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conchubhar1

how much did ireland receive in 2009? 2008 etc

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i would appreciate no comments other than relevant ones

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Scofflaw

conchubhar1 wrote: »

how much did ireland receive in 2009? 2008 etc

thanks

i would appreciate no comments other than relevant ones

2009 isn't over yet, so it's difficult to say, but these are the figures backwards from 2008 (all figures millions of euro):

Year|From EU|To EU|Balance|% of GDP
1973|47.1|5.7|41.4|1.1%
1974|85.6|7.0|78.6|1.9%
1975|138.5|12.4|126.1|2.4%
1976|151.7|17.0|134.7|2.1%
1977|346.5|28.1|318.5|4.1%
1978|520.9|58.5|462.3|5.0%
1979|671.8|77.0|594.9|5.4%
1980|711.8|112.9|598.9|4.6%
1981|643.5|133.8|509.7|3.2%
1982|764.5|173.6|590.9|3.2%
1983|924.0|234.5|689.5|3.4%
1984|1,100.5|257.1|843.4|3.7%
1985|1,433.2|270.8|1,162.3|4.7%
1986|1,455.9|305.1|1,150.8|4.4%
1987|1,397.1|324.0|1,073.1|3.8%
1988|1,474.9|314.6|1,160.3|3.9%
1989|1,644.7|362.6|1,282.1|3.8%
1990|2,210.6|359.2|1,851.4|5.1%
1991|2,795.0|442.1|2,352.8|6.2%
1992|2,531.9|448.7|2,083.1|5.2%
1993|2,849.8|575.8|2,274.0|5.3%
1994|2,338.0|641.9|1,696.1|3.7%
1995|2,566.5|689.2|1,877.3|3.6%
1996|2,820.4|687.1|2,133.3|3.6%
1997|3,190.0|652.0|2,537.9|3.7%
1998|3,015.1|989.4|2,025.7|2.6%
1999|2,678.9|1,051.0|1,627.9|1.8%
2000|2,601.9|1,075.0|1,527.0|1.5%
2001|2,408.1|1,220.0|1,188.1|1.0%
2002|2,510.7|1,011.2|1,499.5|1.2%
2003|2,575.8|1,190.4|1,385.4|1.0%
2004|2,602.0|1,185.5|1,416.5|1.0%
2005|2,382.6|1,496.9|885.7|0.5%
2006|2,200.8|1,529.7|671.0|0.4%
2007|2,088.8|1,570.0|518.8|0.3%
2008|2,159.8|1,700.0|459.8|0.2%


So in 2008 we received about half a billion. That will increase, because our payments to the EU are based on our tax take, which has fallen dramatically. We were expected to become net payers rather than payees by 2013, but that was based on our economy continuing to grow at 2006 rates - at the moment, we're not likely to be net payers before about 2020. Even then, that will just make us 'current contributors' - at reasonable GDP growth rates we wouldn't expect to pay back what we've received from the EU for the best part of a century.

cordially,
Scofflaw

conchubhar1

thanks

2 questions

a - where did you get the figures?
b - net payers?

where the hell is all that money going?

Scofflaw

conchubhar1 wrote: »

thanks

2 questions

a - where did you get the figures?
b - net payers?

where the hell is all that money going?

Apologies - figures from here. Table 10 is the relevant one.

Net payers - in other words, when we start contributing more to the EU than we get from them.

As to where all the money goes, that's a bit more difficult - a breakdown of the funds is given in Table 11, same publication as above. Here's a glossary of the various EU funds:

Glossary of EU funding schemes in Ireland

ERDF pays for roads and the modernisation of infrastructure.
ESF finances the training, or retraining of long term unemployed, single parents, school drop-outs, etc., and helps create new jobs.
EAGGF (FEOGA) pays for the upgrading of farms, machinery and farming techniques, and to improve the competitiveness of the agricultural sector.
FIFG support fishing industries and regions dependent on it with finance for ports, processing and marketing.
InterregI, II and III support cross-border co-operation at Republic-Northern Ireland, trans-national and inter-regional levels.
Leader+ is for rural development and diversification of agricultural activities.
Equal aims to establish equality in the job market, particularly to help women and the disabled integrate successfully into the workplace.
Urban helps urban inner city areas in decline, and addresses the problems associated with social and economic exclusion in these areas.
Peace I and Peace II have operated since the IRA and UVF ceasefires announced in 1994. It funds cross-religion and cross-border projects that promote peace and reconciliation between the ex-warring communities of Northern Ireland.

And Table 11:

YYear|FEOGA Guarantee|FEOGA Guidance|EAGF|EAFRD|ESF|ERDF|Cohesion|Others|Total
1973|47.1|-|-|-|-|-|-|0.0|47.1
1974|81.0|-|-|-|4.6|-|-|0.0|85.6
1975|129.8|0.8|-|-|5.1|2.3|-|0.6|138.5
1976|129.5|3.3|-|-|5.8|10.8|-|2.3|151.7
1977|311.2|9.4|-|-|10.4|10.8|-|4.7|346.5
1978|464.2|12.3|-|-|24.5|14.1|-|5.7|520.9
1979|503.5|23.5|-|-|36.6|32.4|-|75.9|671.8
1980|483.9|40.4|-|-|59.3|58.9|-|69.3|711.8
1981|386.8|53.2|-|-|57.5|69.3|-|76.7|643.5
1982|437.2|75.7|-|-|92.9|83.9|-|74.8|764.5
1983|560.8|80.9|-|-|117.7|73.9|-|90.7|924.0
1984|818.5|62.6|-|-|107.0|82.8|-|29.6|1,100.5
1985|1,062.3|70.9|-|-|179.4|96.5|-|24.1|1,433.2
1986|1,122.5|59.2|-|-|161.8|97.9|-|14.6|1,455.9
1987|939.1|86.2|-|-|245.7|111.0|-|15.1|1,397.1
1988|1,064.7|81.8|-|-|161.0|164.6|-|2.9|1,474.9
1989|1,223.3|97.4|-|-|176.0|143.4|-|4.7|1,644.7
1990|1,633.8|119.2|-|-|163.2|285.8|-|8.6|2,210.6
1991|1,694.3|182.0|-|-|470.7|434.1|-|13.8|2,794.9
1992|1,414.0|187.2|-|-|352.1|564.5|-|14.1|2,531.9
1993|1,627.6|159.9|-|-|395.7|589.7|51.7|25.4|2,849.8
1994|1,490.3|166.2|-|-|351.8|223.0|86.6|20.1|2,338.0
1995|1,460.5|181.5|-|-|325.3|454.7|127.1|17.5|2,566.5
1996|1,732.6|191.2|-|-|321.1|377.2|176.4|21.8|2,820.4
1997|1,929.8|210.7|-|-|344.1|452.3|216.6|36.6|3,190.0
1998|1,618.7|235.7|-|-|397.6|596.8|142.6|23.9|3,015.1
1999|1,723.0|106.3|-|-|265.5|265.0|290.0|29.1|2,678.9
2000|1,681.4|34.7|-|-|220.6|513.1|152.2|0.0|2,601.9
2001|1,584.3|20.7|-|-|135.0|359.5|297.1|11.5|2,408.1
2002|1,709.3|11.4|-|-|109.9|444.3|206.0|29.9|2,510.7
2003|1,945.2|16.6|-|-|111.4|294.5|172.6|35.5|2,575.8
2004|1,829.7|61.9|-|-|208.3|439.7|25.8|36.5|2,602.0
2005|1,806.0|33.0|-|-|211.2|255.6|15.6|61.1|2,382.6
2006|1,723.3|41.4|-|-|160.9|192.3|39.5|43.4|2,200.8
2007|-|50.2|1,388.0|374.0|136.1|105.4|0.0|35.1|2,088.8
2008|-|9.0|1,447.0|356.0|108.2|125.0|62.4|52.2|2,159.8
Total|38,368.8|2,775.9|2,835.0|730.0|6,234.0|8,025.0|2,062.3|1,007.9|62,038.7

So, mostly agriculture, but a fair bit of structural. As to where exactly it's been spent in Ireland - finding that out would be a major project, since the Irish government would be in charge of the detailed spending, and their capacity to give such information seems extremely limited.

cordially,
Scofflaw

conchubhar1

thanks!

no i meant that more of a rhetorical question as nearly half a billion from the eu along with out own money and budget and what exactly was done in 2008?

K-9

conchubhar1 wrote: »

thanks!

no i meant that more of a rhetorical question as nearly half a billion from the eu along with out own money and budget and what exactly was done in 2008?

The Department of Agriculture website has a table of the Agricultural subsidy payees.

conchubhar1

thanks

again it was more a rhetorical where the **** did the money go question