Intern year

lanvin

Hey.:)Like many people hoping for med, my HPAT did not go as well as I hoped ... so I don't think I'm going to get a place in trinity, ucd or rcsi... but if I do get a place in galway or ucc, do you think I could switch to a hospital in dublin for the intern year? Or if not, when, if at all possible, could I switch? Thanks;)

drrkpd

lanvin wrote: »

Hey.:)Like many people hoping for med, my HPAT did not go as well as I hoped ... so I don't think I'm going to get a place in trinity, ucd or rcsi... but if I do get a place in galway or ucc, do you think I could switch to a hospital in dublin for the intern year? Or if not, when, if at all possible, could I switch? Thanks;)

You will do intern year in the AREA of the hospital you train-so for example if you train in Galway you could be there or in any of the hospitals in hse west up as far as Letterkenny. Don't forget even in Dublin universities you may have to do at least one job outside Dublin eg Drogheda etc.
After this intern year you apply for SHO jobs which could be in Dublin or anywhere. A lot of jobs "rotate"- so even if you get an SHO job in Dublin you could spend time anywhere in the country.
Hope this helps

drzhivago

drrkpd wrote: »

You will do intern year in the AREA of the hospital you train-so for example if you train in Galway you could be there or in any of the hospitals in hse west up as far as Letterkenny. Don't forget even in Dublin universities you may have to do at least one job outside Dublin eg Drogheda etc.
After this intern year you apply for SHO jobs which could be in Dublin or anywhere. A lot of jobs "rotate"- so even if you get an SHO job in Dublin you could spend time anywhere in the country.
Hope this helps

Not quite true anymore drrkpd

The structure of intern year is changing

The linkages between colleges and hospitals are being removed so people can apply to another network of hospitals attached to a college they did not attend

There will be a ranking structure introduced to facilitate this

The report is from the National committee on medical education and Training and due later this year

drzhivago

lanvin wrote: »

Hey.:)Like many people hoping for med, my HPAT did not go as well as I hoped ... so I don't think I'm going to get a place in trinity, ucd or rcsi... but if I do get a place in galway or ucc, do you think I could switch to a hospital in dublin for the intern year? Or if not, when, if at all possible, could I switch? Thanks;)

The answer is take the medical school place where you get it and worry about these issues later

The structure of the Intern year and its organisation will be dramatically different from what it is now and I expect you will be able to move at that stage although to be honest you probably wont want to, you will want to be an intern in a place where you know the system

Carsinian Thau

lanvin wrote: »

Hey.:)Like many people hoping for med, my HPAT did not go as well as I hoped ... so I don't think I'm going to get a place in trinity, ucd or rcsi... but if I do get a place in galway or ucc, do you think I could switch to a hospital in dublin for the intern year? Or if not, when, if at all possible, could I switch? Thanks;)

I wouldn't panic just yet. If many people had disappointment with the HPAT, it's still all to play for.

Remembers that Trinity is the hardest medschool in Ireland to get into. Points for UCD are actually lower than UCC (I think UCD, RCSI and NUIG have about the same points normally) so you could still easily get one in Dublin. Well, as easily as getting into any medschool which isn't that easy actually.

drrkpd

drzhivago wrote: »

Not quite true anymore drrkpd

The structure of intern year is changing

The linkages between colleges and hospitals are being removed so people can apply to another network of hospitals attached to a college they did not attend

There will be a ranking structure introduced to facilitate this

The report is from the National committee on medical education and Training and due later this year

Thanks for information-seems a fairer system but have to see how it goes.

Svalbard

drrkpd wrote: »

Don't forget even in Dublin universities you may have to do at least one job outside Dublin eg Drogheda etc.

Am I correct in believing that Dublin trained interns end up even further afield, such as Letterkenny and Ballinasloe?

Intern matching in Ireland will have to change in the near future are there are simply not enough places for all the grads coming down the tracks (and the HSE wants to reduce, not increase, NCHD posts). My guess is the job of allocating the posts will be taken away from medschools and centralised to allow for a fairer system.

So, OP, it may be that in 5 years time you will be delighted to have secured an enviable intern post in Portlaoise!

Traumadoc

When I qualified some of the UCD interns had to intern in St james or even up north. I really cannot see there being enough jobs for the 700 + graduates that are envisaged in the future. Especially as there will be a reduction in NCHDs with reconfiguration.
Having another medical school in Limerick is a serious waste of money.

drzhivago

Svalbard wrote: »

Am I correct in believing that Dublin trained interns end up even further afield, such as Letterkenny and Ballinasloe?

Intern matching in Ireland will have to change in the near future are there are simply not enough places for all the grads coming down the tracks (and the HSE wants to reduce, not increase, NCHD posts). My guess is the job of allocating the posts will be taken away from medschools and centralised to allow for a fairer system.

So, OP, it may be that in 5 years time you will be delighted to have secured an enviable intern post in Portlaoise!

Intern matching as it exists now is changing, up to now a Dublin grad was not allowed to enter competition for a cork Intern post until all Cork final meds were sorted and vice versa. This meant a lot of people unsure where they were going to be less than 2 weeks before meant to be taking up a post

There are plans to substantially increase the number of intern places - FOTTRELL REPORT- with a committee actively looking at the hows /whys and wherefores - National Committee on medical education and training

Also plans to decrease number of NCHDs-- Hanly report --no current committee acting on this, is policy of department and ultimately HSE job to enforce

So There will be a centralised system as the FOTTRELL Report has begin implemntation with the added numbers already in colleges
when the centralised system actually launches I am unsure, may be as early as next intake ie 2010 interns

depending on how hospital services are realigned may not be any interns in Portlaois but will be a hell of a lot in general practice

drzhivago

Traumadoc wrote: »

When I qualified some of the UCD interns had to intern in St james or even up north. I really cannot see there being enough jobs for the 700 + graduates that are envisaged in the future. Especially as there will be a reduction in NCHDs with reconfiguration.
Having another medical school in Limerick is a serious waste of money.

Imagine the indignity of it a UCD intern having to go to st James a Trinity hospital
They must have had to cover themselves everyday before going there to ensure the Trinityness didnt rub off on them

Trauma the plan certainly is to employ as far as I believe almost 800 interns
750 will graduate annually, also leaving some scope fro added numbers with repeats and some NON EU students at Irish medical schools to apply as well, and not forgetting the large numbers at UK medical school who may want to come back and do an Internship here as well

Plans well advanced on this one

The INTERN/MEdical Student policy (FOTTRELL) and the reduction in NCHD policy (HANLY) are diamterically opposed on this one but both are government policy

At the moment as you say the medical school has been built in UL, other schools are getting more students so seem like Fottrell is rolling ahead

DrIndy

Except that Fottrell explicitly stated there were to be no more medical schools - but to increase the size of the existing ones only. UL medical school was started in direct opposition to the Fottrell report and committee - so as with all reports, implementation is haphazard and omits anything which requires substantial initial funding.

drzhivago

DrIndy wrote: »

Except that Fottrell explicitly stated there were to be no more medical schools - but to increase the size of the existing ones only. UL medical school was started in direct opposition to the Fottrell report and committee - so as with all reports, implementation is haphazard and omits anything which requires substantial initial funding.

Point taken
Numbers of students are rising that is thrust of what I was getting at

fgrty

Also aside from the intern year allocation question you posed here. To look into the nearer future, if you receive a place in NUIG or UCC you can always try to transfer to a Dublin Med School after your 1st year. Once in the system, it is much easier to transfer within it.

Good luck with results and figuring everything out!

ZorbaTehZ

fgrty wrote: »

Also aside from the intern year allocation question you posed here. To look into the nearer future, if you receive a place in NUIG or UCC you can always try to transfer to a Dublin Med School after your 1st year. Once in the system, it is much easier to transfer within it.

Good luck with results and figuring everything out!

As far as I know there isn't a single medical school in the country that allows transferring after entry, I know that Trinity do not allow it for certain.

fgrty

Well that not surprising....Trinity wouldn't. I do know that people from my course have transferred to other courses e.g from RCSI to Cork or RCSI to Galway so it would be my following logic that the possibility of transfer must exist.

Stepherunie

A friend of mine wanted to transfer from Med in UCD to Med in UCC less than a fortnight into the course, she had sufficient points but in order to transfer she would have to pay full fees for they year as her fee would have gone to UCD and would not be transfered down to UCC.

However that was 5 years ago now.

Tbh it's very hard to transfer between colleges, without going through the CAO, just easier to transfer internally you're into the college (except UCD now who are evil due to modularisation).

ZorbaTehZ

The reason it is highly unlikely that transfers are allowed between any of the medical schools is because the structure of their curriculum is so different even if you compare the likes of NUIG with Trinity and UCD, the pre-clinical years have a relative mish-mash of at what stage each topic is taught (and if I may say so, NUIG has the most logical teaching structure of them all! )

fgrty

I agree transferring within a college is easier but if you try to transfer between years i.e do 1 year in your offered college, do well in the exams and then try to transfer during the summer - that is what people form my course have successfully done. That I would imagine shouldn't incure any yearly fees as you are between years....but potentially this is semantics at this point.

lol

mardybumbum

A chap from my class (1st Med in TCD) was able to swith to pre-med in NUIG.
That was in the first month however.
I would imagine that due to the difference in course structure between the different medical schools, it would be impossible to switch after first year.
I have heard that in UCC they study head and neck anatomy in first year and everything else in second year.
In trinity, it is the exact opposite.

fgrty

The possibility of swapping is in question not the level of difficulty incurred due to swapping between years. I'm sure it would be very difficult to adjust due to the different systems (modularised, non modularised etc) but I do know of people who have swapped between the end of first med and the beginning of second med.

Its probably awkward, difficult but theorectically this should be possible is what I'm saying.

Vorsprung

Stepherunie wrote: »

A friend of mine wanted to transfer from Med in UCD to Med in UCC less than a fortnight into the course, she had sufficient points but in order to transfer she would have to pay full fees for they year as her fee would have gone to UCD and would not be transfered down to UCC.

However that was 5 years ago now.

7 years ago there were a few transfers within a couple of weeks of my class starting Pre-Med, largely due to LC points going up and down. There didn't seem to be a problem back then, I guess things have changed as the courses diversified. For example, a relocation to UL would be completely off the cards these days.

liberal

lanvin wrote: »

Hey.:)Like many people hoping for med, my HPAT did not go as well as I hoped ... so I don't think I'm going to get a place in trinity, ucd or rcsi... but if I do get a place in galway or ucc, do you think I could switch to a hospital in dublin for the intern year? Or if not, when, if at all possible, could I switch? Thanks;)

your the only person ive ever come across with this worry