UPC & NAT type 1

RuggerIrish

Just recently changed to UPC for my broadband connection.

Sadly when I connect the ps3 on the netgear router it only gives me a NAT type 2 :mad:

Only work around is that I connect the ps3 directly into the router, but then my pc aint got no connection.

Does anyone know if there's a way to fiddle with the settings to get the router to change to type 1?

Also considering a LAN splitter but rather not if i dont have to

eddhorse

Robbed from a search :

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055432540&highlight=nat1&page=2

NAT Issues

If you go into the PS3 Network Settings and perform a connection test, it will tell you what NAT level you are currently on. The three levels are NAT1, NAT2 & NAT3:

* NAT1 - Direct connection to the internet - no NAT required
* NAT2 - Connected via router, but all necessary ports NAT-ed (aka port forwarded)
* NAT3 - connected via router, some ports not NAT-ed yet.

When you first connect your PS3 to the internet through a normal DSL router, you will usually be on NAT3 - you probably want to get this up to NAT2 or NAT1 to ensure you can sucessfully do all the online gaming stuff you want to do (chat, host games, join games...)

There are two main ways of doing this - you only need to do one or the other.


Method 1 - Port-Forwarding to get NAT2

In this method, you are trying to open certain ports in your router to allow other users to connect to them - this is necessary for the complete operation of PSN functionality. The idea is that you set up rules on your router to forward traffic on certain ports to your PS3, which lives on your internal network. When all the ports are done, you will be at NAT2.

To get specific instructions for your router, go to portforward.com - pick your router (look on the router for a sticker with a model number if you don't know it), and then select "Playstation Network" as the application to configure. Follow these instructions carefully.

You may also need to open these ports on your routers firewall - refer to to user manual of your router for further info, or ask on the Comms forum. Also, some games use special ports - you can get instructions for them on portforward.com as well.


Method 2 - Using PPPoE to get NAT1

PPPoE is the protocol your router uses to connect to your ISP, but your PS3 is able to do it as well - it's explained clearly on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JugGe7CCuNU

As Mick mentioned, you'll need your internet login details - if you don't have them, ring your ISP and ask fior them (or google it). Also, bear in mind this will only work for ISPs that use PPPoE (regular DSL providers) - I'm not sure if it will work for cable modems, radio internet, satellite internet etc... (people like Irish Broadband, UPC) - maybe someone else can confirm/deny this.

The net effect of following the video is that your PS3 gets a public IP address on the internet (like your router has) and is outside your firewall (so all the necessary ports are open by default) - do the connection test, and you'll be at NAT1


So which one do I do??

It doesn't matter, both will work, and conversly, people have had trouble getting either method to work. In general, method 2 is simpler and involves no router knowledge, so a lot of people go for it. On the other hand, method 1 exposes less of your PS3 to the internet (just the ports you open), so its argueably a better option from a security point of view. Also, if you use media servers to stream to the PS3, method 2 will also probably stop this working - it can be made work, but thats another story....

If you are still in doubt, or you have a funny network setup, try asking on the Net & Comms forum for advice. Alternativly, search this forum for old threads on NAT issues - there are loads of them, so its possible someone had the exact same problem as you and found a solution already...

Damien360

RuggerIrish wrote: »

Just recently changed to UPC for my broadband connection.

Sadly when I connect the ps3 on the netgear router it only gives me a NAT type 2 :mad:

Only work around is that I connect the ps3 directly into the router, but then my pc aint got no connection.

Does anyone know if there's a way to fiddle with the settings to get the router to change to type 1?

Also considering a LAN splitter but rather not if i dont have to

NAT2 - perfect, change nothing. You have perfect online capability and perfect media server capability.

NAT1 - eircom users do this. Bypasses firewall but no media server capability

NAT3 - useless for online but you get media server working

F1ngers

RuggerIrish wrote: »

Just recently changed to UPC for my broadband connection.

Sadly when I connect the ps3 on the netgear router it only gives me a NAT type 2 :mad:

Only work around is that I connect the ps3 directly into the router, but then my pc aint got no connection.

Does anyone know if there's a way to fiddle with the settings to get the router to change to type 1?

Also considering a LAN splitter but rather not if i dont have to

I also have UPC broadband, afaIk, we can't get nat type 1. Having said that, I've never had a problem with nat 2.

Nat 2 is as good as nat 1.

Damien360 wrote: »

NAT2 - perfect, change nothing. You have perfect online capability and perfect media server capability.

NAT1 - eircom users do this. Bypasses firewall but no media server capability

NAT3 - useless for online but you get media server working

What he said..

cardio,shoot me

eddhorse wrote: »

Robbed from a search :

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055432540&highlight=nat1&page=2

NAT Issues

If you go into the PS3 Network Settings and perform a connection test, it will tell you what NAT level you are currently on. The three levels are NAT1, NAT2 & NAT3:

* NAT1 - Direct connection to the internet - no NAT required
* NAT2 - Connected via router, but all necessary ports NAT-ed (aka port forwarded)
* NAT3 - connected via router, some ports not NAT-ed yet.

When you first connect your PS3 to the internet through a normal DSL router, you will usually be on NAT3 - you probably want to get this up to NAT2 or NAT1 to ensure you can sucessfully do all the online gaming stuff you want to do (chat, host games, join games...)

There are two main ways of doing this - you only need to do one or the other.


Method 1 - Port-Forwarding to get NAT2

In this method, you are trying to open certain ports in your router to allow other users to connect to them - this is necessary for the complete operation of PSN functionality. The idea is that you set up rules on your router to forward traffic on certain ports to your PS3, which lives on your internal network. When all the ports are done, you will be at NAT2.

To get specific instructions for your router, go to portforward.com - pick your router (look on the router for a sticker with a model number if you don't know it), and then select "Playstation Network" as the application to configure. Follow these instructions carefully.

You may also need to open these ports on your routers firewall - refer to to user manual of your router for further info, or ask on the Comms forum. Also, some games use special ports - you can get instructions for them on portforward.com as well.


Method 2 - Using PPPoE to get NAT1

PPPoE is the protocol your router uses to connect to your ISP, but your PS3 is able to do it as well - it's explained clearly on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JugGe7CCuNU

As Mick mentioned, you'll need your internet login details - if you don't have them, ring your ISP and ask fior them (or google it). Also, bear in mind this will only work for ISPs that use PPPoE (regular DSL providers) - I'm not sure if it will work for cable modems, radio internet, satellite internet etc... (people like Irish Broadband, UPC) - maybe someone else can confirm/deny this.

The net effect of following the video is that your PS3 gets a public IP address on the internet (like your router has) and is outside your firewall (so all the necessary ports are open by default) - do the connection test, and you'll be at NAT1


So which one do I do??

It doesn't matter, both will work, and conversly, people have had trouble getting either method to work. In general, method 2 is simpler and involves no router knowledge, so a lot of people go for it. On the other hand, method 1 exposes less of your PS3 to the internet (just the ports you open), so its argueably a better option from a security point of view. Also, if you use media servers to stream to the PS3, method 2 will also probably stop this working - it can be made work, but thats another story....

If you are still in doubt, or you have a funny network setup, try asking on the Net & Comms forum for advice. Alternativly, search this forum for old threads on NAT issues - there are loads of them, so its possible someone had the exact same problem as you and found a solution already...

in the most un homosexual way possible, i love you dude!

eddhorse

Err ok ..........as long as its not in that way !

Just using the functionality of boards.ie.....search !

RangeR

OP, you are perfectly fine with NAT2. That's the recommended setting to get the most out of your PS3.

Now, are you having problems with NAT2 or do you just think NAT1 is better [It's not, by the way]?

RuggerIrish

Thanks guys! always a good source of info!

I was told NAT2 disables some chat functions

I get NAT1 with direct connection to the modem. If you guys reckon type 2 is cool I can just go with that?

Function to say thanks is gone from me?.........dunno

RangeR

RuggerIrish wrote: »

Thanks guys! always a good source of info!

I was told NAT2 disables some chat functions

I get NAT1 with direct connection to the modem. If you guys reckon type 2 is cool I can just go with that?

Function to say thanks is gone from me?.........dunno

You are only allowed to give a certain amount of thanks a day. So if you have been trigger happy with it today, you will have to wait until tomorrow.

As far as chat functions etc. Leave it at NAT2 until you see a problem [which may never happen - If it does, then report back here].

RuggerIrish

yeah will do man

no thanks feature has been disabled on my account for some time now

Flecktarn

Hey lads, I'm on BT and have NAT 2 but still doesn't work .ie cant invite friends in COD to a private match.

IsMiseConor

I get nat type 2 and most of the time playing online is perfect except recently I am having problems connecting to killzone 2 online (error 8013?). Yet when I connect my ps3 directly to the router I can always play online perfectly and never get that error.

TelePaul

Managed this, thanks alot! Quick and painless. Any negative impact on the security of my other networked stuff, PCs laptops etc?

RangeR

TelePaul wrote: »

Managed this, thanks alot! Quick and painless. Any negative impact on the security of my other networked stuff, PCs laptops etc?

Tell us what you managed and we can answer your question.