothing booked, always ask to see the room before you book. They won't think it rude - they're used to it.
    An absolute must for me was my silk sleep sheet. It will be FAR too warm for a sleeping bag, so don't even bother, but a sleep sheet is small, easy to wash/ dry and also acts as a mosquito net! I got mine here: www.jagbags.co.nz
    You may get it cheaper elsewhere, but I found these guys really good, and the sheets are fab.



    Toilets:

    You can't flush the loo paper in a lot of places and some places don't even have loo paper so always carry some tissues. When you come across your first Thai squat toilet don't panic. I f you are a girl, try standing on it backwards....it's easier to aim and threre's something to hold on to if you lose your balance. And the hose is not the flush.....it's for cleaning your bum and if you try to flush the loo with it you'll just make a mess. There'll be a bucket of water with a cup in it. Just scoop up some wather and pour it into the loo. The water level equalises and that's how it flushes.


    I personally went to Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Koh Phangan, Koh Tao, Koh Phi Phi, Aon Nang and Ton Sai.

    Bangkok - 2/3 days here is more than enough to see everything.
    Chiang Mai - very warm with lots of mosquitos! Do a trek if you can. Lots of fun.
    Koh Phangan - awesome island! It's where the full moon party is, if you're into that kind of thing, but personally I found the half moon party to be a lot of fun, without all the messiness that the full moon brings.
    Koh Tao - this island is all about diving. If you are staying at a dive resort and are going to do a dive course (which i recommend you do!) go here. If you book a dive course, they will give you some money off the price of your room.
    Koh Phi Phi - alot of people told me before going that Phi Phi was awesome, alas, I did not think so. It seemed to me that the Tsunami did more damage than we knew - basically, because the island was destroyed, it seems business owners were in a rush to get up and running again, and all building was done hap-hazzardly. I felt like I was stepping into an episode of Ibiza Uncovered when I got off the boat. We left about 4hours after arriving, not wanting to stay any longer than that.
    Aon Nang - good for good food and shops.
    Ton Sai - awesome little rock climbing island. Jungle on one side of you, and ocean on the other - bliss!


    Enjoy your trip - I am very jealous! :)

    Fi

    Some shocking advice in there!

    Koh San Road is the worst place i have ever being too, bar none. It is a tacky sh*t hole and everyone hates. Staying here will give you a bad impression of Thailand first off, unless you are under 20 and just want to get pi**ed 24/7 and act like an idiot. Generally EVERYBODY HATES KOH SAN ROAD - hence the reason most people dislike Bangkok.

    Don't worry about accomadation - you can and will always get a room morning,noon or night. If you travel about a bit you will probably arrive in most places in the morning though.

    Buses are the way to go - cheap and great way to meet people. Everyone takes a few Valium, falls asleep and wakes up in a new spot!

    If you are under 22 and ain't travelled that much follow your mums advice above! If you are a decent age and travelled a bit you will do like i did!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭waraf


    Don't go to the full moon party on Koh Phangan. It's so 90's and incredibly tacky.

    Do go diving. You can book dive trips before you leave Bangkok and many of the dive centres include accommodation in the price. Make sure you go to an authorised PADI dive centre (5 star if possible) though as there are some really dodgy dive shops in Thailand.

    Don't fall for the gem scam in Bangkok. Friendly American guy suddenly befriends you and tells you about the amazing one-day-only sale on gems. As the old saying goes, if it sounds too good to be true it usually is. Run a mile.

    Also, just chill out. If you've any common sense at all you'll be able to sense whether a place/situation is dodgy. Trust your instincts and you'll be grand.

    P.S. I'm really jealous. Thailand is fantastic


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Fiii


    james1983 wrote: »
    Some shocking advice in there!

    Koh San Road is the worst place i have ever being too, bar none. It is a tacky sh*t hole and everyone hates. Staying here will give you a bad impression of Thailand first off, unless you are under 20 and just want to get pi**ed 24/7 and act like an idiot. Generally EVERYBODY HATES KOH SAN ROAD - hence the reason most people dislike Bangkok.

    Don't worry about accomadation - you can and will always get a room morning,noon or night. If you travel about a bit you will probably arrive in most places in the morning though.

    Buses are the way to go - cheap and great way to meet people. Everyone takes a few Valium, falls asleep and wakes up in a new spot!

    If you are under 22 and ain't travelled that much follow your mums advice above! If you are a decent age and travelled a bit you will do like i did!

    Please do point out where I said to 'stay' on the Koh San road.
    It's good for shopping and meeting people, I never said stay there.
    If you are going to quote me, do it right.

    Take some valium on your trip? Are you kidding? You miss the whole journey then! Talking to people, taking in the sights etc. A great shame if you ask me.

    As for "if you are under 22 and ain't travelled that much follow your mums advice above! If you are a decent age and travelled a bit you will do like i did!", I am 26 years old and have, as you say, "travelled a bit" and had an amazing time everywhere I went. But cheers for being so condescending.

    We clearly had 2 very different experiences in Thailand, fair enough. I enjoyed my time immensely and all my advice up there is pretty sound.
    The OP will no doubt have their own experience, all I am trying to do is give some bits of advise I picked up along the way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 james1983


    Fiii wrote: »
    Please do point out where I said to 'stay' on the Koh San road.
    It's good for shopping and meeting people, I never said stay there.
    If you are going to quote me, do it right.

    Take some valium on your trip? Are you kidding? You miss the whole journey then! Talking to people, taking in the sights etc. A great shame if you ask me.

    As for "if you are under 22 and ain't travelled that much follow your mums advice above! If you are a decent age and travelled a bit you will do like i did!", I am 26 years old and have, as you say, "travelled a bit" and had an amazing time everywhere I went. But cheers for being so condescending.

    We clearly had 2 very different experiences in Thailand, fair enough. I enjoyed my time immensely and all my advice up there is pretty sound.
    The OP will no doubt have their own experience, all I am trying to do is give some bits of advise I picked up along the way.

    Ah be fair now - your advice is like an ol lades guide to travelling.

    Koh San Road is awful - staying there,drinking there,etc. The night markets are much better up in Chiang Mai for shopping. I don't think i did say you said stay there but i could be wrong.

    Your tavelling at night on the bus - you don't see anything as its pitch black so take your Valium and sleep! Most people do take something to help them sleep.

    Anyway we shall have to agree to disagree!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭DeadMoney


    james1983 wrote: »
    Some shocking advice in there!

    Koh San Road is the worst place i have ever being too, bar none. It is a tacky sh*t hole and everyone hates. Staying here will give you a bad impression of Thailand first off, unless you are under 20 and just want to get pi**ed 24/7 and act like an idiot. Generally EVERYBODY HATES KOH SAN ROAD - hence the reason most people dislike Bangkok.

    Don't worry about accomadation - you can and will always get a room morning,noon or night. If you travel about a bit you will probably arrive in most places in the morning though.

    Buses are the way to go - cheap and great way to meet people. Everyone takes a few Valium, falls asleep and wakes up in a new spot!

    If you are under 22 and ain't travelled that much follow your mums advice above! If you are a decent age and travelled a bit you will do like i did!

    For the past 3 weeks I have been hearing how "horrible" Bangkok is or how "Amazing" it is from other people. No matter where you go in the world people are always going to have varying perceptions of the place based on their own experience and their personality also. I don't like the way you slated Kiii and called his advice bad just because you did not agree. You probably have a totally different idea of fun than he does and you should not just dismiss everything that was posted as being "bad advice".

    I would consider bad advice to to be along the lines of "buy drugs off strangers at Full moon or "make sure and bring home some weed in your bag" etc. Just coz you had a bad experience in the Kohsan road doesn't mean that "everyone hates it". Yes you and your friends maybe but not everyone! Anyway thanks for your addition to the thread and I'll be sure and keep well away from all the things like getting drunk, parties, having sex, popular hostel resorts etc.

    P.s, lol @ 22yrs of age being the barrier to adult maturity........that just can't be correct! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Fiii


    james1983 wrote: »
    Ah be fair now - your advice is like an ol lades guide to travelling.

    Koh San Road is awful - staying there,drinking there,etc. The night markets are much better up in Chiang Mai for shopping. I don't think i did say you said stay there but i could be wrong.

    Your tavelling at night on the bus - you don't see anything as its pitch black so take your Valium and sleep! Most people do take something to help them sleep.

    Anyway we shall have to agree to disagree!

    Indeed we shall.

    The night market in Chiang Mai are great, but noone really has their last stop in Chiang Mai, which would mean carting all that stuff around. Better to do it on your last stop, and it will def be cheaper on Koh San.

    Fair enough, you don't see much on a night bus, but you can still chat to people.

    I really don't see how any of it was 'ol ladies' to be honest, but yeah, agree to disagree.

    OP, if you do do a dive course, I recommend Bans. Good instructors (ones I had anyway - ask for Mel if shes still there :) ) and a good atmosphere.
    I've heard good things about Buddha View too.

    Glowing has a cool blog about her travels. Maybe PM her and she will link you to it :)

    p.s OP, I'm a girl ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 james1983


    Fiii wrote: »
    Indeed we shall.

    The night market in Chiang Mai are great, but noone really has their last stop in Chiang Mai, which would mean carting all that stuff around. Better to do it on your last stop, and it will def be cheaper on Koh San.

    Fair enough, you don't see much on a night bus, but you can still chat to people.

    I really don't see how any of it was 'ol ladies' to be honest, but yeah, agree to disagree.

    OP, if you do do a dive course, I recommend Bans. Good instructors (ones I had anyway - ask for Mel if shes still there :) ) and a good atmosphere.
    I've heard good things about Buddha View too.

    Glowing has a cool blog about her travels. Maybe PM her and she will link you to it :)

    p.s OP, I'm a girl ;)

    Shocker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭breadmonkey


    James, I think Fiii gave a lot of truly excellent advice on many aspects of travel in Thailand and we could all do without your unnecessary and frankly, annoying, comments about it being "old lady advice".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43 eolair


    Fiii's advice is good.

    Bangkok is what you make of it. It can be a terrible sh1tehole and many ppl scarper out of there as fast as they possibly can, or it can be an incredibly diverse challenging place with many interesting people and places. I had to spend two weeks in the city (dont ask) and initially reacted as many ppl do - but with a bit of effort I found it unexpectedly rewarding. One of the best ways to get around the city fast is to use the water canal taxis. The drop off points can be hard to find, but a journey that could literally take an hour or two by tuk tuk may take only 15-20 minutes.

    KS Road is worth a visit and some shopping. One of the hotels has a roof top pool - which is a very welcome relief. Street food is great if cooked hot in front of you.

    Thai ppl are actually v conservative and polite. Show them you have manners, don't dress like a vagabond, and make an effort to talk - they'll respond in spades.

    Chang Mai is chilled. Eagle Guest House is run by an Irish woman (ask to stay at Hotel I, not II). She also arranges 3-5 day hiking trips into the national forest - well worth it.

    Khao Lak is great for diving. Can also recommend the Sea Dragon centre for diving course - run by europeans, and strong on safety - not all schools are. ProTip - when learning to dive, don't forget to breath under water.

    Make sure you have your anti malerials sorted before you arrive. If necessary, keep taking them after you return. People regularly die from forgetting/not bothering. Bring a good mosquito net. Bring a good DEET-based spray. Get yourslef a sleep-bag liner. Cotton is cheaper but bulkier and hotter. Silk FTW - costs more but is very light and can be regularly washed and dried in a single day. Trust me, after sleeping in some less than glam places, you'll be glad of one to have between you and the skanky sheets.

    Have a blast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭shoutman


    Rooftop pool place that eolair is talking about is http://www.khaosan-hotels.com/

    I've booked in and will be arriving on the 27th so will update with a report on it if people want.

    I've also gone and purchased a silk sheet as recommended by fiji.

    Great advice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 james1983


    shoutman wrote: »
    Rooftop pool place that eolair is talking about is http://www.khaosan-hotels.com/

    I've booked in and will be arriving on the 27th so will update with a report on it if people want.

    I've also gone and purchased a silk sheet as recommended by fiji.

    Great advice.

    LOL. Waste of money and only extra weight. You won't even need one if you do a jungle trek.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Fiii


    james1983 wrote: »
    LOL. Waste of money and only extra weight. You won't even need one if you do a jungle trek.

    Shows what you know frankly - a silk sleep sheet weights about as much as a sheet of paper, and folds into a pouch about the size of your hand. :rolleyes:

    And OP, if you do a proper jungle trek in Chiang Mai mountains, you will freeze your butt off, regardless of how warm it is during the day, believe me! So if they offer you blankets/ sleeping bags when you get up there, even if they charge for them...TAKE ONE! You'll thank me, I promise.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,939 ✭✭✭mikedragon32


    James1983, criticising other posters' advice isn't very constructive and makes me wonder if you're just trolling. The comment re old ladies advice really does you no favours. Another post like that and you're looking at a ban.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭BaRcOe


    Do what this Guy did


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭iheartthailand


    james1983 wrote: »
    Some shocking advice in there!

    Koh San Road is the worst place i have ever being too, bar none. It is a tacky sh*t hole and everyone hates. Staying here will give you a bad impression of Thailand first off, unless you are under 20 and just want to get pi**ed 24/7 and act like an idiot. Generally EVERYBODY HATES KOH SAN ROAD - hence the reason most people dislike Bangkok.

    Don't worry about accomadation - you can and will always get a room morning,noon or night. If you travel about a bit you will probably arrive in most places in the morning though.

    Buses are the way to go - cheap and great way to meet people. Everyone takes a few Valium, falls asleep and wakes up in a new spot!

    If you are under 22 and ain't travelled that much follow your mums advice above! If you are a decent age and travelled a bit you will do like i did!


    ignore this post. do not take valium on a bus-thats asking to be robbed (altho this is unlikely). we also meet a really nice guy on the bus to chang mai whom stayed with us for a bit and we still keep in contact with :). i agree with jimmyneo, and fiii has some reli good advice, apart from the bit about phi phi imo. phi phi was my favourite place, i just loved the laid back vibe and how i was so tiny! seems like i was there a bit after fii was tho.

    a lot of people dont like bangkok-me and my friends loved it! and we stayed on koh san rd most of the time! shamrock bar (yes i know..an irish bar) is great fun, there was an absolutely brilliant band there every night we were there throughout our 7 week stay, the place has a great atmosphere and u'll meet people from all over the world there (not just irish) as well as some thai's.

    generally i would avoid what i call the "package holiday" places of phuket and koh samui. lots of prostitutes and quite expensive.

    koh phanagan-as some other people wrote, if your not into getting drunk and partying avoid, otherwise you'll have a great time! make sure u get there a good few nights before the actual full moon-some of the best nights are leading up to it!

    koh tao is gorgeous. we did a diving course at bans that we booked over the net when we were in koh phanagan. it was amazing!

    me and my friends werent overly safe while we there and never had any problems. we ate from street vendors, comsumed copious amounts of ice everyday and got ridiculously drunk. thai whiskey buckets are the best! thailand is a safe place...dont listen to the second poster-u'd swear he was talking about columbia! when your travelling keep your valuables on u(like u wud anywhere), stick together...and if a deal seems to good to be true it probably is!

    also thai pancakes-YUM!!!!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    It's funny how Kho San get's a bad reputation as being a place to avoid and not an indication of thailand/bangkok yet it's quite a popular place for local Thais to go and enjoy the nightlife there.

    I've gone to numerous places (gazebo/the club/silk bar/shamrock/immortal/accoustic rooftop venue/lava) with a few different groups of Thai friends and have always enjoyed it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Fiii


    ignore this post. do not take valium on a bus-thats asking to be robbed (altho this is unlikely). we also meet a really nice guy on the bus to chang mai whom stayed with us for a bit and we still keep in contact with :). i agree with jimmyneo, and fiii has some reli good advice, apart from the bit about phi phi imo. phi phi was my favourite place, i just loved the laid back vibe and how i was so tiny! seems like i was there a bit after fii was tho.

    a lot of people dont like bangkok-me and my friends loved it! and we stayed on koh san rd most of the time! shamrock bar (yes i know..an irish bar) is great fun, there was an absolutely brilliant band there every night we were there throughout our 7 week stay, the place has a great atmosphere and u'll meet people from all over the world there (not just irish) as well as some thai's.

    generally i would avoid what i call the "package holiday" places of phuket and koh samui. lots of prostitutes and quite expensive.

    koh phanagan-as some other people wrote, if your not into getting drunk and partying avoid, otherwise you'll have a great time! make sure u get there a good few nights before the actual full moon-some of the best nights are leading up to it!

    koh tao is gorgeous. we did a diving course at bans that we booked over the net when we were in koh phanagan. it was amazing!

    me and my friends werent overly safe while we there and never had any problems. we ate from street vendors, comsumed copious amounts of ice everyday and got ridiculously drunk. thai whiskey buckets are the best! thailand is a safe place...dont listen to the second poster-u'd swear he was talking about columbia! when your travelling keep your valuables on u(like u wud anywhere), stick together...and if a deal seems to good to be true it probably is!

    also thai pancakes-YUM!!!!!!!!!

    Glad to hear you enjoyed Phi Phi. :)
    Maybe I got there too early, or too late. I was there Jan '08. Hopefully it has improved since then.

    As for eating from the street vendors and having lots of ice etc, we did this too and never had a problem at all.
    The vendors do the BEST food! :)

    Oh, and if you don't already love pineapple, you will after going to Thailand ;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    james1983 wrote: »
    LOL. Waste of money and only extra weight. You won't even need one if you do a jungle trek.

    Sorry but after doing a 3 months trip of South East Asia before this would be one of the first things I would take with me again. It weighs nothing!

    TBH looking at your posts, I dont think you have left your parents house nevermind the country before


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    If you are going to Chang Mai, take the overnight train (google seat61) or fly with air asia. It not much more than than the bus. Both modes are faster and if you take the train you get to sleep in a bed and meet other people much easier. If you fly you will be there in an hour. Bus is about 18 hours.. train about 12 hours

    I did the train and was worth it! You get to relax while waking up next morning looking out into the jungle of north thailand. Beers are served to you all night if you want.

    Trains are by far and away the best way to travel anywhere!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭blondie83


    Have to agree with Jank there, overnight train is the way to go! I got one from Bangkok up to Vientienne in Laos which was very interesting. Think I paid maybe about 10 euro or something for a 13 hour journey! You'll get a comfy bunk and curtain for privacy (I went 2nd class which was grand). One thing I'll say is pay the extra euro or so for air con. I couldnt as the carrige was full, so we had to leave the window open a bit for air.

    Also have to say I liked the Kao San Road. I'm 26, and wasn't looking to get drunk all the time, but I thought it had a great buzz about it at night!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭purcela


    Jank/Blondie/anyone else who might know,

    Any idea if there is an overnight train from Phuket to Chiang Mai?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭blondie83


    purcela wrote: »
    Jank/Blondie/anyone else who might know,

    Any idea if there is an overnight train from Phuket to Chiang Mai?

    Hi Purcela, had a look on seat 61 and the Thailand rail site for you (they're the two I used). It seems there's no direct rail from Phuket, but you can get a bus to the Surat Thani rail station, then a 12 hour train journey to bangkok, then it's another 12 hour journey to Chang Mai. These could probably be broken up though, so do the first one overnight, spend the day relaxing/shopping in Bangkok, and then do the second one overnight as well. There's about 10 different departure times for each trip daily, so you should find something you want.

    For more info have a look at:
    http://www.seat61.com/Thailand.htm and
    http://www.railway.co.th/English/Time_HTML.asp (Southern and northern line, prices at bottom in Thai Baht).

    I'd say it would cost about €25 for an AC sleeper for both trips, but that's not bad considering its a 24 hour trip! Hope this helps :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭iheartthailand


    not sure if it was already mentioned but where can i find one of these silk sheets???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Doc


    not sure if it was already mentioned but where can i find one of these silk sheets???

    Any market in SE Asia.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭iheartthailand


    thanks doc but what about here in ireland (dublin)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭purcela


    has anybody done one of the jungle treks in chiang mai before? is there a specific website or anything that you would recommend?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43 eolair


    yes - i did one.

    Organised by the irish woman who owns/runs the eagle guest house. they do 1/3/5 day trips. you get to stay in villages, meet and eat (with) the locals, and do hiking/rafting/elephant. well run, and locals received us well. her trips also take you into deeper parts of the national park, instead of just skirting the edges.


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