Well Done South Africa, 2-1 Series Winn

TheCaveman

Credit to the Lions for winning the last test, but,,,,,

1 win done make a series.

NOw i know a lot of you Lions supporters will say a lot of things....

BUT....

South Africa Won

Remember, they changes 10 players for this test....

Looks at the results....

South Africa 2
Lions 1

jank

Here, test your maths here...!!

Add up all the points in the 3 tests and who comes out on front.


Oh also add up the total amount of tries scored and see who comes out in front....:D

Jes bad winners and bad losers as shown on the pitch!!!

TheCaveman

Bla Bla Bla

What if this and what ifthat.... A win is a win....

What if you just look at who won the series....

I understand how u feel....

But this is our tournament for the next 12 years....

SO lets see what happens on the 28 November at Croke Park

Ireland vs South Africa

shoutman

Jaysus lads, gracious in victory, gracious in defeat.....

South Africa, won two tests,

Two tight tests but a win is a win.

That said imo the lions doesn't really count for much other then that it is a great spectacle.

Chucky the tree

TheCaveman wrote: »

SO lets see what happens on the 28 November at Croke Park

Ireland vs South Africa

What does the AI have anything to do with it?

Otacon

I think the best thing to come out of this series for me is the sense that the Boks will be very beatable come the Autumn International game, so long as PDV stays in charge.

Good win from SA. Good effort from the Lions.

[Jackass]

For what it's worth, Ireland are better than the Lions and will beat South Africa at home.

For all the talk, and the trophies, I don't think South Africa are a great side.

Most home nations are better than the Lions anyway. The "collective" doesn't work, and established individual home teams are far stronger imo.

Anywhoo...congrats to South Africa.

jank

TheCaveman wrote: »

Bla Bla Bla

But this is our tournament for the next 12 years....

SO lets see what happens on the 28 November at Croke Park

Ireland vs South Africa

As I said gracious in victory gracious in defeat!:rolleyes:

Jes like!!

I quite like the boks but IMO they have gone down alot in my opinion over this series. Smit with his waving of the invisible card, PDV with this bull****!, Brussow with his crap. Justice for 4.... LOL.. Ill leave it at that.

As I said congrats SA but SA will get a mighty few test here come the AI.

chupacabra

Congratulations South Africa. A well won series indeed.

Chucky the tree

[Jackass] wrote: »

For what it's worth, Ireland are better than the Lions and will beat South Africa at home.

For all the talk, and the trophies, I don't think South Africa are a great side.

Most home nations are better than the Lions anyway. The "collective" doesn't work, and established individual home teams are far stronger imo.

:pac:


The reason the Ireland might win the AI is because SA won't really give a toss about them. If Ireland played SA at an intensity on the level of a Lions match we'd be stuffed.

Amabokke

This just proves that the Lions series should continue and not be scrapped. I don't see the point in this tit for tat and in bringing a great series down.

[Jackass] wrote: »

For what it's worth, Ireland are better than the Lions and will beat South Africa at home.

For all the talk, and the trophies, I don't think South Africa are a great side.

Most home nations are better than the Lions anyway. The "collective" doesn't work, and established individual home teams are far stronger imo.

Anywhoo...congrats to South Africa.

SA won a WC, 3N and Lions.

RHunce

great series to watch

but this was a stupid thread to start imo

bleg

well done SA. anybody who says the lions should have won, won on points difference, won on tries scored is delusional and a bit sad. stop clutching at straws.

what matters is the series score: SA 2 Lions 1

jank

Amabokke wrote: »

SA won a WC, 3N and Lions.

True but does that mean NH rugby isnt as bad as you thought or that the lions were lucky to win a test.

As I said hardly anyone gave the lions a chance, Boks by 30 blah blah blah...
It was anything but.

[Jackass]

If the series was 15 tests, Lions would probably win about 10 of them. As bad as they were, they could have won all 3. My point was that the Lions "get it together in a couple of weeks" doesn't work. They're far less cohessive than say, Ireland or Wales would be on their own imo.

I wont even go into the worldcup win...the poorest standard world cup of all time...none of the big teams showed up, the worst defending champions of all time and shocking in 6 nations before and after, getting hammered all over the place, get to the final..teams like Ireland and Wales were hopeless and if played half the 6 nations form could have won that world cup...that was a disastor for every major team bar 2 - England and South Africa (who were nearly beaten by Connacht just before World Cup).

3 Nations has the worst New Zealand team in living memory playing in it.

Meh, we'll see, all I'm saying is the Lions concept is slightly flawed and very difficult to make work .... if they played togehter ALL the time for Months (as the tour was orioginally set up as and intended to be like, until professional game spoiled the concept and made it unworkable), they'd hammer the Saffa's.

Amabokke

jank wrote: »

True but does that mean NH rugby isnt as bad as you thought or that the lions were lucky to win a test.

As I said hardly anyone gave the lions a chance, Boks by 30 blah blah blah...
It was anything but.

I don't think I ever said NH was bad. I still believe there is a gap because of the intensity levels, which the Lions matched today. The Lions were the better team today and not luck.

Dunno who said Boks by 30 but an awful lot were said in the media from both camps. Enjoy the win.

Amabokke

[Jackass] wrote: »

If the series was 15 tests, Lions would probably win about 10 of them. As bad as they were, they could have won all 3. My point was that the Lions "get it together in a couple of weeks" doesn't work. They're far less cohessive than say, Ireland or Wales would be on their own imo.

That's just an assumption. You reckon the Lions were bad but still could've won 10 from 15?

Lions did not get it together in couple of weeks, they had 6 weeks and plenty of matches before first test. It was down to poor execution from the Lions they lost and the boks intensity.

I wont even go into the worldcup win...the poorest standard world cup of all time...none of the big teams showed up, the worst defending champions of all time and shocking in 6 nations before and after, getting hammered all over the place, get to the final..teams like Ireland and Wales were hopeless and if played half the 6 nations form could have won that world cup...that was a disastor for every major team bar 2 - England and South Africa (who were nearly beaten by Connacht just before World Cup

Who says it was the poorest? Which big names, NZ? If any team loose and get eliminated it does not mean it's a poor standard just because you wanted a specific team in the final.

It was a second string against Connacht.

Anyway, for me back on topic.

[Jackass]

Amabokke wrote: »

That's just an assumption. You reckon the Lions were bad but still could've won 10 from 15?

Yes..........that was exactly my whole point...........................didn't you read what I was saying?

but yeah, back on topic.....

Goodluck2me

Otacon wrote: »

I think the best thing to come out of this series for me is the sense that the Boks will be very beatable come the Autumn International game, so long as PDV stays in charge.

Good win from SA. Good effort from the Lions.

I cant see how you would say that? I thought South africa were immense, to come back from such a hammering in the first half to win that second test like they did showed real character. If anything I think that it makes it much less likely that Ireland will beat SA in the Autumn.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The reason the Ireland might win the AI is because SA won't really give a toss about them. If Ireland played SA at an intensity on the level of a Lions match we'd be stuffed.

QFT. No chance Ireland would beat that South African team.

CAPSLOCK365

Just goes to show the upsurge in moraleonce ROG was dropped. Great game today and well done to the Saffers for winning when it mattered.

Otacon

GoGoEnpea wrote: »

I cant see how you would say that? I thought South africa were immense, to come back from such a hammering in the first half to win that second test like they did showed real character. If anything I think that it makes it much less likely that Ireland will beat SA in the Autumn.

QFT. No chance Ireland would beat that South African team.

I disagree. What was stopping us from winning the AI test game was the idea of playing the WC winners. Now, POC, BOD, Bowe, Kearney, Fitz... hell, even the Bull, have faced the Boks and have not been found wanting. I never said they would beat them, but the chances are higher because there is now more belief.

Chucky the tree

[Jackass] wrote: »

I wont even go into the worldcup win...the poorest standard world cup of all time...none of the big teams showed up, the worst defending champions of all time and shocking in 6 nations before and after, getting hammered all over the place, get to the final..teams like Ireland and Wales were hopeless and if played half the 6 nations form could have won that world cup...that was a disastor for every major team bar 2 - England and South Africa (who were nearly beaten by Connacht just before World Cup).

Poorest of all time? Just because Ireland got found out as a poor team under EOS doesn't make it the poorest of all time. How was the WC a disaster for France and Argentina? The style of rugby might not of been the best but that's the way is now a days. It certainly doesn't make it poor. I wouldn't of called the France vs NZ a poor match either. Ireland and Wales 6 nations form got found it for what it is, good performance against poor teams who teams who don't really care about the 6nations(france) so I certainly don't think there 6nations form would of made a blind bit of difference.

Chucky the tree

Otacon wrote: »

I disagree. What was stopping us from winning the AI test game was the idea of playing the WC winners. Now, POC, BOD, Bowe, Kearney, Fitz... hell, even the Bull, have faced the Boks and have not been found wanting. I never said they would beat them, but the chances are higher because there is now more belief.

The chances are higher because SA won't be playing anywhere near the level they played for the Lions matces as they will for the AI. I remember when we played SA and Austrailia in 06 a year before the WC and we beat both of them and everyone had wild delusions that we had a chance to win the WC, that went well. :pac: The AI will telling us very little, most likely SA and Aus will player a weakish side and play no where near 100%. Even then they'll still probably beat us.

barneygumble

Well done to both teams for making it a cracking series of games and for giving absolutely everything they had for 240 minutes.

Rarely can a "dead rubber" have been such an exciting and entertaining match as we had today.

Roll on Australia in 2013.

Aidric

A very enjoyable first two tests in the series and congrats to SA on winning.

Het-Field

Either way, it brings down the curtain on a poor decade for the Lions. Today's match was a superb specticle, however, that is where it stops. It was over, the Springboks were relaxed. Full credit to the likes of Williams, Sheridan and Williams. Furthermore, the final try was something to behold.

Since 2001, the Lions have won two test games, and have not beaten an "emerging" All Blacks, Wallabies or Springboks team. Equally, they struggled to draw in Cardiff gainst Argentina in 2005.

I have been slightly cynical of the Lions since 2001. When you consider the squad that was brought to Australia, and the wealth of talent (wahich was not there in 2005/2009), they should have won that series hands down. Insted they lost it at the death. In 2005 the whole tour was a mess. Too many players were taken, there was no cohesion, Woodward was living on the memory of England's 2003 triumph, and the Lions were stuffed. While the games were tight in 2009, the Lions were well and truly beaten on Day 1, before bottelling it on day 2.

One has to wonder if the professional era is too much for the Lions ? Could it be that the tours need to be planned further out. Should there be a preliminary panel announced in September 2012 ? Should the team be training together several months in advance ? What can be done to ensure the Lions fall within the perameters of the professional era ?

bleg

Het-Field wrote: »

One has to wonder if the professional era is too much for the Lions ? Could it be that the tours need to be planned further out. Should there be a preliminary panel announced in September 2012 ? Should the team be training together several months in advance ? What can be done to ensure the Lions fall within the perameters of the professional era ?

I don't know about that. I enjoy watching the Lions tours, they're a nice novelty. However I don't think such a novelty should take away from the bread and butter rugby of the NH. Anyway part of the lions ethos is being thrown together a few weeks before the tests, bonding well and giving it a lash.

Depp

Thats great sportmanship, nicely said, congradulating your opponent on the win, thats what makes our game great

NotWormBoy

Indeed. We might have our opinions on how games might/should have went but at the end of the day, South Africa showed why they are a great side - they never went away, and got stuck in where it mattered and made the difference.

Well done, South Africa, well played.

PS. Before some cynic comes on to say it, yes, Saturday's result makes this easier to say, but doesn't make it any less true.

buck65

South Africa won the series but let themselves down with their antics. Lost alot of respect for some of the "giants " of the game. When the pressure came on they resorted to thuggery and intimidation. The Lions can hold their heads high after this series - the Boks maybe not so much.