.17hmr moderator

marlin vs

Has anyone recieved permission for the use of a moderator on a .17hmr.

pajero2005

Cant offer any help to you marlin. But would like to find out if one can be got for a .22wmr?

eireshot

marlin vs wrote: »

Has anyone recieved permission for the use of a moderator on a .17hmr.

Yes, i have, and no problem with it.

greenpeter

Sorry to hyjack the tread but how do i apply?

eireshot

greenpeter wrote: »

Sorry to hyjack the tread but how do i apply?

You need to write a letter to your local super, Giving reason why you think you need to use one.

J. Ramone

Been a few moderator refusals in my district lately I heard, some supers seem to have a blanket ban unless you have a medical cert.

thedragon

J. Ramone wrote: »

Been a few moderator refusals in my district lately I heard, some supers seem to have a blanket ban unless you have a medical cert.

Thats a cracker,never taught of that. Im putting one on in the next few weeks myself. Im going getting it regardless but down the road I might just go the Doctors letter route. Brilliant idea.

jwshooter

thedragon wrote: »

Thats a cracker,never taught of that. Im putting one on in the next few weeks myself. Im going getting it regardless but down the road I might just go the Doctors letter route. Brilliant idea.

how is that a cracker ?

i have been using firearm for over 30 years.
i have tinnitus so using a mod for me is a must on my fullbore rifles i will also use custom made passive ear plugs when culling deer or fox shooting with the mod on.

i use a mod on my .22lr as i shoot around horses and live stock.

your not shooting very long less than three years so you should look after your hearing before damage happens.

so its far from a brilliant idea more a must.

J. Ramone

jwshooter wrote: »

how is that a cracker ?

i have been using firearm for over 30 years.
i have tinnitus so using a mod for me is a must on my fullbore rifles i will also use custom made passive ear plugs when culling deer or fox shooting with the mod on.

i use a mod on my .22lr as i shoot around horses and live stock.

your not shooting very long less than three years so you should look after your hearing before damage happens.

so its far from a brilliant idea more a must.

Problem is you'll only get authorisation after significant damage is done. A few shots out of any centrefire without hearing protaction will have your ears ringing good. As we all know it's not safe to limit your hearing in a hunting situation.

mac80

I have a CZ 17 HMR and wanted a mod for it. I have a mod that was on my old CZ 452 .22 lr will this mod work on my HMR??
Its a Parker Hale mod by the way

I didnt want to chance it in case it wasnt suitable

Mac

jwshooter

J. Ramone wrote: »

Problem is you'll only get authorisation after significant damage is done. A few shots out of any centrefire without hearing protaction will have your ears ringing good. As we all know it's not safe to limit your hearing in a hunting situation.

you applied in writing to your super .so if he refuses you ask him to put it in writing stating why .

under section 10 of the garda code of conduct if is obliged to do so .
this im 95% sure of this.
if he has given other notes for mods out ,you have the right to know why he has refused you .

from this point i would get a hearing test done .send that to him stating that you will be getting a another test done in a year any damage done due to gun fire he will be held responsible.

time to stand up to these guys or pack up and take up golf.

It wasn't me!

jwshooter wrote: »

you applied in writing to your super .so if he refuses you ask him to put it in writing stating why .

under section 10 of the garda code of conduct if is obliged to do so .
this im 95% sure of this.
if he has given other notes for mods out ,you have the right to know why he has refused you .

from this point i would get a hearing test done .send that to him stating that you will be getting a another test done in a year any damage done due to gun fire he will be held responsible.

time to stand up to these guys or pack up and take up golf.

The first part of this is spot on. You're absolutely entitled to written information of the reasons for your refusal.

Unfortunately, the second part is wrong. Telling him he'll be responsible for your hearin damage will not make it so. It's been said before that it's not an occupational hazard, but one that forms part of an entirely voluntary pastime, and there's no absolute imperative for you to shoot. It's the reason mods are being refused on the grounds of personal hearing protection alone. For my part, it's a part of the reason given for my application, but others are the protection of stock and a civic duty not to make too much noise around where I'm shooting, or noise pollution.

greenpeter

What if i go with a letter from the doc which proves i have hearing loss which i do and then i go to apply for a new shot gun at a later date and he says how can i use a shoot gun but i need a mod for a rifle. Will this cause problem

jwshooter

It wasn't me! wrote: »

The first part of this is spot on. You're absolutely entitled to written information of the reasons for your refusal.

Unfortunately, the second part is wrong. Telling him he'll be responsible for your hearin damage will not make it so. It's been said before that it's not an occupational hazard, but one that forms part of an entirely voluntary pastime, and there's no absolute imperative for you to shoot. It's the reason mods are being refused on the grounds of personal hearing protection alone. For my part, it's a part of the reason given for my application, but others are the protection of stock and a civic duty not to make too much noise around where I'm shooting, or noise pollution.

i would like to see that challenged in court.

can you look for a court order to see how many mods he has given out.

i think you can.

jwshooter

greenpeter wrote: »

What if i go with a letter from the doc which proves i have hearing loss which i do and then i go to apply for a new shot gun at a later date and he says how can i use a shoot gun but i need a mod for a rifle. Will this cause problem

i use passive ear plugs when shooting game , plugs and muffs when shooting trap and plugs when shooting sporting.

if there was a ultra lite barrel/s for a shotgun that did not affect balance and handling im sure the maker would be a millionaire in no time.

its all about lessening the causes of noise damage.

Sparks

jwshooter wrote: »

i would like to see that challenged in court.

I'm pretty sure it has been. The problem is that the general public (including the Gardai and Judiciary) don't know enough about firearms to see moderators as anything other than the hollywood image of a silencer.

Thing is, if you're in court about this, then the intent to grant isn't here; and if the intent isn't there, you need a rock-solid case to argue, and as IWM pointed out, that particular approach is not rock-solid. An NWPS ranger or someone in the defence forces or Gardai would be okay, but ironically not for their personal "off-duty" firearms...

can you look for a court order to see how many mods he has given out.
i think you can.

You can definitely look for such an order.
Not so sure if you'd get it though.
You might have more luck (and at twenty euro, you'd spend far less) putting in an FOI request to the Gardai or even easier, talk to your local TD and have him put in a parlimentary question asking how many mods have been authorised in that district.

jwshooter

the problem with our super is he has given some lads permit notes for full bore rifles i have notes for mine.

then he refuses the next guy for no reason with out giving him a reason.

im waiting over two months now for a permit for my .22 with out answer.

i know a lad who he refused a note for a 17 .

his uncle was given one for a new 223 and refused one for a old .22.

i also know a lad the has permits for a 17,204,243,270. from him.

so there is no consistency from him.

mister gullible

mac80 wrote: »

I have a CZ 17 HMR and wanted a mod for it. I have a mod that was on my old CZ 452 .22 lr will this mod work on my HMR??
Its a Parker Hale mod by the way

I didnt want to chance it in case it wasnt suitable

Mac

I changed from .22 (voere) to CZ 17hmr. My parker hale moderator fitted the threads and works perfectly i.e. reduces the boom. You still get the supersonic crack - sounds like a standard .22lr

J. Ramone

jwshooter wrote: »

the problem with our super is he has given some lads permit notes for full bore rifles i have notes for mine.

then he refuses the next guy for no reason with out giving him a reason.

im waiting over two months now for a permit for my .22 with out answer.

i know a lad who he refused a note for a 17 .

his uncle was given one for a new 223 and refused one for a old .22.

i also know a lad the has permits for a 17,204,243,270. from him.

so there is no consistency from him.

We could do with a good lobby campaign for a consistent and fair policy for the issue of authorisations. I wonder has the NARGC argued on our behalf. I know they have clarified the legal position on their website but they make no comment on the operation of the process.

There is absolutely no consistency or accountability by the superintendants. One refusal I'm aware of relates to a farmers application for a .22 moderator on the grounds that he needed it for effective vermin control where his neighbour keeps horses. The reason given by letter to the local station was that the application didn't meet the criteria for authorisation. If this is the case, it makes you wonder who is getting authorisation if anyone.

kakashka

I just wonder what exactly is the thinking behind these decisions?
I've yet to see a gun that is silenced by a mod so just what exactly is going on??
Is it simply lact of knoledge on authority end??
I've not had any problem myself but
the fact that you need permission for one is crazy IMO and for any licence holder to be denied use of a mod is just silly
What exactly are the criteria for having one??
I know the arguments about work place noise etc so why would a farmer be refused??is it not his work place!is vermin control and stock protection not part and parcel of farming??

thedragon

What gets me about all this is, one super is Ok another super isnt. This shouldnt be. There should be a set of guidelines that each super has to work with,anything beyond that is for the courts.

Sparks

One super may be okay while another super isn't because both supers are dealing with different cases. Case-by-case judgements are the way the system works, and that's always going to give you variations. I'd be more worried about a single set of rules to be honest - we've already seen how much damage can happen if one chap who's anti-firearms ownership gets to the point where he can change those rules, after all.

jwshooter

Sparks wrote: »

One super may be okay while another super isn't because both supers are dealing with different cases. Case-by-case judgements are the way the system works, and that's always going to give you variations. I'd be more worried about a single set of rules to be honest - we've already seen how much damage can happen if one chap who's anti-firearms ownership gets to the point where he can change those rules, after all.

no so ! as every super is dealing with licenced firearm holders .

kakashka

Sparks wrote: »

One super may be okay while another super isn't because both supers are dealing with different cases. Case-by-case judgements are the way the system works, and that's always going to give you variations. I'd be more worried about a single set of rules to be honest - we've already seen how much damage can happen if one chap who's anti-firearms ownership gets to the point where he can change those rules, after all.

That makes perfect sense if we were talking about Gun licence applications but were talking about people who have already been judged by there super etc suitable to hold a gun licence...
They can have a gun but not a mod!!!so a mod is considered more dangerous than the actual gun!!
And i'm sure the next argument would be that it's the combination of both thats the problem,well i've never heard of a silent suppressed full bore,best i've ever seen/heard is reduced to about .22lr noise levels
SO WHAT if it was silent anyway!!!
Why are we allowed to fit optics to our guns without the need for permits???a far more dangerous addition to a gun IMO if authoritys are thinking along the lines of some gun owners being potential criminals,which is the only conclusion i can come to re mod authorisation.

I dont use a muffler to save my ears,i use it as a hunting aid..

clivej

My son and I both have permission to shoot over the same land. We both have 22lr and 223 rilfes.
I have permission for use of mods for both guns my son is waiting a very long time to get any answer for his request for use of mods for his guns on the same land.
He also submitted a letter from the farmer that asks for this request to be allowed because he (the farmer) keeps horses on the land.

I'm in Kilkenny my son is under the Carlow district.

Another point is that of safety and the use of moderators. If you are with a companion out hunting then the use of a mod is a must. You just cannot be wearing hearing protection as you could miss a warning or not hear where they may be.


I was told by my Super that health and Safety did not count when looking for a mod permission.

Read here for my moderator request experience-
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055436287&highlight=moderator

kakashka

clivej wrote: »

My son and I both have permission to shoot over the same land. We both have 22lr and 223 rilfes.
I have permission for use of mods for both guns my son is waiting a very long time to get any answer for his request for use of mods for his guns on the same land.
He also submitted a letter from the farmer that asks for this request to be allowed because he (the farmer) keeps horses on the land.

I'm in Kilkenny my son is under the Carlow district.

Another point is that of safety and the use of moderators. If you are with a companion out hunting then the use of a mod is a must. You just cannot be wearing hearing protection as you could miss a warning or not hear where they may be.


I was told by my Super that health and Safety did not count when looking for a mod permission.

Read here for my moderator request experience-
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055436287&highlight=moderator

Thanks,so it's all been said before
Off to stock up on banannas now

mac80

Anyway lads here is a good review of HMR mods

http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/381445/17HMR_calibre_sound_moderators_review_.html

Duck's hoop

I got the LEI a while back and it's as he says.

Superb, tiny and expensive.

But I would highly recommend it, if you can justify it.

kakashka

Duck's hoop wrote: »

I got the LEI a while back and it's as he says.

Superb, tiny and expensive.

But I would highly recommend it, if you can justify it.

Was lookin at the LEI on mac80's article,can i ask where you sourced yours?do you know what threads available?
Thanks

mac80

I cant justify spending much on one at present, I have tried my .22 Parker hale mod on the HMR though and it bring s i down to .22lr levels
It makes a big difference if firing a few rounds off,as your ears dont ring like they do when using without mod.
It must affect zero though, so I'll have to adjust mine

Mac

Duck's hoop

Kakashka, you got a PM.

Mac80, in fairness the LEI probably doesn't perform a whole lot better than that, maybe a little bit quieter than .22 unmodded, but it keeps a very tidy rifle very tidy.

Kinda in proportion, if I'm making sense.

mac80

I got the 22 parker hale for €55 so might be a cheao mod for someone