If Ryanair had an accident....

bobblepuzzle

I've never flown Ryanair... but I've seen a pic of the interiour of one of their 737's littered with adds, and I think its pathetic.... this isn't a subway train, its an aircraft. On another note, god forbid if Ryanair ever have a serious accident, I'd imagine the airline would probably fail... and passed incidents (like pilots constantly being forced to work maximum hours) would play on the publics minds, and they'ld loose confidence in the airline. They'ld want to make sure they are paying due attention to safety.. coz if the s*** hits the fan... it'll be O'Learys head on the block...

irish_goat

What do ad's have to do with safety?

partyatmygaff

I've never seen the inside of their 737s littered with ads....

The gate and flight attendents constant advertising yeah but never ads in the plane itself....

Besides ads have little to do with safety of an aircraft, its not as if the paper used in them will fuel a flame :pac:

If they have a serious incident(God forbid) I assume the public will not change their opinion on them. They must follow regulations and regulations are designed for safety. As long as they are within the regulations they are more than likely at the same level of safety as another airline. No frills does not mean they don't have to follow regulations.


A single crash or accident would never take down an airline as big as Ryanair.

bobblepuzzle

irish_goat wrote: »

What do ad's have to do with safety?

It displays to the public that they go to any length to earn a buck... and makes the airline look slightly rediculous

StaticNoise

Advertisements are no issue to safety. I wonder, OP, who you fly with normally?

irish_goat

Pringles^IRE wrote: »

It displays to the public that they go to any length to earn a buck... and makes the airline look slightly rediculous

Which in turn means they can offer cheaper flights...

bobblepuzzle

StaticNoise wrote: »

Advertisements are no issue to safety. I wonder, OP, who you fly with normally?

btw, the ads thing... I didn't say that had anything to do with safety... its a seperate issue... think I'll edit it to be clearer

projectmayhem

Pringles^IRE wrote: »

btw, the ads thing... I didn't say that had anything to do with safety... its a seperate issue... think I'll edit it to be clearer

Incidentally I've never seen these on-flight ads. Yes, as was already said, they TALK about their ads... but so does every single airline in the world, with their in-flight magazine!

benj

i think this thread makes no sense what so ever

tu2j2

God forbid if any major airline has a major accident it will dent people's confidence in them! not just ryanair. The way things are in the industry its fairly difficult not to pay attention to safety and most definitely not worth the consequences.

And on the subject of advertising etc. when you buy a ticket with ryanair you know exactly what your getting, if you don't like it, you can pay 5 times as much to fly with a proper airline. And just to be annoying it is pretty like a subway train, some people have this perception of flying as something kinda special and it should be upmarket or something, Ryanair is like a London subway at rush hour with wings, as I say, you want a proper airline experience you pay for it.

bobblepuzzle

benj wrote: »

i think this thread makes no sense what so ever

confused are you???

Time Magazine

Pringles^IRE wrote: »

this isn't a subway train, its an aircraft.

I doubt they have ads in the cockpit. What's the difference?

Sabre0001

Pringles^IRE wrote: »

confused are you???

I have to say I am...

Pringles^IRE wrote: »

I've never flown Ryanair... but I've seen a pic of the interiour of one of their 737's littered with adds, and I think its pathetic.... this isn't a subway train, its an aircraft. On another note, god forbid if Ryanair ever have a serious accident, I'd imagine the airline would probably fail... and passed incidents (like pilots constantly being forced to work maximum hours) would play on the publics minds, and they'ld loose confidence in the airline. They'ld want to make sure they are paying due attention to safety.. coz if the s*** hits the fan... it'll be O'Learys head on the block...

You make a thread about an airline that you have never flown...based on a picture. And then link that to safety issues somehow. Air France has suffered after the latest crash - look at PI or that thread on After Hours. People are worried sick because either they were scared of flying anyways and / or have booked Air France.

Yes, Ryanair....just like every other airline in the world.....would want to make sure they are paying attention to safety. Why would they not?

brian ireland

I flew with Ryan Air a zillion times. The Idea is simple. you pay less and you get no frills. Its a bit like the bus into town. Do you want to pay for it or get a taxi? sometime you get a taxi. and more often to take the bus. Why? because its no frills and cheap. there are enough safety laws out there to ensure Ryan Air and all airlines are running safe. Its very sad but true. Some times no matter how much you try to prevent them accidents happen. Hence the insurance industry!!

bobblepuzzle

tu2j2 wrote: »

God forbid if any major airline has a major accident it will dent people's confidence in them! not just ryanair. The way things are in the industry its fairly difficult not to pay attention to safety and most definitely not worth the consequences.

And on the subject of advertising etc. when you buy a ticket with ryanair you know exactly what your getting, if you don't like it, you can pay 5 times as much to fly with a proper airline. And just to be annoying it is pretty like a subway train, some people have this perception of flying as something kinda special and it should be upmarket or something, Ryanair is like a London subway at rush hour with wings, as I say, you want a proper airline experience you pay for it.

Thats kind off along the lines that I was about to say... but as regards safety... sticking to the absolute requirements is a must... and Ryanair does this... however, as has been seen in the past... Ryanair pushes their pilots and crew to the max of their safe flying hours, and aircraft are taken out of service for maintanence and returned very quickly, only when its absolutely by the rules to do so. Other airlines like Aer Lingus and BA don't have the mere 20 mins turnaround as Ryanair planes, thank god. Anyone who seen the recent enough Channel 4 documentary will be in no doubt. Planes take off not even cleaned properly inside (lol, forget about thourogh inspection of the aircraft itslef between flights!) Safety measures are a cost... and Ryanair is sticking to close to the minimums in this regard, which is dangerous... and oh, yes the public would take all this into consideration... a bit naieve thinking they wouldn't if an accident were to occur

partyatmygaff

Pringles^IRE wrote: »

Thats kind off along the lines that I was about to say... but as regards safety... sticking to the absolute requirements is a must... and Ryanair does this... however, as has been seen in the past... Ryanair pushes their pilots and crew to the max of their safe flying hours, and aircraft are taken out of service for maintanence and returned very quickly, only when its absolutely by the rules to do so. Other airlines like Aer Lingus and BA don't have the mere 20 mins turnaround as Ryanair planes, thank god. Anyone who seen the recent enough Channel 4 documentary will be in no doubt. Planes take off not even cleaned properly inside (lol, forget about thourogh inspection of the aircraft itslef between flights!) Safety measures are a cost... and Ryanair is sticking to close to the minimums in this regard, which is dangerous... and oh, yes the public would take all this into consideration... a bit naieve thinking they wouldn't if an accident were to occur

Aviation authorities set the regulations for safety and if they are within regulations they are safe, maybe slightly less safe but not by a large enough margin.
They are however filthy and customer service is sh1t but thats all part of the experience :pac:

Pilots working their max SAFE hours is fine, hence the name SAFE.

The pilots aren't going to suddenly fall asleep during a short-haul flight.

bobblepuzzle

Sabre0001 wrote: »

I have to say I am...




You make a thread about an airline that you have never flown...based on a picture. And then link that to safety issues somehow. Air France has suffered after the latest crash - look at PI or that thread on After Hours. People are worried sick because either they were scared of flying anyways and / or have booked Air France.

Yes, Ryanair....just like every other airline in the world.....would want to make sure they are paying attention to safety. Why would they not?

Yeh, think u'll find that quote incorrect

bobblepuzzle

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Aviation authorities set the regulations for safety and if they are within regulations they are safe, maybe slightly less safe but not by a large enough margin.
They are however filthy and customer service is sh1t but thats all part of the experience :pac:

Pilots working their max SAFE hours is fine, hence the name SAFE.

The pilots aren't going to suddenly fall asleep during a short-haul flight.

If they've been on 3 or 4 in one day.... please don't think like a simpleton... its a tad frustrating

tu2j2

Pringles^IRE wrote: »

Thats kind off along the lines that I was about to say... but as regards safety... sticking to the absolute requirements is a must... and Ryanair does this... however, as has been seen in the past... Ryanair pushes their pilots and crew to the max of their safe flying hours, and aircraft are taken out of service for maintanence and returned very quickly, only when its absolutely by the rules to do so. Other airlines like Aer Lingus and BA don't have the mere 20 mins turnaround as Ryanair planes, thank god. Anyone who seen the recent enough Channel 4 documentary will be in no doubt. Planes take off not even cleaned properly inside (lol, forget about thourogh inspection of the aircraft itslef between flights!) Safety measures are a cost... and Ryanair is sticking to close to the minimums in this regard, which is dangerous... and oh, yes the public would take all this into consideration... a bit naieve thinking they wouldn't if an accident were to occur

But most other airlines would push out their maintenance for as long as the regulations allow, and all Maintenance facilities try to complete checks as quickly as possible anyway. The legal requirements for maintenance are fairly strict and even when pushed to the limits will still be safe, I presume the same is true for pilot/crew hours?

Personally I have no reason to doubt Ryanair's maintenance standards but if there ever were an incident and it was found that they weren't above board then yes, the **** would hit the fan but I doubt an Airline as successful and big as Ryanair are taking shortcuts.


Out of interest, what was the documentary?

bobblepuzzle

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Aviation authorities set the regulations for safety and if they are within regulations they are safe, maybe slightly less safe but not by a large enough margin.
They are however filthy and customer service is sh1t but thats all part of the experience :pac:

Pilots working their max SAFE hours is fine, hence the name SAFE.

The pilots aren't going to suddenly fall asleep during a short-haul flight.

You seem like a bright fellow... have you seen the Channel 4 documentary... where they interview the actual pilots, who are absolutely exhausted and complain of being grossly over-worked... and who also acknowledge a great threat to safety... how SAFE is that! yeh thats SAFE in CAPS!

partyatmygaff

Pringles^IRE wrote: »

If they've been on 3 or 4 in one day.... please don't think like a simpleton... its a tad frustrating

I am not thinking simple.


I am pretty sure a pilot can handle flying perhaps

DUB - LGW - DUB - LGW - DUB in one day, each flight lasts about 1 1/2 hours. So thats about 8 hours of work with turnaround etc.


I don't think they get fatigued that easily, they do have autopilot to do the majority of control at cruise altitude so its not like they are controlling the plane during the entire 8 hours.

Im sure the Pilots can handle it otherwise we would of seen plenty of horrible flights by Ryanair(Not talking about baggage or service etc, they are always horrible ), things such as landing and takeoff etc...

For example, a late flight departing at 9:10pm from Eindhoven - Dublin last year. Very bad weather during takeoff in the middle of rain and moderate wind, cruise was absolutely fine until we reached the UK and it got worse over Ireland, turbulence was unbelievable, the fasten seatbelt sign did not go off the entire flight.
The pilot did an AMAZING landing in the weather, extremely high winds and on approach the plane was violently dipping and rising and being shoved side to side by crosswinds. Outside the window the wings were flexing like crazy, we were lined up on the runway and about to touchdown when a huge wind pushed the plane just above the runway, the engines were put in full throttle and we went up again to give it another try. Second try was perfect, shaky landing but once we touched down it was perfect.

Considering it must of been the end of the day for this pilot he did a great job.

bobblepuzzle

tu2j2 wrote: »

But most other airlines would push out their maintenance for as long as the regulations allow, and all Maintenance facilities try to complete checks as quickly as possible anyway. The legal requirements for maintenance are fairly strict and even when pushed to the limits will still be safe, I presume the same is true for pilot/crew hours?

Personally I have no reason to doubt Ryanair's maintenance standards but if there ever were an incident and it was found that they weren't above board then yes, the **** would hit the fan but I doubt an Airline as successful and big as Ryanair are taking shortcuts.


Out of interest, what was the documentary?

Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkKPirksymQ

syklops

im flying with ryanair in about 7 hours time. Actually taking 2 flights with them and I am not one bit apprehensive. Have flown with them 6 times this year, have not had a problem, with the exception of being uncomfortable in the seat once or twice. That said I am over 6'4 and legs a similar length to your average runway.

A few years ago one of the ferries between Larn and Stranraer took on water because they had forgotten to close the doors. My parents and I were travelling with the same company the next day, and I asked my father "Could the same thing happen when we go on the ferry?"(I was about 6 at the time), and he said, "To be honest baby syklops, today is probably the safest day to sail as they will do everything by the book". Everything went according to plan, and here I am.

I think the next few weeks will be the safest time to travel by air because every company will be double checking evrything.

OP, travel on ryanair, get priority boarding, as it is a bargain, and enjoy your flight. I recommend the G & Ts.

digital_d

Now, firstly I have to say I'm not a Ryanair fan - I find the constant selling a bit of a pain on a flight BUT they are all about revenue from extras, so when you fly you kind of expect it. It is correct there is advertising on the outside of the overhead lockers but I don't spend much of the flight looking towards the aircraft ceiling :rolleyes:

I'm actually just of a Ryanair flight tonight, and to be honest I have to say that I find thier approach to safety quite good.

- Saftey cards are printed on the seat back in front of you. You can't help but read them

- With out fail the cabin crew always point out to those in the exit row thier obligations in an emergency and draw attention to the exit instructions

- Staff are usually very proactive in making sure people have seat belts fastened, bags stowed

- They use a pre recorded safety accouncement which I must admit is very clear, and 100% consistent

Now I'm sure they are not perfect but they are a major player (accoring to thier inflight mag they have just taken delivery of thier 200th 737-800) I'm sure if there was any genuine reason to be concerned about thier saftey (by genuine I mean more that a bad feeling about them, TV documentary, or a bard strike where no one was injured!) the various regulators in the countries where they have thier 32 bases would be all over it. Personally I've seen no real reason to be concerned

pclancy

Im closing this thread as I dont see any point to it at all. OP please try an airline before you come on here and complain about them :rolleyes:

Owen

The OP is banned for a fornight for airline bashing, and posting what should be an after hours thread in a serious forum such as this.