Advice on clubs please

MidKnight

Hi Everyone, this is my first post on boards but have been reading for a while at this stage..I have been playing golf for the last year or so on and off and have a set of beginers Spalding clubs. I`m looking to up grade as I am going to put in a serious effort at the range and at the weekend on public courses as I`m not a memeber of a club Have had a couple of lessons but still probably the highest handicap you can get haha. Was thinking of buying clubs individually such as driver then set of Irons etc but then I saw a complete set of Wilson deep reds for €399.99.... Are these a good set there advertised on McGuirks web site. The only other shop I know is halfpenny where I bought the set of spalding I currently own. Realistically i have a budget of around €500.00 so any advise would be appriciated. By the way love the forum!!!;)

whatawaster

MidKnight wrote: »

Hi Everyone, this is my first post on boards but have been reading for a while at this stage..I have been playing golf for the last year or so on and off and have a set of beginers Spalding clubs. I`m looking to up grade as I am going to put in a serious effort at the range and at the weekend on public courses as I`m not a memeber of a club Have had a couple of lessons but still probably the highest handicap you can get haha. Was thinking of buying clubs individually such as driver then set of Irons etc but then I saw a complete set of Wilson deep reds for €399.99.... Are these a good set there advertised on McGuirks web site. The only other shop I know is halfpenny where I bought the set of spalding I currently own. Realistically i have a budget of around €500.00 so any advise would be appriciated. By the way love the forum!!!;)

I would recommend you look into MD golf. They are excellent quality at a very good price.
I myself picked up a square headed Driver, two hybrids and three wedges for 200 quid, and they are all excellent.
They also do sets of Irons but i've never hit them.
There are some very good and very reliable ebay sellers that stock them.

jimmystars

My buddy has the wilson deep red and he likes them. Not a bad set for beginners id say but i would try buying online. You could have serious fun shopping with that budget. Would recomend all these sites for new gear from experience
http://www.direct-golf.co.uk/
http://www.onlinegolf.co.uk/
http://www.golfonline.co.uk/

or secondhand
www.golfbidder.co.uk/

have fun

Dylan69

MidKnight wrote: »

Hi Everyone, this is my first post on boards but have been reading for a while at this stage..I have been playing golf for the last year or so on and off and have a set of beginers Spalding clubs. I`m looking to up grade as I am going to put in a serious effort at the range and at the weekend on public courses as I`m not a memeber of a club Have had a couple of lessons but still probably the highest handicap you can get haha. Was thinking of buying clubs individually such as driver then set of Irons etc but then I saw a complete set of Wilson deep reds for €399.99.... Are these a good set there advertised on McGuirks web site. The only other shop I know is halfpenny where I bought the set of spalding I currently own. Realistically i have a budget of around €500.00 so any advise would be appriciated. By the way love the forum!!!;)

The wilson deep red are so good once you get the hang of them! Quite difficult to use them at the begining.Very forgiving in distance.
If i were you and have €500 to spend, perhaps a quick visit to your local pro and get him to test your swing speed,ball speed etc. He/she be able to tell you what kind of clubs suit you and what shaft you require( reg,ladies, stiff, x stiff) etc . Then you be able to a more extensive research of the clubs available that suit your game!!:)
hope that helps!!!

PeterJamesDoyle

If they're fat shaft irons, you might consider whether in the long term they could be upgraded with better shafts as your game begins to improve. There are other alternatives out there, that are equally as forgiving.
The problem with a lot of "rack" clubs is that they are not spine aligned, so they will amplify any consistencies in your game. Sping alignment or "puring" will help you hit 50% more shots out of the middle of the face every time (Based on 18 handicap)
Once that starts, you will get sucked into the same thing that we have all experienced. "Its not me, its the clubs". And so the cycle begins, and the golf shops are laughing all the way to the bank, as we go back year after year.
I'm a clubmaker and it breaks my heart to know that you can buy quality heads off the net, with good shafts and grips. It might cost maybe 150 quid extra to get fitted, but at least you're increasing your chances of seeing your game improve.
Best of luck with your selection:)

DonkeyPokerTour

PeterJamesDoyle wrote: »

The problem with a lot of "rack" clubs is that they are not spine aligned, so they will amplify any consistencies in your game. Sping alignment or "puring" will help you hit 50% more shots out of the middle of the face every time (Based on 18 handicap)

Sorry but where is your citation for this? Spine alignment/"puring" is a completely unproved science as far as I'm concerned. There has been no clear study that shows that theres a big advantage/disadvantage to them.

The only possible advantage that people do agree with is the mental advantage. If you think spine/puring will improve your clubs, then you will notice a difference. But for most golfers give them an pured set and an unpured set and they wont be able to tell the difference.

If you can show a study showing a clear advantage, then I stand open to correction. However in my opinion the money spend on spine/puring would be better taken and spent on lessons which will definitely improve your golf

Regards
Ian

MidKnight

Thanks for the advice lads...spent ages posting a reply then it never posted :mad: Went to shop today instead of buying Wilson deep reds bought Wilson Staff Di7s`irons (4 to SW) Wilson staff red and white tour bag ( I think..holds enough for me anyway feckin love it) Wilson ultra TFX driver & 3 wood, Skymax 2H Pulse Square (utility club hits shorter than 3 woood but more than 4 iron) plus doz nike long golf balls , nike glove ,3 head covers (Driver and 3 wood werent sold with them) also Rain cover for bag and trolly (see through) How much do ya reckon.... all brand new from golf shop didnt buy on line so could haggle:cool: Went straight to range and loved them but driving has still gone from best to worst aspect of my game. bringing them to my local public course N dub tomorrow for a round at 8.20 tee time goin on my own to try them lookin forward to it I hope !!

soundsham

€750....?

PeterJamesDoyle

I have built two irons, both 7 irons, both Dynamic Gold S300 Shafts, both standard length, same grips. Identical. Except one is spine aligned.
As an exercise with any client I place impact tape on both, and let the client see for themselves. 50% improvement in contact.
SST did a test with Tiger Woods, they got him to test 12 Sets of Irons, and was asked using his expericnce to determine which of the 12 were pured. He picked both sets out of a group of 12.
Why don't you debate it with the worlds number one golfer.
Sceptics just don't want to pay that extra something for fear they will have to admit they are wrong!!:) Anyone that doubts spining or puring is either too tight, or just working in a golf shop ripping off punters from one week the next.
Cheers

DonkeyPokerTour

PeterJamesDoyle wrote: »

I have built two irons, both 7 irons, both Dynamic Gold S300 Shafts, both standard length, same grips. Identical. Except one is spine aligned.
As an exercise with any client I place impact tape on both, and let the client see for themselves. 50% improvement in contact.

Maybe this is true but it's virtually impossible that its true for 100% of people, otherwise the study is invalid. A data set is invalid if the same result is found every time. Have you altered the order of the clubs for ever test? If you let them use the "unpured" first every time then your influencing your results. If you tell them which one is "pured" and which is not your influencing the results. Infact if you tell them one is pured and one is unpured your influencing the results!

PeterJamesDoyle wrote: »

SST did a test with Tiger Woods, they got him to test 12 Sets of Irons, and was asked using his expericnce to determine which of the 12 were pured. He picked both sets out of a group of 12.
Why don't you debate it with the worlds number one golfer.

This great SST study with Tiger Woods is mentioned the whole time by those in favour of puring. But I have spent some time searching google, not a huge amount but some time, and I cannot find any data on it, or even a mention of it that is not on a forum. If you can provide a citation I will read it.

Also someone of Tiger's Quality would never pick a set of Irons, He would pick this 3 iron and that 4 iron and this 7 iron etc.

Also in the 10other sets, surely one club of those 80 clubs (assuming 3-PW) would have been naturally pured by pure dumb luck?

PeterJamesDoyle wrote: »

Sceptics just don't want to pay that extra something for fear they will have to admit they are wrong!!:) Anyone that doubts spining or puring is either too tight, or just working in a golf shop ripping off punters from one week the next.
Cheers

I am a student and have to admit I'm wrong on many occasions, most people have to admit they are wrong on a daily basis so fear is hardly a good reason. "Too Tight" is not a good argument, people are willing to spend large amounts of money on golf clubs, and go to custom fitting centers such as fore golf and pay handsomely for the privilege. I am unwilling to pay because I have not seen any clean reliable data to prove that "puring" works. If its proved that "puring" is benificial I would have no problem spending the money on it, however as it stands as an unproven art there is one thing that is certin, "puring" shafts may improve your game, but if you take the money you spent on getting your shafts "pured" and spent it on lessons with a good PGA pro, you will improve your game.

If you want to respond further to this I suggest opening a topic about "Puring" rather than disrupting this thread further
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Drawing a line under that as were way off topic. Congrats on getting the new set. I hope they work out for you. I also hope the dozen balls is enough to get around 18holes LOL

Regards
Ian

PeterJamesDoyle

I will agree on one point of your discussion, and that is that we shouldn't we disrupting Ian's thread, although he has bought clubs now so all the best with his game. As soon as I exceed 25 posts, I will open a thread for all to discuss. An interesting quote from the article below is that the people who do not believe in it are the people who do not want it to work!

http://sstpure.com/media/golfweek090207.html


You appear to be bogged down in technical data, and citations, which leads us to believe that you may think golf is a game for robots. Golf is a superb game in that it is never the same hum drum each time a person goes out to play. I have worked as a Design Engineer for 13 years prior to my venture into clubmaking and fitting. I have more than two dozen satisfied customers who have confirmed that their shot dispersion's are much tighter now due to their clubs being spine aligned or pured. Original spine alignment techniques are based on feel, in order to determine the position of the spine, which is what the game of golf is really about, feel and imagination. Puring takes spining that step further.

At 36 years of age, I have more engineering experience than any student, and have come to accept that certain components such as golf shafts are imperfect because they are made by imperfect beings. However, if there is some method or process which can help the golfer get most from his shafts, then I'm for it.

I have never influenced any results and never share information with any prospective client prior to any fitting session.

Apolgies Ian for disrupting the student, was only trying to help you in your choice of new equipment, and make you aware of the pitfalls in club selection.

stockdam

Ok open another thread as this is in danger of hijacking the original thread.

PhilipMarlowe

In fairness, I am on this website the best part of 10 years and I doubt you'd know what I do for a living from one of my posts. You are on here 10 minutes and seem to mention your profession in almost every post (including your first one).
I call that shilling and soft selling.
If you want people to know what your business is then read http://www.boards.ie/adsales.php and contact sales@boards.ie

This website is not a free-for-all and if you want to use it to promote your business then pay for the privilege.
If you want to contribute then feel free to do so. Obviously it is something you are passionate about but at the moment you are coming across as a snake oil peddler.

PhilipMarlowe

To the OP, enjoy the new purchases and hopefully you will get on just fine with them

PeterJamesDoyle

Not at all Licksy, I work full time Monday to Friday in a day job. Was an engineer up til 5 years ago, and got a job in brewing (beer) cause I needed a steady income when my two kids came along.
All I'm passionate about is punters getting value for money. Thanks for the tip about being heavy with the clubmaking thing. I'll try and take a step back.

Golfanatic

look on easybuygolf.com, free shipping worldwide. they are very cheap. dont be put off they are legit im ordering a driver and a wedge off them dont worrythe things are real ive herad great things about them

f22

Smells like bull**** to me!

kqcregg

Hi MidKnight. Hope the clubs are working out. Was thinking of investing in Di7's as well. Would love to hear some feedback. Cheers

stockdam

I think I hit the Di7s once. They are a good set but if I remember correctly the lofts are strong so I was hitting an 8 iron further than my 7 iron. This may sound good but means that you may have to get an extra wedge for 100 yards and in.

Anyway they are a good set of irons.

DonkeyPokerTour

stockdam wrote: »

I think I hit the Di7s once. They are a good set but if I remember correctly the lofts are strong so I was hitting an 8 iron further than my 7 iron. This may sound good but means that you may have to get an extra wedge for 100 yards and in.

Anyway they are a good set of irons.

43degree pitching wedge? I thought the g10's were strong with a 46degree PW. My 9 iron is only 42 degrees! You may need to add a standard 48degree Pitching Wedge to that Set, on top of your SW and if you carry one a LW.

Regards
Ian

stockdam

DonkeyPokerTour wrote: »

43degree pitching wedge? I thought the g10's were strong with a 46degree PW. My 9 iron is only 42 degrees! You may need to add a standard 48degree Pitching Wedge to that Set, on top of your SW and if you carry one a LW.

Regards
Ian

Just as I thought.......the irons are a club stronger to "trick" the buyer into thinking they go further. You're going to need to buy extra wedges.

DonkeyPokerTour

stockdam wrote: »

Just as I thought.......the irons are a club stronger to "trick" the buyer into thinking they go further. You're going to need to buy extra wedges.

The "problem" I see with them is, the wedges offered in the set are:
PW 43*
GW 49*
SW 55*
LW 60*

The LW and SW are fairly standard lofts (personally I play a 56* SW but I know people who play 54* SW's so 55* is fine) But my gap wedge is 52*, and then my PW at 46*. What they have done is made the gap out towards 200yards smaller but the gap where it really matters at 100yards and in is much bigger. In effect you need to go from 5-PW in the Di7's then add, a PW, GW, SW and LW to give a standard 4-9 + 4 wedges set. To give you an idea the Loft of the 5iron on the Di's is only 1.5* weaker than the 4iron in the G10's.

Sandwich

Point of information.

All clubs go the same distance, i.e. all clubs of a given loft and length hit the ball the same distance if hit on the centre of gravity with the same clubhead speed. For ball hit away from the c.g., some loose less distance than others. You will not hit one set longer than another - you will just hit it longer with a different club but with the same number stamped on it.

Length/loft "creep" has been happening for the last 20 years, but it is a con by the manufacturers, most guilty among them Wilson, followed by Cobra.

stockdam

I had to read your post twice Sandwich. I think you are saying that if two clubs have the same loft then they'll go the same distance. That's kinda good enough (the length of the shaft and the flex of the shaft come into it also).

I think the original "culprets" were either Ping or Callaway.......I think it may have been Callaway. I suddenly found that people were hitting their wedges further than I was hitting my 9 iron (old blades). Try as I could I couldn't match their length. I then found out that their wedge had the same length of shaft and stronger loft.

aaf

soundsham wrote: »

€750....?

MidKnight wrote: »

Thanks for the advice lads...spent ages posting a reply then it never posted :mad: Went to shop today instead of buying Wilson deep reds bought Wilson Staff Di7s`irons (4 to SW) Wilson staff red and white tour bag ( I think..holds enough for me anyway feckin love it) Wilson ultra TFX driver & 3 wood, Skymax 2H Pulse Square (utility club hits shorter than 3 woood but more than 4 iron) plus doz nike long golf balls , nike glove ,3 head covers (Driver and 3 wood werent sold with them) also Rain cover for bag and trolly (see through) How much do ya reckon.... all brand new from golf shop didnt buy on line so could haggle:cool: Went straight to range and loved them but driving has still gone from best to worst aspect of my game. bringing them to my local public course N dub tomorrow for a round at 8.20 tee time goin on my own to try them lookin forward to it I hope !!

So how much did all that set you back then?

MidKnight

Alright People just lookin at the above reply`s this thread went a bit off track just like my golf swing....;) Anyway played a round with the new cub set Saturday morning and made 3 pars (this is the best I have probably ever done)...would strongly advise anyone thinking about purchasing new clubs to try the Wilson DI 7s they make such a difference although I hope that wasn`t beginners luck for the first time using them..Anyway as I asked in a previous post how much do ya think I got everything for well the answer is € 632.00 after a bit of negotiating...Roughly got € 100.00 knocked off !!! :cool:

As someone else said aswell thgey hit the ball much further then my previous set!!! Happy Golfing

kagni

Sandwich wrote: »

Point of information.

All clubs go the same distance, i.e. all clubs of a given loft and length hit the ball the same distance if hit on the centre of gravity with the same clubhead speed. For ball hit away from the c.g., some loose less distance than others. You will not hit one set longer than another - you will just hit it longer with a different club but with the same number stamped on it.

Length/loft "creep" has been happening for the last 20 years, but it is a con by the manufacturers, most guilty among them Wilson, followed by Cobra.

The fact that game improvement clubs have a much lower center of gravity means that the ball flies higher (and shorter). A well struck shot with a blade style iron will fly a lot further than the equivalent loft in a game improvement cavity back. This is the reasoning behind strengthening lofts in irons, but as you said some have taken it too far.