EFR Training

Wile E. Coyote · 09-06-2009 10:29pm #1

Just wondering if anyone here has done the EFR course with Sionnach Fire and Safety and if it was worth it. The plan is to do it and go on and do the EMT course which I know they run along with the IATI.

Hooch · 10-06-2009 1:58am

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone here has done the EFR course with Sionnach Fire and Safety and if it was worth it. The plan is to do it and go on and do the EMT course which I know they run along with the IATI.

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civildefence · 10-06-2009 2:02am

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone here has done the EFR course with Sionnach Fire and Safety and if it was worth it. The plan is to do it and go on and do the EMT course which I know they run along with the IATI.

You are aware you can do the EMT without doing the EFR?

Hooch · 10-06-2009 2:02am

civildefence wrote: »

You are aware you can do the EMT without doing the EFR?

Not advised

civildefence · 10-06-2009 2:07am

nice guy always wrote: »

Not advised

I agree it would give a headstart but €750 is an awful lot to pay for something that will be superceded by the EMT qualification anyway. A first aid course beforehand would suffice IMO. I know a few lads who went this route and passed the NQEMT no problem.

Hooch · 10-06-2009 2:11am

civildefence wrote: »

I agree it would give a headstart but €750 is an awful lot to pay for something that will be superceded by the EMT qualification anyway. A first aid course beforehand would suffice IMO. I know a few lads who went this route and passed the NQEMT no problem.

PHECC do not advise going straight from OFA to EMT. As a member who has a pin and NQEMT to EMT-B level i did EFR (EMFR then) and PHTLS first. This gives the prospective EMT a better chance at passing and makes them a better practitioner.

After passing there are other courses that you can complete like ACLS etc

Wile E. Coyote · 10-06-2009 12:46pm

I was aware that the EMT training could be done without doing the EFR but I think I'd rather have a bit more training before jumping straight into that. Plus I don't have the time or money to do the EMT training just yet.

Does anyone know if the EMT course can be done on a part time basis over the course of number of weekends? Can't really afford to take 5/6 weeks off work to complete the training. Stupid mortgage!!!:mad: I've checked a number of websites etc but none of them mention weekend courses.

10-06-2009 1:31pm

Im starting EMT with them in 2 weeks,i only have OFA and CFR at present.The pre learning pack they send out give's you an insight to what to expect and it's fairly indepth as opposed to OFA but if your able to put the study/work in i dont think it would be a problem.

sgthighway · 10-06-2009 2:29pm

eireal wrote: »

Im starting EMT with them in 2 weeks,i only have OFA and CFR at present.The pre learning pack they send out give's you an insight to what to expect and it's fairly indepth as opposed to OFA but if your able to put the study/work in i dont think it would be a problem.

If you can put in the study you will have no problem. Do the company you are going to advertise their pass rate?

10-06-2009 3:59pm

Im doing it with IATI,but there Dublin courses are being ran via Sionnach Fire and Safety.I dont know the pass rate but from what i've read only 3/4 people have failed there Nqemt that did it with them

Elessar · 10-06-2009 4:06pm

I'm on the IATI EMT course run by Sionnach at the moment and can say it's very good. It's in depth and intensive, there is a lot to learn and I imagine someone who has not had previous experience either with voluntaries or the EFR will struggle. But like everything, if you put in the study and hard work, you'll pull it off.

Just don't expect to get your PHECC exams until several months nor find it easy to get a job in the private sector. There are something like 4 EMT courses running concurrently atm and the numbers are only going to grow. Whereas one or two years ago the private ambulance companies were crying out for EMTs the market is now getting saturated.

Still though, the EMT is a great thing to have and I would advise doing the course if you are interested.

Hooch · 10-06-2009 6:51pm

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

I was aware that the EMT training could be done without doing the EFR but I think I'd rather have a bit more training before jumping straight into that. Plus I don't have the time or money to do the EMT training just yet.

Does anyone know if the EMT course can be done on a part time basis over the course of number of weekends? Can't really afford to take 5/6 weeks off work to complete the training. Stupid mortgage!!!:mad: I've checked a number of websites etc but none of them mention weekend courses.

Yes IATI do part time courses. Over 6 months, one weekend a month and then placements. This is first year anyone has run a part time course.

In regards to pass rate, looking at the stats its about 85% with 98% on re sits.

sgthighway · 10-06-2009 7:01pm

I would recommend joining one of the voluntary ambulance services because the experience from doing duties might help you through any interview process for a job. IATI are putting out a lot of EMTs and OMAC have about 24 trained up already and another large group just completed the OSCEs and MCQs this week so that might be another 20+. AFAIK Civil Defence had a group doing the EMT Exams last week. Country will be full of EMTs that will have a lot of experience behind them.
I heard that the Private Ambulance Companies have piles of CVs now.

Saying that I know people who had very littly First Aid experience and are flying through the current HSE Paramedic Course.

Hooch · 10-06-2009 9:14pm

sgthighway wrote: »

I would recommend joining one of the voluntary ambulance services because the experience from doing duties might help you through any interview process for a job. IATI are putting out a lot of EMTs and OMAC have about 24 trained up already and another large group just completed the OSCEs and MCQs this week so that might be another 20+. AFAIK Civil Defence had a group doing the EMT Exams last week. Country will be full of EMTs that will have a lot of experience behind them.
I heard that the Private Ambulance Companies have piles of CVs now.

Saying that I know people who had very littly First Aid experience and are flying through the current HSE Paramedic Course.

On that Civil defence are doing EMT training through NASC and have it completed. Results in next two weeks.

PHECC made a ruling three weeks ago that has not made the papers yet involving only Paras on all ambulance transfers. No EMTS. Thats under appeal at the moment, so we'll see what happens.

Good advice from Sgthighway about joining a voluntary. Irish red cross, civil defence, order of malta should be considered for on the ground work, although its mostly first aid cover at station its still good experience.

Elessar · 10-06-2009 10:23pm

nice guy always wrote: »

PHECC made a ruling three weeks ago that has not made the papers yet involving only Paras on all ambulance transfers. No EMTS. Thats under appeal at the moment, so we'll see what happens.

I can't see this being implemented. There are simply not enough paramedics in the private sector. The transfer work the privates do for the HSE, let alone the insurance companies would be severely curtailed and I can't imagine business would be entirely viable without appropriate staffing. Then again, this is PHECC.

Unless there are some allowances to allow the upskilling of EMTs to Paramedics, this would be a disaster.

Hooch · 10-06-2009 10:24pm

Elessar wrote: »

I can't see this being implemented. There are simply not enough paramedics in the private sector. The transfer work the privates do for the HSE, let alone the insurance companies would be severely curtailed and I can't imagine business would be entirely viable without appropriate staffing. Then again, this is PHECC.

Unless there are some allowances to allow the upskilling of EMTs to Paramedics, this would be a disaster.

Agreed 100%

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