Yellow card farce in GAA

lukin

Was just thinking of this while watching the number of yellows dished out to KK in last night's match. What do people think of the idea of introducing a suspension system like they have in the World Cup and European Championships to GAA?
I.e. if someone gets two yellows in separate games in the championship they are automatically suspended for the next game.
It would certainly make backs think twice before hacking down a forward in a tight game near the end in order to prevent the concession of a goal.
At present fellas are committing cynical fouls and thinking to themselves "What the hell, I won't get sent off". Yellow cards at the moment mean nothing on their own, apart from forcing the player not to commit another foul and risk a red (which most of them are smart enough to work out for themselves).
I know it'll never see the light of day as the GAA would never do something like introduce a rule that would clean up the sport. That would be sensible and we can't have that now can we?
Just wanted to know what boardsies think.
Edit:Apologies for the spelling error in the poll;"Yes, definitley a good iead" should read "yes, definitely a good idea"

Browney7

The GAA had it's chance to do something about it and Congress stupidly rejected it. Just have to grin and bear it at the moment but they need to do something about the cynical fouling but Referees need to protect the quality players. Even the treatment Mullane got yesterday was uncalled for and I'm a limerick man(..for my sins:pac:) and it just showed how bereft of ideas we were if all we could think of to help win the match was to try and get Mullane sent off.

yahoo_moe

No, the present rules are adequate

Yup, would defo be in favour of this.

Another option (and both could run together I think) would be a basketball-style 'team fouls' rule to avoid (after a certain point) players 'rotating' fouls around to avoid getting cards. So, for example, once a team has 2 yellow cards and a ticking, any foul committed within their own 45 would result in a free from straight in front of the posts on the edge of the D.

GymJim

This would mean Ulster teams would be down to their 3rd choice teams by the Ulster final

premierstone

While I agree in principle that something needs to be done I dont think the two yellows = suspension system is practical in a competition where not all teamas are on a level playing field. For example if that system was in place this year Tipperary and Cork would be at a massive disadvantage because they had an extra game in Munster than Limerick, Clare and Waterford and similarily in Leinster KK had a game less than everyone else (although on recent evidence they wouldnt be long catching up with the yellows )

blackbelt

Can't say I totally agree so I voted no.I think if the system of a one match suspension after a two game-two yellow situation is to be brought in,it needs to have a snag such as a review.

It would be fairly harsh in some circumstances.Say a player slips and brings down his man with him while slipping and in a previous game he was carded for a footblock,I don't think the player should be suspended as the second card would hardly be intentional or dirty.

However,a situation like "engaging in a form of rough play" was to be the case in two separate games,then a suspension should be given.

peakpilgrim

lukin wrote: »

Was just thinking of this while watching the number of yellows dished out to KK in last night's match. What do people think of the idea of introducing a suspension system like they have in the World Cup and European Championships to GAA?
I.e. if someone gets two yellows in separate games in the championship they are automatically suspended for the next game.
It would certainly make backs think twice before hacking down a forward in a tight game near the end in order to prevent the concession of a goal.
At present fellas are committing cynical fouls and thinking to themselves "What the hell, I won't get sent off". Yellow cards at the moment mean nothing on their own, apart from forcing the player not to commit another foul and risk a red (which most of them are smart enough to work out for themselves).
I know it'll never see the light of day as the GAA would never do something like introduce a rule that would clean up the sport. That would be sensible and we can't have that now can we?
Just wanted to know what boardsies think.
Edit:Apologies for the spelling error in the poll;"Yes, definitley a good iead" should read "yes, definitely a good idea"

Hi

I agree that the yellow cards are a farce; but is there any chance that the muppets in the GAA Hierachy will do anything about it?

The latest 'trial' carried out in the league of sending a player off if he gets a yellow was plain daft; when you consider that teams like Kilkenny could put out three championship rated teams and teams like Clare struggle to get a dozen players of championship calibre ( no disrespect to them personally ).

Tactical fouling is killing GAA. Luckily Hurling is such a fast game that it hasn't been badly effected as a spectacle; football though, as played by some teams, is unwatchable.

It doesn't help when you get muppet pundits defending indefensible actions with terms like: 'We do not want to take the manliness out of the game'. There is a huge difference between manly play and dirty play and as person who likes a good game of football it depresses me greatly to see it.

yahoo_moe

No, the present rules are adequate

blackbelt wrote: »

Can't say I totally agree so I voted no... It would be fairly harsh in some circumstances.

Now that I see this comment, I realise I wasn't quite voting yes for what I thought I was. I actually think a suspension from ANY two cards (e.g. in a Leinster quarter-final and an AI semi-final) would be a bit much; I was more just agreeing with the general principle that multiple yellow cards should lead to a suspension of some sort. So for yellows in 2 consecutive matches or for any 3 cards in a Championship year (and maybe taking account of premierstone's point above).

However, I don't think a review for how 'serious' the yellow card was would be necessary as part of something like this - as it stands, a yellow card's a yellow card, which I don't think would have to change.

If you want to start distinguishing between different levels of foul, the system would need to be overhauled in a different way so that there's a difference between a 'dangerous' yellow and a 'safe' yellow... which was pretty much the system thrown out after this year's league experiment really.

Nalced_irl

No, the present rules are adequate

I voted yes as i dont think you would see many cases of players getting bans for 2 minor incidents. As with when a yellow meant you had to be forced off as a sub in the trial periods, i think refs will keep the yellow in their pocket a bit more unless they feel the play was cynical/dirty and depending on the severity a red could be shown. IMO it would lead to the more innocent fouls being cautioned with a ticking and the worse ones seeing yellow which i think would be a step in the right direction.

mrgaa1

Yellow cards should accumulate and once you get 2 or 3 cards you should miss the next match. Why should someone repeat the same offence game after game and yet still play.

LeoB

Dont agree with the suspension for 2 or 3 cards but I would be in favour of a sin bin with no replacement coming on like during the league.

My main reason is the amount of players who just lie down and do their best to get lads on yellows. To me this is as bad as kicking someone. Then of course we have the appeals system which is a mess. Is John Mullane unusual in that he just accepted his medicine when he got suspended?

Its quite simple really. There are rules in place and they seem to be well implimented in club games the problem seems to be the consistancy of applying the rules at county level as some refs are lets say from an area where Hurling or football is of a different style and they let more go.

The team fouls sounds good. Perhaps we should look at dropping Referees who dont apply the rules properly.

premierstone

LeoB wrote: »

Perhaps we should look at dropping Referees who dont apply the rules properly.

I appreciate your frustration with what appears at times to be incredible inconsistency and downright incompetence at times but you must also remember that these referees just like our players are amatures and volunteers we need to be encouraging people to become referees not banishing the existing ones

LeoB

premierstone wrote: »

I appreciate your frustration with what appears at times to be incredible inconsistency and downright incompetence at times but you must also remember that these referees just like our players are amatures and volunteers we need to be encouraging people to become referees not banishing the existing ones

Bad choice of words from me. I have refereed and know what the pressure is like. However the difference between Gerry Kinneavy and Pat McEnaney can be huge and here lies a lot of the problems. What goes in Galway might not quite be the same in Monaghan and the same for Hurling Micheal Wadding and Barry Kelly can differ quite a bit.

As I stated my pet hate is lads rolling around the place and getting fellow players yellow or red carded. Its happening more and more. Players caught doing this should get red carded. It puts the Referee in a very trying position. It might also serve the Sunday game some good to highlight this growing trend of feighening injury, name and shame. Also maybe the linesmen should be given more power and have the power to send off a player.

Still think the team foul might be the best system

yahoo_moe

No, the present rules are adequate

Nalced_irl wrote: »

it would lead to the more innocent fouls being cautioned with a ticking and the worse ones seeing yellow which i think would be a step in the right direction.

I disagree with this part - currently, you can get a yellow for one cynical/dangerous foul, or for an accumulation of smaller fouls and I'd argue that repeatedly getting booked for repeated fouling (which is cynical in its own way) is just as worthy of a suspension of some sort as repeatedly getting booked for dangerous play.

LeoB wrote:

There are rules in place and they seem to be well implimented in club games the problem seems to be the consistancy of applying the rules at county level

Ah now. Intercounty games are just subject to a lot more scrutiny - by and large, I'd say that any intercounty ref would be the best referee any of us have ever had if he reffed one of our ordinary Junior or Intermediate club games.

LeoB

Yahoo moe, Ah now. Intercounty games are just subject to a lot more scrutiny - by and large, I'd say that any intercounty ref would be the best referee any of us have ever had if he reffed one of our ordinary Junior or Intermediate club games.[/quote]

Sometimes. I have seen intercounty referees having stinkers of club games but its just forgot about and people move on, maybe we are over scrutinising our games. The rules are simple enough especially in football and there should not be the level of controversy we now seem to have. Some of the problems we have is caused by lads lying down and this is creeping in more and more to our games and really needs to be challenged by authorities.

In Dublin there are some very good referees who dont or cant give the time commitment to inter-county games. So generally the standard is quite good.

I suppose another big problem is so many people dont actually know the rules and they, from what I see at club games are the ones who do most of the complaining.