One quick question

apoch632

Just had a question about the devil being cast down to hell stuff.

Is there an actual biblical basis for believing this or is it just something in oral tradition

Soul Winner

apoch632 wrote: »

Just had a question about the devil being cast out of hell stuff.

Is there an actual biblical basis for believing this or is it just something in oral tradition

Sorry what was the question again?

Dr. Baltar

I'm not a bible reader person but as far as I know most of the Devil stuff comes from John Milton's Paradise Lost.

apoch632

Sorry I meant to say cast down to hell

The whole rebellion against heaven and St Michael casting him out of heaven story. Does it have a biblical basis. Or is it Paradise Lost/Oral Tradition as said above

Dr. Baltar

apoch632 wrote: »

Sorry I meant to say cast down to hell

The whole rebellion against heaven and St Michael casting him out of heaven story. Does it have a biblical basis. Or is it Paradise Lost/Oral Tradition as said above

I'm an English student in college and during my course last semester we were told that most of the Devil Story comes from Milton's Paradise lost.
The entire Lucifer, cast down to hell... the description of hell itself with the fire ect... all Milton.

Soul Winner

Sir Baralot wrote: »

I'm an English student in college and during my course last semester we were told that most of the Devil Story comes from Milton's Paradise lost.
The entire Lucifer, cast down to hell... the description of hell itself with the fire ect... all Milton.

Couldn't be more wrong. Here are the verses in Scripture:


"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14:12

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." Luke 10:18

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." Revelation 12:9

Description of the lake of fire where even hell (hades) itself is thrown:

"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Revelation 20:10

"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death." Revelation 20:14

"If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15


So now you can go back to your college and tell your wise profs that they should study a subject first before mouthing off about it. :pac:

Soul Winner

apoch632 wrote: »

Sorry I meant to say cast down to hell

The whole rebellion against heaven and St Michael casting him out of heaven story. Does it have a biblical basis. Or is it Paradise Lost/Oral Tradition as said above

"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." Revelation 12:7-9

Book of Revelation: circa 60 - 90 AD
John Milton: 1608 - 1674 AD

PDN

The Bible speaks about Satan being cast down to earth. He will not enter hell until the Last Judgement.

Seaneh

Sir Baralot wrote: »

I'm an English student in college and during my course last semester we were told that most of the Devil Story comes from Milton's Paradise lost.
The entire Lucifer, cast down to hell... the description of hell itself with the fire ect... all Milton.

Tell your lecturer he's wrong.

antiskeptic

Seaneh wrote: »

Tell your lecturer he's wrong.

Or better still. Get your lecturer on here.

Tir

apoch632 wrote: »

Sorry I meant to say cast down to hell

The whole rebellion against heaven and St Michael casting him out of heaven story. Does it have a biblical basis. Or is it Paradise Lost/Oral Tradition as said above

The Book of Enoch and some bibical apocrypha also reference the fall of Lucifer and the aftermath, including his actions and those of his followers in this existence into which he was thrust. He does not reside in Hel as this point, to our detriment. Some Eastern texts also contain the same record of events, but that's another story altogether. There is more than enough in the biblical sources to keep one busy.

Check them out.

DublinWriter

Tir wrote: »

The Book of Enoch

Not canonical in western Christian tradition.

Tir

DublinWriter wrote: »

Not canonical in western Christian tradition.

True enough. However, I think it is worthy of attention, if not for just curiosity's sake!

Still, there are better reasons to account for the work. There is an Ethiopian version composed in Geez and it is supposedly translated from the original. More credence is given to this belief by the finding of remnants of the book of Enoch by the Dead Sea a few decades back; they appear to be an earlier translation (which appears to be a copy of the original text) of the Ethiopian text.

I do hope more fragments (or indeed the whole text) are found and compiled to quash any remaining doubts. I myself believe it is authentic. The Roman Church had many reasons to deny the Book a place in the Canon.