Life sucks as a foreigner

beya2009

Life really sucks as a foreigner. In a years time I will be finished my studies for good in Ireland and unfortunately, my 6 years here in Ireland could come 2 an end just like that.

Immigration just expect you 2 pack ur bags back to where u came from even though u hav started a life here..makin m8 and all. Unis dont mind cos we pay them a fortune in fees.

But im confident im gonna get a works permit in a years time and carry on with my life here.

kelle

I did all my training in London. It was for four years and I made a lot of friends. I would have hated if I was expected to return back to where I came from after that, I was delighted I could stay on and work esp as there was very little work in Ireland and my college friends were still there.

However, the friends started to get fed-up of London and move away, and so did I. As I was working long hours I didn't meet other people. I managed to get a job in Dublin and away I went. I've never looked back.

I hope you do well in your finals, and all the best in whatever you decide to do.

devereaux17

where you from?

LimeFruitGum

Can you start applying for citizenship as well?

tbh

beya2009 wrote: »

Life really sucks as a foreigner. In a years time I will be finished my studies for good in Ireland and unfortunately, my 6 years here in Ireland could come 2 an end just like that.

Immigration just expect you 2 pack ur bags back to where u came from even though u hav started a life here..makin m8 and all. Unis dont mind cos we pay them a fortune in fees.

But im confident im gonna get a works permit in a years time and carry on with my life here.

I hope you get to stay here too, if that's what you want. I'm going to be a bit of a dick here, tho, and say that you knew what the terms were when you came here, you know? I know it's unrealistic to expect you not to form relationships etc, but be fair - nobody sprung this on you. You knew what the terms were when you signed up to the deal. But I do hope you get what you want

mike65

tbh, in rare 'being a dick' moment

The poor fellas/lassies life has evolved, that happens.

Mena

LimeFruitGum wrote: »

Can you start applying for citizenship as well?

Years resident in Ireland as a student do not count toward the 5 year residency requirement for citizenship.

To the OP, good luck, I know how you feel. I really hope it works out for you.

beya2009

Hi kelle,

"However, the friends started to get fed-up of London and move away, and so did I. As I was working long hours I didn't meet other people. I managed to get a job in Dublin and away I went. I've never looked back."

Thank you. This is the sort of inspiration im looking for! I lived in England for like 10 years in primary and secondary school and made some great friends there. To this date..there is so many m8s I still have contact with. But coming to Ireland has been great for me...no looking back what so ever.

I have everything planned out but whether it works is another thing. Im doin the PGDE for Business at NUI Galway this Sept for the year and when im finished that around May I will apply for the 6 months graduate work program which will enable me to try and get a job offer from a school so I can be given a work permit. Im not kidding myself on how difficult it will be especially during this recession where there are so many teachers now but sure im not spending all that money for the PGDE if I did not believe I can get work here.

Hi devereaux17

"where you from?" Im originally from Nigeria but left there when I was 9 to go to school in England.

Hi LimeFruitGum

"Can you start applying for citizenship as well?" No I cant as unfortunately you cannot apply for long term residency if you are a student as the years do not count towards it. But if I get a work permit and work here for 5 years I can get citizenship:) I am 25 years now so I hope thngs work out.

Hi tbh,

Thank you for your honest comments. Eeverything you said is correct..your made aware that you have 2 support yourself through ur college years here and so on but when I came here it was immigration that informed my late step father about this...he never told me any of that (I guess he just wanted me to get on with my studies). I found out for myself and now see the bigger picture. I was naive to think when I am qualified..everything would be rosey and I can just get a job. But at least now I know what I have to do. i simply have 2 get a work permit and fortunately, teaching meets their criteria for getting a work permit here.

Im not looking for a sympathy here as I see the logic to how the process works. The thing is living here has been the best thing that ever happened in my life. I have strong irish ties here too which is another reason im so comfortable here. My late step father was from Kilkenny and my 2 brothers and sister were born in Wexford.

devereaux17

WELL BEYA I HOPE THINGS WORK OUT FOR U

lynsalot

I often wonder if ppl growing up in developed countries don't appreciate how lucky they are. (That's not to presume that you were at the pits of poverity in Nigeria OP - sorry if I'm offending you - I'm not trying to)

The thing is, I can't understand why we're forced to create these barriers to ppl who want to work/learn live. If i was given an opportunity in a foreign country which wasn't available to me here, I'd take it and yes I might have to agree to the terms to leave as soon as I have qualification but it's naive to think that I won't have made friends, created a life in the country that would be pretty hard to give up.

You're studying to gain a qualification to work (presumably) so once you're paying your taxes I think it's unfair to send you home. Hopefully you get your working visa when you're finished and can work towards citizenship. I once had a friend who was working here for 50 months and her employer let her go. She wouldn't be taken on in another job because the visa wasn't renewed in time. She was 6 months short of citizenship and almost had to go home. She's been working here for 5 years... it's sad to think she'd be expected to up and leave like that.

OP you said you lived in England? Wouldn't u have citizenship there? And therefore be free to work and live in Ireland - I haven't a clue I'm just wondering.

Good luck. Hope it works out!!!
All the best
Lindsay

devereaux17

i agree with that tbh especially in the op's case. now i know the op mentioned he/she wanted to be a teacher which is probably an industry which has too many graduates atm but the op seems like a valuable member of society who has integrated with people and a person like this should be allowed to stay and i don't care what anyone else says.

wingknot

devereaux17 wrote: »

i agree with that tbh especially in the op's case. now i know the op mentioned he/she wanted to be a teacher which is probably an industry which has too many graduates atm but the op seems like a valuable member of society who has integrated with people and a person like this should be allowed to stay and i don't care what anyone else says.

is this a personal issue or Pro immigration ?

experiMental

It took me eight and a half years for me to get my citizanship. I was in secondary school, and completely sh*tting myself, I was way too afraid to go to a place like a club or a bar and couldn't get a job. I eventually got my citizenship about 5 years ago, but trying to catch up on all that I have missed is pretty depressing and pointless.

I could have done so much if I would be a bit more pro-active about understanding the system and not being afraid to get in a little bit of trouble to achieve my goal.

mikemac

So OP, you moved to England when you were 9 and then started your college Education in Ireland?

Surely if you were in England from maybe age 9 to 18, you'd have some rights to English (British is probably a better term) citizenship?

You knew the terms when you signed up to college in Ireland and they haven't changed.

But maybe a better solution for you is get British citzenship and you can go anywhere in the EU, even here
I know zero about the process, it's just what struck me about your post

beya2009

Hi devereaux17

"WELL BEYA I HOPE THINGS WORK OUT FOR U" Thank you:)

Hi lynsalot

" I often wonder if ppl growing up in developed countries don't appreciate how lucky they are. (That's not to presume that you were at the pits of poverity in Nigeria OP - sorry if I'm offending you - I'm not trying to)"

lol no offense taken at all. i was lucky enough to have not been living through poverty so I always try not to taker anything for granted. I was in a good primary school in England and was in a private secondary school in Bath (its the reason why my English is so good I guess).

Yeah thats the part that scares me like. I have made so many friends over here. There is no doubt in my mind Ireland is the friendliest country I have ever lived in. I can remember my first day in waterford where I didn't have a clue how 2 get 2 WIT and yet everyone I talked 2 for directeions were so warm and understanding.

And lynsalot, unfortunately I cannot get citizenship for England as I was on a student visa while I was in England which did not permit me 2 get citizenship. When I was 16 my late step dad tryed to persuade me 2 finish my schooling and third level in Ireland but I refused because the thoughts of strating from square one and leaving my friends was too much to bare. But in hindsight, if I did, my immigration status would be fine now as I would still have been a minor and as my step father was my legal guardian..I would have got a different stamp on my passport.

The funny thing is..I doubt my 2 brothers and sisters realise how lucky they are. All three have irish passports so they can just enjoy life basically. My mother has stamp 4 on her passport as my late step father was her partner and my aunt has stamp as she is married to an Irish so in all reality..Im the only one in the family that is in a sticky patch in terms of immigration status. Unfortuntaely strong Irish ties counts for nothing when ur over the age of 18.

Ultimately, when I hopefully complete my PGDE, even if I cant get a bob here in Ireland I will try and get one in England and maybe in England there might be more opportunities there.

rupamede

And even if they did count, you'd be paying nearly 1000 euros to become an irish citizen.

Mena wrote: »

Years resident in Ireland as a student do not count toward the 5 year residency requirement for citizenship.

To the OP, good luck, I know how you feel. I really hope it works out for you.

rupamede

A few weeks ago my friend from the Phillippines told me something that really disgusted me about the way the Irish treat people when they are foreigners in this country.

She is actually married to an Irishman for sometime and she's been working in Ireland for a few years too - thus paying her taxes like any Irish citizen - still she is not a citizen yet, although she is married to an Irishman!

But let me go straight to the point. They are buying a house and applied for a mortgage. In order to get this mortgage, my friend had to go through an HIV test, a full blood count and a thorough health check up with many embarrassing questions (of intimate nature) for the Life Insurance. Her husband did NOT because he is IRISH so he was automatically not required to do any tests!!!

It is like they are just doing things much more difficult for foreigners in Ireland, which does not seem fair, does it? As if they expect you to either give up or suffer here...

The doctor she went to works for the Insurance company. I was appalled when I saw her arms and especially her wrists. The doctor in question - an amateur like many in Ireland - had not been successful in taking the TWO TUBES of blood from my friend on her arm, he had to use her wrists and take blood from there!!!

I am an European and I also would like to buy house in Ireland and stay here but recent events are making me think twice, especially this episode that happened to my friend...

I dont think I want to stay in a country where Life Insurance discriminate you because you are a foreigner when you are paying the same tax as an Irish citizen. The whole thing just does not seem to be fair, does it?

I know I am going to get nasty replies from Irish posters telling if you dont like this country go away as this has happened to me before on boards.ie but I just thought I had to say it and of course those rude coward remarks will be totally ignored for what they are.

Thanks.

tbh

I know I am going to get nasty replies from Irish posters telling if you dont like this country go away as this has happened to me before on boards.ie but I just thought I had to say it and of course those rude coward remarks will be totally ignored for what they are.

Thanks.

remarks like this do you mean?

The doctor in question - an amateur like many in Ireland - had not been successful in taking the TWO TUBES of blood from my friend on her arm, he had to use her wrists and take blood from there!!!

I had the same problem in hospital recently, and it was an Indian doctor. Does that give me the right to slag off Indian doctors?

I have diabetes, and to get life assurance involves me jumping through massive hoops. It's the same in every country.

rupamede

Boards.ie should NOT be a place for posters to attack each other and see who wins the best argument and who has the last word. I have seen a lot of that in here. Those posts are not helpful and will be ignored.

What I am reporting is trully a discrimination issue! Perhaps you're Irish and you have suffered discrimination too for your sexual orientation, health issues, etc. Discrimination should not be allowed anywhere and this is what my post tries to debate. Instead of attacking the poster to say you have also been discriminated and that's life get over it I do not think is helpful and if we do not stick together against the way companies and institutions discriminate then nothing will ever be done.

tbh wrote: »

remarks like this do you mean?



I had the same problem in hospital recently, and it was an Indian doctor. Does that give me the right to slag off Indian doctors?

I have diabetes, and to get life assurance involves me jumping through massive hoops. It's the same in every country.

Amalgam

True equality means a level playing field, not one where there are protective practices against voicing an opinion on someone that might not think or act the same way as you do.

If someone wants to voice their prejudice and ramblings on boards, about irish doctors, fine. But let someone else call you to task on that, without having colour or religion used as a teflon shield.

That isn't the way things are moving, as a result of which you will always have prejudice.

tbh

rupamede wrote: »

Boards.ie should NOT be a place for posters to attack each other and see who wins the best argument and who has the last word. I have seen a lot of that in here. Those posts are not helpful and will be ignored.

What I am reporting is trully a discrimination issue! Perhaps you're Irish and you have suffered discrimination too for your sexual orientation, health issues, etc. Discrimination should not be allowed anywhere and this is what my post tries to debate. Instead of attacking the poster to say you have also been discriminated and that's life get over it I do not think is helpful and if we do not stick together against the way companies and institutions discriminate then nothing will ever be done.

I accept that, and I'm not defending the system. What I'm saying to you is that if your point is important to you, you should be careful about how you make it.

You say:

Discrimination should not be allowed anywhere and this is what my post tries to debate


right after you say:

The doctor in question - an amateur like many in Ireland - had not been successful in taking the TWO TUBES of blood from my friend on her arm, he had to use her wrists and take blood from there!!!

Which is discrimination. You see?

beya2009

wow..I did not post this thread with the intention of causing any controversy..I just wanted 2 express my situation in a manner that was fair and unbiased. The support and replies I have received here is a source of inspiration and Im confident everything will work out for me.

Hi rupamede,

Im very sorry to hear that your recent experience in an Irish context has been a negative one and you hold a lot of fruit into what your saying. Despite this however, I think the point tbh was trying to get across is the contradiction in your statement.

You say its unethical to discriminate which I 100% agree with yet the incident with the Irish doctor that you deemed incompetent...you have generalised and ultimately discriminated against Irish doctors by saying that most doctors in Ireland are amatuers so some people might deem that as offensive.

I do sympathise with your experience...trust me on that one and SOMETIMES I do feel there is an unwanted stereotype about foreigners that can make life difficult. Then again, its just the way things are. Take night clubs for instance..I bet my life on it you will always find a black person working in the toilets as they cant get jobs. Situtations like this contribute to the stereotype in my opinion.

But like I said before, in my opinion, the irish are the most friendliest and caring people I have ever come accross in my life.

asdasd

The thing is, I can't understand why we're forced to create these barriers to ppl who want to work/learn live

Life insurance is a private industry. They access risks. The risk ( say of HIV) is dependent on factors including where you come from.

asdasd

Take night clubs for instance..I bet my life on it you will always find a black person working in the toilets as they cant get jobs. Situtations like this contribute to the stereotype in my opinion.

There is anothter factor at work there - the use of white guilt to get money from people. I bet a lot of people would ignore the guys in the loo were they blond eyed germans, but feel guilty about black people.

Really there is no need for that job at all.

Amalgam

beya2009 wrote: »

Take night clubs for instance..I bet my life on it you will always find a black person working in the toilets as they cant get jobs. Situtations like this contribute to the stereotype in my opinion.

No one forces a person with coloured skin to take that job, the person is there by their own choice and judgement.

skooterblue

At the risk of sounding Fascist, In the 50 to 80 the only people who came here were Refugees from real places like Vietnam and Hungary who were integrated into society and the business man who invested a million here and there and the odd nephew of a despot, (I would just like to thank them for their custom).
We got direct investment for new and ailing companies and they got a second passport.

Now it seems during the 90's it became a real haven to come have a child and have life living off the social welfare. It was joining the Army the first day meeting the Quarter master sergeant :
"New passport"
"Check"
"New social welfare"
"Check"
"New Identity"
"Check"
"New Housing, free gratis "
"Check"
"Free Car"
"Check"
"Free courses"
"Check"

Before anyone say what a racist. I have many friends who I work with from Poland, South Africa, Rhodesia Hungary, France, Vietnam, Germany, Holland and Romania (please do not equate hard working Romanian citizens with Romany gypsies). Most of my Polish friends when they came here could barely speak English but knew how to ask the way to recruitment agency. They worked as hard as any Irish person I know and harder, sometimes for less and were happy. All these people contribute to the economy. I have studied with Croatian refugess and were tops on their courses. All the ever talked about was going back to their country and rebuilding it. These are genuine refugees with genuine vision.

An Irish passport and citizenship is golden and should not be bandied about to every person who asks for it. Many a time an Irish passport has saved a person life made a border crossing easier or made a diplomatic intervention possible. Examples of this were that Irish journalist in Iraq bad examples were the British Engineer and Aid workers in Iraq. Although I felt for them and their families they were caught in the wrong place and time with the wrong passport. It makes a mockery of handing out passport to people who arent proven Irish or loyalty to Ireland.
Having a kid in Ireland does not make you and your family Irish and entitled to a passport and citizenship.
Having arrived via germany and having a kid does not entitle you to citizenship and a passport.
Claiming you are seeking refugee from another country does not entitle you to an Irish passport and citizenship.

I know a girl who's very famous great granduncle, some might even say the free states first martyr, found it very difficult to get citizenship for her Canadian husband who was high skilled computer Engineer.
I have heard of people busting them selves busting to get on Masters course and being rejected. There was a case of an individual who was on his masters in software engineering in Limerick a few years back. He produced his Degree in Maths from some University in West Africa. No one wanted to be racist so they they allowed him on the course. Then they selected modules. One of the modules on offer was Maths. "No, no that looks a bit difficult", from himself with a degree in Maths. A week before the projects were due he comes in with a broken arm and an x-ray to prove it. why?
So he gets another 6 weeks to get a project in. In the end the lecturers laughed at his pitiful attempt to produce a demonstration.

Same with certain people joining the RDF. A serving member of the defence force cannot be forced to leave the country. So you have very strange people joining and getting trained how to use weapons.

And then You have my friends who are specialist social workers recruited abroad to deal with child abuse cases cos we didnt have the experience here and they had to jump through every hoop with immigration and such. This is equality for all.

We need to start drawing lines, stream lining the process and removing lawyers from the equation who are only interested in lining their own pockets. This individual I believe is genuine as they have passed exams and contributed to society. the ones that go to dodgy English language colleges and join the defence forces with no interest deport them. lets excercise a little common sense here

beya2009

"No one forces a person with coloured skin to take that job, the person is there by their own choice and judgement."

While that statement is very true..the reality is you will always see someone from an ethnic minority taking these positions as their less likely to have access to public funds. While it is their choice..I doubt their doing it for anything other than 2 make a few scrapes there and there as they cant get jobs.

skooterblue

tbh wrote: »

The doctor in question - an amateur like many in Ireland - had not been successful in taking the TWO TUBES of blood from my friend on her arm, he had to use her wrists and take blood from there!!!

Which is discrimination. You see?

The doctor may be an amateur, just because you are good in the class room does not make you good on the wards. They are like trades men, Every tradesman sat the same course but not every trades man will deliever the same quality of service.

He probably took two tubes of blood because he was required to!! I have seen nurses and phlebotomists take up to 6 samples of blood in the one sitting and it was all required.

My self and my father had a lot of difficulty giving blood from our left hands cos our veins are so deep. Everytime I give blood it has to be taken from the right hand.

Victor

rupamede wrote: »

The doctor she went to works for the Insurance company. I was appalled when I saw her arms and especially her wrists. The doctor in question - an amateur like many in Ireland - had not been successful in taking the TWO TUBES of blood from my friend on her arm, he had to use her wrists and take blood from there!!!

Its seems that medics are only allow try two attempts to get blood samples at any one time*. A Complaint may be in order.


* Or so the Phillipino nurse told me.

skooterblue

Victor wrote: »

Its seems that medics are only allow try two attempts to get blood samples at any one time*. A Complaint may be in order.


* Or so the Phillipino nurse told me.

Another case of bite the hand that feeds you. Wouldnt you just love to be a lawyer in this country

skooterblue

rupamede wrote: »

I dont think I want to stay in a country where Life Insurance discriminate you because you are a foreigner when you are paying the same tax as an Irish citizen. The whole thing just does not seem to be fair, does it?

I know I am going to get nasty replies from Irish posters telling if you dont like this country go away as this has happened to me before on boards.ie but I just thought I had to say it and of course those rude coward remarks will be totally ignored for what they are.

Thanks.

I love equality and chivalry and racism , protectionism and political correctness and madness all rolled into one. You want to have the best of both worlds. you came where when it suited you, you took what you wanted now you have got what you wanted, now things are unfavourable here and you cant go anywhere else, except home, so you draw your welfare and complain. That is gratitude for you. You were fed here, housed, clothed, even given the right to vote, given education, given medical treatment.
Words fall short about how I feel.

PaulieD

beya2009 wrote: »

wow..I did not post this thread with the intention of causing any controversy..I just wanted 2 express my situation in a manner that was fair and unbiased. The support and replies I have received here is a source of inspiration and Im confident everything will work out for me.

Tell it to the hundreds of thousands of Irish people displaced from their jobs due to mass immigration. You were issued with a student visa, not permanent leave to remain. We have over 400,000 on social welfare. We are full!

neil_hosey

PaulieD wrote: »

Tell it to the hundreds of thousands of Irish people displaced from their jobs due to mass immigration. You were issued with a student visa, not permanent leave to remain. We have over 400,000 on social welfare. We are full!

will you ever shut up! jesus... some muppets in this country. Good luck Beya, unfortunately you will get ppl in every country who try to push their own shorttcomings onto other people.

Cadiz

PaulieD wrote: »

Tell it to the hundreds of thousands of Irish people displaced from their jobs due to mass immigration. You were issued with a student visa, not permanent leave to remain. We have over 400,000 on social welfare. We are full!

Millions of displaced Irish people have been taken in by other countries for centuries. That will have included some of your own ancestors Paulie. At least bear that in mind when you're in protectionist mode.

If things continue the way they are, Irish people will be immigrants on the move again to other countries to work - some already are.

Would you recommend, Paulie, that the countries they head for say "we are full"?

Good luck OP, hope it works out for you.

PaulieD

Cadiz wrote: »

Millions of displaced Irish people have been taken in by other countries for centuries. That will have included some of your own ancestors Paulie. At least bear that in mind when you're in protectionist mode.

The Irish emigrated to New World countries such as America, Canada, and Australia. These are vast lands, unlike Ireland. Which is a small island. You are not comparing like for like. How many Irish people living in Nigeria in receipt of social welfare? 62% of all Nigerians in the Irish state do not work. A bit of perspective, please.

Cadiz wrote: »

If things continue the way they are, Irish people will be immigrants on the move again to other countries to work - some already are.

And a further 60 odd thousand foreigners received PPS numbers here.

Cadiz wrote: »

Would you recommend, Paulie, that the countries they head for say "we are full"?

If they have an unemployment rate like Irelands, sure.

PaulieD

neil_hosey wrote: »

will you ever shut up! jesus... some muppets in this country. Good luck Beya, unfortunately you will get ppl in every country who try to push their own shorttcomings onto other people.

Do these people all have shorttcomings(sic) too?

Nearly seven out of ten Irish people now want the inflow of foreign nationals to be curtailed fearing that further new arrivals will strain the social welfare system.
The poll was conducted after it was revealed in the Sunday Independent last week that the number of foreign nationals on the Live Register is now about 80,000 -- or around 20 per cent of the total.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/seven-out-of-10-favour-immigration-restrictions-1794640.html

Cadiz

PaulieD wrote: »

If they have an unemployment rate like Irelands, sure.

The 'vast land' that is the US has its own very serious unemployment problem. So by your logic then they should send the thousands of illegal Irish immigrants there, say "we've no room"?

The 'vast land' of Australia already has plenty of it's own plumbers and electricians, but it's still taking in thousands of Irish ones. So they should be sent back then, told there's no room?

So because they're bigger countries they have a responsibility to take our immigrants and because we're a small country we should say "we're full up"?

You're the one who needs perspective chum, please.

PaulieD

Cadiz wrote: »

The 'vast land' that is the US has its own very serious unemployment problem. So by your logic then they should send the thousands of illegal Irish immigrants there, say "we've no room"?

Illegals should be deported, yes.

Cadiz wrote: »

The 'vast land' of Australia already has plenty of it's own plumbers and electricians, but it's still taking in thousands of Irish ones. So they should be sent back then, told there's no room?

Wow, a whole 10,000 Irish people emigrated to Oz in the past 18 months. Guess what? Thousands of Aussies live her too. Its reciprocal. Since 2000, nearly 20,000 Australians were issued with work permits for Ireland.

Cadiz wrote: »

So because they're bigger countries they have a responsibility to take our immigrants and because we're a small country we should say "we're full up"?

In the last decade, we have received more immigrants per capita, than any other western nation. Do you think Ireland has an infinite capacity to absorb foreigners?

neil_hosey

PaulieD wrote: »

The Irish emigrated to New World countries such as America, Canada, and Australia. These are vast lands, unlike Ireland. Which is a small island. You are not comparing like for like. How many Irish people living in Nigeria in receipt of social welfare? 62% of all Nigerians in the Irish state do not work. A bit of perspective, please.



And a further 60 odd thousand foreigners received PPS numbers here.



If they have an unemployment rate like Irelands, sure.

Firstly, who the fúck put you in charge as to who you can say can come into our country or not!?!?! who do you think you are??? this really ****ing annoys me!

Secondly, its the government who allow people to enter the country so instead of try to blame foreigners (who are just doing what anyone else would do in their situation) why dont you focus your hate on the government.

PaulieD

neil_hosey wrote: »

Firstly, who the fúck put you in charge as to who you can say can come into our country or not!?!?! who do you think you are??? this really ****ing annoys me!

Take deep breaths. Its a crisp November morn, no need to get so worked up. Its a discussion forum, you will meet people with alternative views from your own.

neil_hosey

PaulieD wrote: »

Take deep breaths. Its a crisp November morn, no need to get so worked up. Its a discussion forum, you will meet people with alternative views from your own.

NO! you dont come on here speaking on behalf of irish people telling foreigners they cant come into our country...

Cadiz

PaulieD wrote: »

In the last decade, we have received more immigrants per capita, than any other western nation. Do you think Ireland has an infinite capacity to absorb foreigners?

Back that sort of spurious claim up with a substantial source, please.

Cadiz

PaulieD wrote: »

Illegals should be deported, yes.



Wow, a whole 10,000 Irish people emigrated to Oz in the past 18 months. Guess what? Thousands of Aussies live her too. Its reciprocal. Since 2000, nearly 20,000 Australians were issued with work permits for Ireland.

So that's all right with you is it, a reciprocal agreement? I thought we had no room. Or could it be, Paulie that it's only Africans you have the problem with? That your 'no room at the inn' schtick is targetted only at people from devastatingly poor countries. Aussies, Americans, etc are all right by you?

Ever been an immigrant yourself Paulie? Anyone ever told you 'there's no room'? No? Lucky aren't you. Yet you'd wish it on thousands of Irish people in the US - deport them all - and someone from Nigeria who's trying to get themselves a decent education.

Perspective indeed.

PaulieD

Cadiz wrote: »

Back that sort of spurious claim up with a substantial source, please.

Sure.

THE number of immigrants who settled in Ireland during the past decade is without precedent in the Western world, the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) said yesterday.
Eastern Europeans made up over 4pc of the population by 2007 after being a negligible percentage of the population just five years earlier.
In Britain, the immigrant population rose by 2pc in the 30 years after 1960, it added.
Just over 10,000 Eastern Europeans lived in Ireland in 2002 while the figure was 200,000 by 2007. The influx was swelled by the Government's decision to allow Eastern Europeans to move here earlier than most other EU countries after the EU expanded in 2004.
Britain and Sweden were the only other countries to open their borders to all new EU citizens and many countries still have restrictions in place today.
"There's been an absolutely enormous, enormous inflow" but some were now returning, said the ESRI's Alan Barrett.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/influx-of-immigrants-is-without-precedent-1878124.html

PaulieD

neil_hosey wrote: »

NO! you dont come on here speaking on behalf of irish people telling foreigners they cant come into our country...

Couple of questions, if I may.

-Do you think Ireland has an infinite capacity to absorb immigrants?

-Do you think the majority Irish people want mass immigration to continue?

-Do you think we should allow anyone who wishes to live in Ireland, enter the country?

hello932

Paulie d- you sound like one of those right wing national party types trying desperately to stave off change with your monolithic sense of national 'Irish unity'. Yours is crude 'us and them' typology.

They took our jobs. Boo hoo:pac:.

PaulieD

hello932 wrote: »

Paulie d- you sound like one of those right wing national party types trying desperately to stave off change with your monolithic sense of national 'Irish unity'. Yours is crude 'us and them' typology.

They took our jobs. Boo hoo:pac:.

hello932 wrote: »

im unemployed for a year now-been applying for jobs etc but cant find a job.

When you dole payments are slashed, and you wonder why you cannot find unemployment, I am sure your right on attitude will feed you and keep you warm at night.:rolleyes:

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