Tactical Fouling is killing Gaelic Football

peakpilgrim

Tactical fouling is killing Gaelic Football. Luckily Hurling is such a fast game that it hasn't been badly effected as a spectacle; football though, as played by some teams, is unwatchable.

It doesn't help when you get muppet pundits defending indefensible actions with terms like: 'We do not want to take the manliness out of the game'. There is a huge difference between manly play and dirty play and as person who likes a good game of football it depresses me greatly to see it.

DDC1990

Totally agree, thats why the new rules were so great... You take the man without the ball and your off. Simple as!

So much for progress in the Gaa.

grenache

I also think the GAA should introduce a rule something similar to the ''professional foul'' in soccer. Whereby if a player is the last man and he drags down or intentionally impedes an opposition player, a mandatory red card would apply. How many times have we seen a full forward thru on goal only to be cynically hauled down by the last back. And the result is often only a 21 yard free and a yellow card. The punishment doesn't fit the crime, it would certainly cut out the cynical last man fouls.

tennessee time

the worst part is when a player fist passes and goes for a return or just a supporting run and you can see the tackler so deliberately line the man up to block or nail him though the ball is long past him because hes too lazy to track the runner and mark him fairly.... how the player who gets blocked off doesnt retaliate more often bemuses me because it drives me mad when ive played the ball and some fat asshole intentionally blocks your run, doesnt care less than the ball is long gone ...

DC_Roscommon

I suggest people come to U-14 games.

No negative tactics, no intentional fouls; just simple football at its best with a bit of passion, intensity and every bit as competitive. Not like what we saw in the Mayo v Ros game.

If more people started going to these games it will give our underage players a massive confidence boost.

Best part is that its free;)

jacool

. . . . . or just watch Galway v Kerry
Both play "old school" Gaelic football when paired up. Galway invariably lose, but I'd still watch that rather than the combination of basketball and wrestling that passes for "modern" football !

robpurf

lack of a proper difined tackle other than the shoulder charge is the biggest problem,what i would love to see is when a player goes in and starts slapping at the player in possesion to get the ball is blown up and sent off for striking!!technically it could happen after all the rule is "striking or attempting to strike with hand elbow head or knee"that would really free up a game

Crash Bang Wall

Would tend to agree about the lack of a defined tackle.

Also, the umpires and linesmen are hopeless. They see all the pulling dragging etc etc and very rarely notify the referee....maybe the ref ignores them, but these roles are not being fully utilised

robpurf

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

Would tend to agree about the lack of a defined tackle.

Also, the umpires and linesmen are hopeless. They see all the pulling dragging etc etc and very rarely notify the referee....maybe the ref ignores them, but these roles are not being fully utilised

im a referee and anytime i do a line im told unless its a offence worthy of a card dont call the ref over.though doing a line one time in a SFC match over in pairc tailteann a umpire admitted to me he seen a well known county player throw an elbow when play was down the far side of the field but done nothing cos of who it was,thats bad form right away

peakpilgrim

jacool wrote: »

. . . . . or just watch Galway v Kerry
Both play "old school" Gaelic football when paired up. Galway invariably lose, but I'd still watch that rather than the combination of basketball and wrestling that passes for "modern" football !

Hi

Funny you should say that. I thought that one of the best games last year was in Croke Park between Galway and Kerry. It was a terrible wet evening and a tough, physical, but fair encounter; a great game of football; with some wonderful point scoring

Galway, under Liam Salmon, came to play football and Kerry matched them. It is a shame we couldn't see more of this healthy attitude.

grenache

peakpilgrim wrote: »

Hi

Funny you should say that. I thought that one of the best games last year was in Croke Park between Galway and Kerry. It was a terrible wet evening and a tough, physical, but fair encounter; a great game of football; with some wonderful point scoring

Galway, under Liam Salmon, came to play football and Kerry matched them. It is a shame we couldn't see more of this healthy attitude.

That game was the best advertisement for football in recent years. None of this cynical fouling and body checks that you see all too often today. Like you say, pure football. The Mayo-Dublin semi final of 2006 was also highly entertaining.

LeoB

This thread could cause an avalanche of replies.
Galway and Kerry was just a magnificent game, NO other teams in Ireland could compete with what they played so hence we have this thread.

Just on the "defined tackle", while I have not refereed for 2 years there is a defined tackle in football, Shoulder to Shoulder, 1 foot on the ground. Maybe it has changed?.
This crack of stopping a man recieving a return pass is cynical and is a free on 2 counts,
1) Both players should be going to play the ball.
2) you cant tackle a player without the ball


Just 2 points
A player is entitled to slap at the ball with his open hand.
As for the umpire in Pairc Tailtean, he should not be let do that job. It puts ref in very awkward position.
Some of the man marking that goes on is awful and illegal. Unless contact is incedintal its illegal.
I would suggest if you feel when doing the line something needs to brought to referees attention then thats what you do.

Now if we strictly impose all these rules would it be worth going to games? Its a fine line. A player trips another player, this is illegal use of the boot so should be red carded?

A very good referee in Dublin sent off a Dublin forward less than 2 weeks before a Leinster championship Final and as a result of the abuse and hassle he got he had to pack it in.

DC_Roscommon

jacool wrote: »

. . . . . or just watch Galway v Kerry
Both play "old school" Gaelic football when paired up. Galway invariably lose, but I'd still watch that rather than the combination of basketball and wrestling that passes for "modern" football !

But that only happens twice a year at most....

robpurf

LeoB wrote: »

This thread could cause an avalanche of replies.
Galway and Kerry was just a magnificent game, NO other teams in Ireland could compete with what they played so hence we have this thread.

Just on the "defined tackle", while I have not refereed for 2 years there is a defined tackle in football, Shoulder to Shoulder, 1 foot on the ground. Maybe it has changed?.
This crack of stopping a man recieving a return pass is cynical and is a free on 2 counts,
1) Both players should be going to play the ball.
2) you cant tackle a player without the ball


Just 2 points
A player is entitled to slap at the ball with his open hand.
As for the umpire in Pairc Tailtean, he should not be let do that job. It puts ref in very awkward position.
Some of the man marking that goes on is awful and illegal. Unless contact is incedintal its illegal.
I would suggest if you feel when doing the line something needs to brought to referees attention then thats what you do.

Now if we strictly impose all these rules would it be worth going to games? Its a fine line. A player trips another player, this is illegal use of the boot so should be red carded?

A very good referee in Dublin sent off a Dublin forward less than 2 weeks before a Leinster championship Final and as a result of the abuse and hassle he got he had to pack it in.

good points leo especially that one about the dublin forward,it happens all the time were expected to turn a blind eye as referees because of who the player is and thats another point that causes the fouling,after all if a player sees a county player getting away with it he will do it himself,and why not?

Trojan

I'm a big sports fan, of many sports including GAA football, hurling, rugby (union and league), cricket, etc.

One thing that I absolutely detest in GAA is the reffing. It's inconsistent, unprofessional, petty, and just plain rubbish.

I'd love if other field sports could learn just one thing from rugby: how refs act, treat players, and are treated and respected by players. (Of course to earn the respect they need to deserve it to some degree.)

LeoB

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One thing that I absolutely detest in GAA is the reffing. It's inconsistent, unprofessional, petty, and just plain rubbish.

I'd love if other field sports could learn just one thing from rugby: how refs act, treat players, and are treated and respected by players. (Of course to earn the respect they need to deserve it to some degree.)[/quote]

Sorry Sir I didnt mean to stamp on his head, I thought it was the ball you see I could not see from when he stuck his fingers in my eyes.

A lot of G.A.A referees make very few mistakes and the authorities should nail the tackle issue for once and for all. They also need to come down really hard on the negative teams and encourage more open play like Kerry/Galway last year and Dublin/Mayo from 2 years ago. The G.A.A need to do away with the D.R.A this is only giving players and officials an out.

Most G.A.A referes have a fair bit respect but its down to interpretation of rules. Did you see the errors in the lions match last week and the difference with a referee from Northern Hemosphere today?