NCT & classics

richieg

Is there any difference on how inspectors look upon classics compared to more modern cars during NCT. How are they on emmissions etc?
If a car has classic insurance does it require a NCT or is it just cars eligible for vintage tax that is exempt

Would any of the following cause a failure;
Surface rust blister on door & front panel (not broken through)
Non standard air filter & exhaust
Hazard warning lights not working
Non standard number plates

tc20

for a car to be NCT exempt (in classic car situations) it must be over 30 years. Some insurance companies will insure a car as a classic from late teens, most from 20y/o. I've another one to get through yet before my Merc attains the hallowed 30 years of age. To answer your questions -

1 - i wouldn't see a blister as a fail point

2 - filter and exhaust not necessarily a fail, but are they impacting on emissions (would probably improve results if anything)

3 - i reckon you need to get that fixed

4 - what do you mean by non-standard plates?

What kind of car do you have, year etc?

mumblin deaf ro

The car will be tested based on the emissions standards of the time it was first registered, rather than modern-day standards. Full details are in the NCTS manual on NCTS.ie

2cv

richieg wrote: »

Non standard number plates

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/leaflets/format-vehicle-registration-plates.html

This outlines the rules of registration plates. Note that this law only applied to cars registered on or after the 1st of January 1991. There seem to be no rules for cars registered before and a "non standard" plate should therefore not cause an issue at the NCT test.

Maybe you could print off the document and take it with you to the test.

richieg

Thanks for the responses guys
I have a '86 mini with a modified engine hence the Q re exhaust etc. I might throw some additive in there to improve the emissions before the big day.

With regard to the plates they are black pressed pates

tc20

Reg plates should be fine so, given the year. The hazards are a definite fix though.
When was the car last NCT'd, or is it a recent import?
And what mods have you had done to the engine?

(have a '95 mini myself as well)

w123

Regarding the hazards and the emmissions - I would fix the lights and chance the emmissions.

The plates should be OK though - black plates were on my 84 merc and they did not raise an issue.

Regarding the blistering paintwork, I had an issue on the bottom of one of my doors - not structural - not broken through, but the tester proceeded to bash a hole in the door with a screwdriver and then told me that the 'perforation ' needed to be fixed. Needless to say argueing with him and his supervisor was pointless. So maybe sand it down fill it and prime it. Might as well paint it too.

I agree that you need some objective test to maintain safety, but in my view the structure and the safety of the car are he important issues.

Brakes, tracking, lights, emmissions and steering.

Cosmetically perfect cars don't have less accidents, and the argument that a bit of rust will make an accident worse doesn't hold water in my view.

But then once bitten...

macplaxton

2cv wrote: »

There seem to be no rules for cars registered before and a "non standard" plate should therefore not cause an issue at the NCT test.

NCT manual P3 (P10 of their pdf) gives vague details.

Old format / pre 1987 / ZV plates:

Can either be "Euro" plates or comply with the Third Schedule of ROAD VEHICLES (REGISTRATION AND LICENSING) REGULATIONS, 1982 (S.I. No. 311/1982)

1987-1990 plates:

Can either be "Euro" plates or comply with the PART II amendment ROAD VEHICLES (REGISTRATION AND LICENSING) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 1986 (S.I. No. 441/1986)

1991 on plates:

"Euro" plates as per PART III amendment. ROAD VEHICLES (REGISTRATION AND LICENSING) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 1990 (S.I. No. 287/1990) with minor amendments in 1992 and 1999

Never seen a Gardaí that bothered about it though...

richieg

Car is recent import never NCT'd. i was told at the time of purchasing that it didnot require NCT due to classic insurance but all the recent talk and publicity around NCT, points etc I found out this info was inaccurate.

The engine was custom built so I am not sure of exact spec. Its a 1293cc with a stage 2 head (i think) and maniflow exhaust and pipercorss filter. Other than that its std.

If they stuck a screwdriver through my door i would kill them and threaten them with vandalism!! I think I'll take a picture just before just in case!!
I plan to strip it over the winter for a respray anyways so I will do all at that time.

peasant

w123 wrote: »

the argument that a bit of rust will make an accident worse doesn't hold water in my view.

but it does ...they're called crumple zones, not crumble zones

tc20

peasant wrote: »

but it does ...they're called crumple zones, not crumble zones

good one peasant!

@ richieg - did you buy the car privately, or from a dealer? Just curious, I know you've found out subsequently that the original info you were given is a load of guff.
And is the car ex-UK?

SligoBrewer

macplaxton wrote: »

Never seen a Gardaí that bothered about it though...

A grammar mistake that big. :o

Anyways.
I have to get my '95 Mini sorted for an NCT once the logbook comes over. (better come soon!). The front is lower than the back.. problem?

w123

peasant wrote: »

but it does ...they're called crumple zones, not crumble zones

True. But a crumple zone is in the structure of the car, the skin has no structural integrity.

richieg

Bought privately from someone in the trade. To be fair I ddin't push the point too far. Car was a restoration, stripped back to bare shell and rebuilt

tc20

richieg wrote: »

Car was a restoration, stripped back to bare shell and rebuilt

cool.. will you be going to Terenure? and if so, will you be in the Mini?

richieg

What's on in terenure and when?

tc20

richieg wrote: »

What's on in terenure and when?

Ternure Classic car show, in the grounds of Terenure College. Have a look at this thread -

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055597185

richieg

Don't think I will make it.

mister gullible

1991 on plates:

"Euro" plates as per PART III amendment. ROAD VEHICLES (REGISTRATION AND LICENSING) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 1990 (S.I. No. 287/1990) with minor amendments in 1992 and 1999

Never seen a Gardaí that bothered about it though...[/quote]

I had an mg td style kitcar with black and silver plates (oldstyle) got pulled twice by a guard and got a summons to court. Came back from holidays in Portumna to Dublin for the case and the guard didn't even bother turn up. The country is rotten with corruption and drugs but they've still time to get nasty about plates. Be careful.. :mad:

macplaxton

Never seen a Gardaí that bothered about it though...

Sorry lads! Back to school for me. In my defence, all I had to do when I was younger was watch oot fae the polis and avoid getting a ticket.

When did the maximum fine increase from €1265 or whatever it was to €5000?

Mycroft H

w123 wrote: »

True. But a crumple zone is in the structure of the car, the skin has no structural integrity.

Now correct me if i'm wrong but slight surface rust (rust that can be sanded off) is allowed to on all area, but extensive rust is a no-no on load bearing parts and the chassis but is ok on a door panel.