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right to school?

  • 03-07-2009 7:46pm
    #1
    Quadsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭


    Does a child have to be baptized to attend a public/national school?
    My wife is due our first soon and we're not intending on getting the child baptized but does this mean we will have limited or private schools as our only options?
    I'm just wondering because it seems like a weak excuse to follow a religion and acknowledge something i really don't believe in.
    So in short is there any legal rights for a child to attend a public/national school or does the priest/church have the right to refusal?


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  • #2
    Rev Hellfire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Rev Hellfire


    Its been done to death, use the forum search functionality.


  • #3
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Here's a search of the forum, I'm sure you'll find a lot of information regarding the issue in previous threads.


  • #4
    Quadsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭Quadsey


    Rev Hellfire wrote: »
    Its been done to death, use the forum search functionality.
    If its really been done to death and is a re-occurring issue maybe it should be stickied
    -JammyDodger- wrote: »
    Here's a search of the forum, I'm sure you'll find a lot of information regarding the issue in previous threads.
    Thanx for that i'll have a look.


  • #5
    Rev Hellfire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Rev Hellfire


    Quadsey wrote: »
    If its really been done to death and is a re-occurring issue maybe it should be stickied
    Don't disagree with you there.


  • #6
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Long story short, there are no hard limitations, but baptized children get priority on the application lists.

    Which is absurd. If I were any way close to having a child I`d be campaigning about this. Angry letters to politicians, that sort of thing.


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  • #7
    Rev Hellfire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Rev Hellfire


    Zillah wrote: »
    Which is absurd. If I were any way close to having a child I`d be campaigning about this. Angry letters to politicians, that sort of thing.
    Why wait ? Do now while you're still young and full of ideals ;)


  • #8
    Quadsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭Quadsey


    Zillah wrote: »
    Long story short, there are no hard limitations, but baptized children get priority on the application lists.

    Which is absurd. If I were any way close to having a child I`d be campaigning about this. Angry letters to politicians, that sort of thing.

    Thanks for the short version. I just read through a hefty bunch of threads to get that exact info. So once again the church is flexing its control muscles whilst trying to give the illusion of choice.


  • #9
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Haha. But seriously no. I have way less responsible things to be doing right now. Plus I'm not even in the country.


  • #10
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Quadsey wrote: »
    So in short is there any legal rights for a child to attend a public/national school or does the priest/church have the right to refusal?
    No, and yes is the answer to those questions.

    Methinks if we stickied every topic that reoccurs regularly the front page would be stuffed with stickies. Probably worth a mention in one of the stickies up top but we all know that people don't read stickies and just want to ask the question anyway.

    Look at it this way, there's a thread called "kids + school" currently on page 1 of A&A. I doubt the OP was going to pay much attention to a stickie having missed that.


  • #11
    Quadsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭Quadsey


    Dades wrote: »
    Look at it this way, there's a thread called "kids + school" currently on page 1 of A&A. I doubt the OP was going to pay much attention to a stickie having missed that.

    That thread has 5 pages and the whole first page was just silly comments being thrown back and forth so i didn't read on.


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  • #12
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Dades wrote: »
    No, and yes is the answer to those questions.

    Methinks if we stickied every topic that reoccurs regularly the front page would be stuffed with stickies. Probably worth a mention in one of the stickies up top but we all know that people don't read stickies and just want to ask the question anyway.

    Look at it this way, there's a thread called "kids + school" currently on page 1 of A&A. I doubt the OP was going to pay much attention to a stickie having missed that.

    How about we have one sticky called "Common Topics" or something, and in it we link to a handful of the better threads on the topics that come up again and again, like schools and baptism, evolution, origin of morality, leaving the church etc.


  • #13
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Quadsey wrote: »
    That thread has 5 pages and the whole first page was just silly comments being thrown back and forth so i didn't read on.
    There may have been a few silly posts in that thread as the topic has already been discussed to death in other threads.

    Next time before you start a thread I'd appreciate if you'd bother reading more than one page of the numerous threads on the issue that can be found using the search option.


  • #14
    Quadsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭Quadsey


    Dades wrote: »
    Next time before you start a thread I'd appreciate if you'd bother reading more than one page of the numerous threads on the issue that can be found using the search option.
    Next time? I've asked my question and got my answer but if i do find myself in need of advice again i'll be sure to post first, search later in your honour.;)


  • #15
    Skrynesaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭Skrynesaver


    Sort of like we used to have in Usenet, gradually Web-2.0 reinvents the entire Internet and sticks it in a browser ;)


  • #16
    countmeout.ie (Paul)
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭countmeout.ie (Paul)


    Some of you may have seen my other thread advertising our website www.countmeout.ie

    Just to say, on this issue, we have written to the Dept of Education for clarification on the state's responsibility to provide schooling for all children, regardless of denomination, or lack thereof. What was said previously is broadly correct: that the schools can prioritise children who will not go against the school 'ethos'. What we are trying to find out is if parents cannot find a school for their child because of their lack of religious affiliation, what is the state's responsibility. When (if) we get a response, i'll let you all know.


  • #17
    Rev Hellfire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Rev Hellfire


    countmeout.ie (Paul) wrote: »
    Just to say, on this issue, we have written to the Dept of Education for clarification on the state's responsibility to provide schooling for all children, regardless of denomination, or lack thereof. What was said previously is broadly correct: that the schools can prioritise children who will not go against the school 'ethos'. What we are trying to find out is if parents cannot find a school for their child because of their lack of religious affiliation, what is the state's responsibility. When (if) we get a response, i'll let you all know.

    Must say its a refreshing change to actually see someone who posts on a topic actually do something proactive about it.


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