Justice 4 Armbands

Sundy

The most precious thing ever in rugby history?

Fizman

They made me cringe my pants.

mikedragon32

Could only have been bettered if the Lions wore eyepatches!

Robbo

Possibly one of the best examples of political irony ever seen at a rugby match.

thomond2006

It should have been white flags on their heads. :D

jank

And they call the British press whingey..please.....

Just shows how the boks view themselves, out of touch with reality.

TheCaveman

Well, since they arre World Champions currently, and Just beat the Lions in a series, I dont care if they played naked.... ( My Heart Speaking)





But, must admit is was stupid....

Sundy

TheCaveman wrote: »

Well, since they arre World Champions currently, and Just beat the Lions in a series, I dont care if they played naked.... ( My Heart Speaking)

All the more reason that they should be above this sort of thing but obviously not.

Amabokke

Well, it was injustice and the thing that motivated them even more is that the fact that the Lions felt it was wrong and hars and also Paddy OBrien thought it was the wrong call.

After 2 min I didn't even notice the armbands.

2040

The bit of masking tape on Matfield's scrum cap was the silliest imo.

Sundy

Amabokke wrote: »

After 2 min I didn't even notice the armbands.

Well i was still laughing at them right up to the final whistle:D

toomevara

Absolutely pathetic, if this is where the Boks management and leadership are at mentally, allowing players indulge in this rubbish, I genuinely fear for the future of SA rugby...pathetic, deluded crap, verging on the soccer-esque. you can call the Bokke many things but I never thought I'd call them whingers...DeVilliers and his backroom staff are a bunch of carry-on style buffoons, time they slung their collective hooks and the Boks got some pride and dignity back, because I can tell you one thing, they may have won the series on the pitch but they lost, big time, everywhere else....sad to see.

jank

I think a bad move all round as they couldnt take their punishment. IMO botha was hard done by but he is that type of player. Saw him in christchurch a few months ago and he just wanted to get in fights and all that kind of crap... Funny to watch in club rugby but test rugby is another level.

Fine but to say "justice" for him... I think not.
Think the OZies and the NZ crowd will make fun of this for the upcoming 3nations.

jank

toomevara wrote: »

Absolutely pathetic, if this is where the Boks management and leadership are at mentally, allowing players indulge in this rubbish, I genuinely fear for the future of SA rugby...pathetic, deluded crap, verging on the soccer-esque. you can call the Bokke many things but I never thought I'd call them whingers...DeVilliers and his backroom staff are a bunch of carry-on style buffoons, time they slung their collective hooks and the Boks got some pride and dignity back, because I can tell you one thing, they may have won the series on the pitch but they lost, big time, everywhere else....sad to see.

Spot on!!

The next time the lions come to tour the Veld the Boks may be has beens of world rugby unless the SA ANC get their fingers out from running the team. If this series is an insight into the future of boks rugby then god help them.

barneygumble

Botha was hard done by, which is incidentally a sentiment that the Lions management agreed with during the week.

Notwithstanding, the referee should have intervened and refused to allow the Boks to take the field until they had removed the armbands. Their coach should not have allowed it to happen in the first place, but then again we are talking about DeVilliers here.

I hope the IRB have a quiet word with the SARFU and that we see no repeat of this kind of nonsense.

duckysauce

thanks for deleting my post

duckysauce

anyway that team demeaned the reason for wearing arm bands, and thanks again for deleting my post , you can say anything about an irish player, but if you say anything about anyone else it gets deleted even if you are wearing a tutu and an arm band;)

ALH-06

Wow, that's why they were wearing those armbands - against Botha's ban? I didn't agree with that ban either but FFS, get over yourselves and get on with it!

I saw the armbands and just presumed they stood for some kind of equality / social movement within South Africa, or something else that actually meant something. There's one word for this - petty.

I'm very glad we won this test match. It's the leasy we deserved and hopefully, the saffers will gain some kind of 'perspective' now.

anonymous_joe

ALH-06 wrote: »

Wow, that's why they were wearing those armbands - against Botha's ban? I didn't agree with that ban either but FFS, get over yourselves and get on with it!

I saw the armbands and just presumed they stood for some kind of equality / social movement within South Africa, or something else that actually meant something. There's one word for this - petty.

I'm very glad we won this test match. It's the leasy we deserved and hopefully, the saffers will gain some kind of 'perspective' now.

Well Stephen Jones rather cruelly suggested that Nokwe's selection was affirmative action.

It did seem a bit silly, if the Lions had come out demanding an apology from Schalk Burger and a longer ban we'd be ungracious.

niallon

I was dying to see one of those armbands torn off by a Lion and thrown back in the face of the Boks. It was a terribly gratuitous display of intimidation, "Let's clearly show our disdain for the ruling" ridiculous, the Boks should have just kept in the spirit of the game, I didn't see any armbands on the Lions mourning the near loss of Luke Fitzgerald's eye sight did I?

Amabokke

Funny how a lot of supporters were hammering the inconsistencies in rugby and punishment dished out (Quinlan vs Burger). The boks did not do this for the Lions or to prove a point to them. They were frustrated and wanted to make a point to the IRB and media and clearly the media is talking about. This is about inconsitencies, not about Bakkies or the Lions.

If you believe they should get over themselves then there should be at least 4 new citings for ruck charging after yesterday's match. I'll post the vid soon.

toomevara

Amabokke wrote: »

. They were frustrated and wanted to make a point to the IRB and media and clearly the media is talking about. This is about inconsitencies, not about Bakkies or the Lions.

If every time a player or team is unhappy about a refereeing decision or citing panel judgement they indulge in this patent silliness, well, it'll not be long before we won't be able to see shirts for the amount of bracelets, arm bands and neck bands registering their righteous, self indulgent anger....

It's fundamentally against the spirit of the game and imo, the IRB should take disciplinary action against the springbok management for permitting such a petulant display. If a disciplinary panel rules on an incident the ruling should be accepted by all parties as binding and final, regardless of their personal feelings...otherwise the game and its disciplinary system will sink into anarchy.

d'Oracle

toomevara wrote: »

It's fundamentally against the spirit of the game and imo, the IRB should take disciplinary action against the springbok management for permitting such a petulant display. If a disciplinary panel rules on an incident the ruling should be accepted by all parties as binding and final, regardless of their personal feelings...otherwise the game and its disciplinary system will sink into anarchy.

I disagree.
Entirely.
I think Banning players for counter-rucking is against the spirit of the game.

NickNolte

Childish.

Amabokke

toomevara wrote: »

If every time a player or team is unhappy about a refereeing decision or citing panel judgement they indulge in this patent silliness, well, it'll not be long before we won't be able to see shirts for the amount of bracelets, arm bands and neck bands registering their righteous, self indulgent anger....

It's fundamentally against the spirit of the game and imo, the IRB should take disciplinary action against the springbok management for permitting such a petulant display. If a disciplinary panel rules on an incident the ruling should be accepted by all parties as binding and final, regardless of their personal feelings...otherwise the game and its disciplinary system will sink into anarchy.

How often has this happened in the past? I'm not supporting what the boks did but I support my team. It's just passion, the same way the boks decided to play in their original bok jerseys against the Irish in 2006, it's nothing to do with acceptance. They did try to oveturn it and had to live with it. They're purely trying to raise the issue from a tv coverage view.

Would you agree that there should then be at least 3-4 citings for similar clearance after yesterday's match?

The boks pushed this ahead because the Lions and Paddy O'Brien agreed that it was harsh and the wrong call. The boks won't get disciplined over this then they'll have to discipline their own parties involved.

Is it in the spirit of the game to hand a 12 week ban to one player and 8 weeks to another for eye gouging?

toomevara

d'Oracle wrote: »

I think Banning players for counter-rucking is against the spirit of the game.

Point taken completely (and for the record I sympathise with your position and do agree that Botha was hard done by), and I don't want to rehash the detail of the incident here, but the fact is once a ruling is made in the cold light of day by an IRB sanctioned disciplinary committee, all those involved, players and management need to be bound by the ruling, suck it up and move on....otherwise they whole thing will quickly become an unedifying circus.

toomevara

Amabokke wrote: »

How often has this happened in the past? I'm not supporting what the boks did but I support my team. It's just passion, the same way the boks decided to play in their original bok jerseys against the Irish in 2006, it's nothing to do with acceptance. They did try to oveturn it and had to live with it. They're purely trying to raise the issue from a tv coverage view.

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Look I agree with you amabokke, you're a passionate Bok and more power to you, but this kind of thing just cant be played out in the public sphere via the media. Its just not in anyones' interest. Professional coaches and players need to be bigger than that for the sake of the game and the honour and dignity of their nation (I know that sounds a bit grand in our cynical times, but imo thats what's at stake). This Lions series has left a sour taste in the mouth however you cut it. We all need to get over ourselves a tad and recoup some of the lost currency of the game..

toomevara

Boks to face a misconduct charge. A welcome development.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/lions/2009/0706/southafrica.html

Chucky the tree

Has Heaslip not been cited yet? He did excactly the same thing as botha in the 3rd test.

toomevara

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Has Heaslip not been cited yet? He did excactly the same thing as botha in the 3rd test.

Good point, not sure tbh....

*edit* Shaw's got a two week suspension, but cant see anything re: Heaslip.

dandy_warhol

I think we were all pretty pi^*ed off about Burgers 8 week ban....

Can't believe the lions didn't all wear "justice 8?" armbands.....

anonymous_joe

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Has Heaslip not been cited yet? He did excactly the same thing as botha in the 3rd test.

He didn't put Adam Jones out for nine months.

jop

Chucky the tree

anonymous_joe wrote: »

He didn't put Adam Jones out for nine months.

Oh, so it's only foul play if you injure someone?

anonymous_joe

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Oh, so it's only foul play if you injure someone?

I'd guess that's why they pinged him...

I'm not going into the rights and wrongs of it, but that's the difference between the two challenges.

jfitz92

I honestly don't think Botha would of been cited if Jones hadn't of gotten injured personally..
Armbands were immature and childish I thought anyway.

Peter B

Anyone have the links to the YouTube videos of Botha doing this during different games?

Someone posted it in a thread before this but I can't find it.

Zzippy

toomevara wrote: »

Point taken completely (and for the record I sympathise with your position and do agree that Botha was hard done by), and I don't want to rehash the detail of the incident here, but the fact is once a ruling is made in the cold light of day by an IRB sanctioned disciplinary committee, all those involved, players and management need to be bound by the ruling, suck it up and move on....otherwise they whole thing will quickly become an unedifying circus.

+1. Look at the farce the GAA disciplinary process has become - players refuse to accept suspensions as a matter of routine and the appeals process has 3 stages so it drags on for ever. The Ryan McMenamin and Paul Galvin cases are two I'm thinking of. Whatever sport it is, once a suspension is meted out players should suck it up and get over it - only one appeal posible then take your punishment.