Muntjac sighting in Northern Ireland

zulu_dawn

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8082155.stm

jwshooter

feckers are every where.

Nimrod69

The little rascal was involved in a "RTA" actually had it on TV, young buck but they have been seen a number of times ...

BryanL

I think it's sickeningly selfish that people would introduce an animal like this into a country so dependent on agriculture.
That it has most likely been done by so called hunters is embarrassing to me.
Bryan

jwshooter

BryanL wrote: »

I think it's sickeningly selfish that people would introduce an animal like this into a country so dependent on agriculture.
That it has most likely been done by so called hunters is embarrassing to me.
Bryan

what evidance do you have that its hunters that have introduced them.
i know people in the uk that keep them in there back garden as pets .
they eat out of there hands.
they become very tame and make nice pets.

like to hunt

id love one as a pet. lovely little things.:D:D:D:D:D

BryanL

jwshooter wrote: »

what evidance do you have that its hunters that have introduced them.
i know people in the uk that keep them in there back garden as pets .
they eat out of there hands.
they become very tame and make nice pets.

Do those people hunt?
Only evidence is your buddy , paul woods chatting on the mooney goes wild show and the Duchas representative. That and a bit of common sense
Bryan

kakashka

Not seen any in pet shops!!!

jwshooter

BryanL wrote: »

Do those people hunt?
Only evidence is your buddy , paul woods chatting on the mooney goes wild show and the Duchas representative. That and a bit of common sense
Bryan

there you go again presuming things ,
and as every one knows presumptions are the mother of all <errors>

i dont know paul woods only ever talked to the man once or twice .
and no they do not shoot ,the muntjac are semi wild but they will hand feed .

common sense is not that common.

NoNameRanger

jwshooter wrote: »

what evidance do you have that its hunters that have introduced them.
i know people in the uk that keep them in there back garden as pets .
they eat out of there hands.
they become very tame and make nice pets.

They are kept as pets alright, by deerhunters!! Who are you trying to <fool>. I suppose hunters didn't release the wild boar either and Paul Woods didn't release the Sreebe deer in Galway or dump them in a stream, were they pets too? You can buy wildboar in Kerry and if they escape after you buy them, it was an accident:rolleyes: .

Who are you defending? You are obviously part of the cliche that thinks it's ok to release invasive damaging species into the wild to benefit yourselves. Then ye'll play the hero to the farmer when he wants them shot.:mad:

jwshooter

NoNameRanger wrote: »

They are kept as pets alright, by deerhunters!! Who are you trying to bull****. I suppose hunters didn't release the wild boar either and Paul Woods didn't release the Sreebe deer in Galway or dump them in a stream, were they pets too? You can buy wildboar in Kerry and if they escape after you buy them, it was an accident:rolleyes: .

Who are you defending? You are obviously part of the cliche that thinks it's ok to release invasive damaging species into the wild to benefit yourselves. Then ye'll play the hero to the farmer when he wants them shot.:mad:

every one has a opinion <snip>

i cant speak for paul woods you should give him a ring and ask him ,john

meathstevie

JW and Ranger I think the truth is somewhere in between your respective points of view. Escaped pets as well as less ethical hunters.

Sparks

Indeed - and both of you can express your views while remaining civil.
If ye can't, that's what the pub is for, though if ye think that things like libel and other concerns won't follow you to the pub, you've forgotten at least one case from Kerry between two hunters...

jwshooter

i would think muntjac wild boar and roe are hear to stay ,
best practice will make sure they dont be come a problem.

we cant compare ourselves to the uk .
as every square foot of shooting rights is managed by some one .
i spent a week hunting roe in surrey /Essex every farm had the sporting rights managed by a small group for pheasants/partridges with a keepers full or part time.
the deer are more than welcome on them,but there managed right.
a small few bucks were culled each year and the does were culled harder.

the group looking after the farms i hunted set the cull at the start of the season and the crop was harvested.

there was no big fuss about it ,the problem starts when the ground is to big for the group managing it or they just cant be bothered getting a bit of hardship on a wet day.

clivej

Would one possible answer to the Muntjac problem is to declare them as vermine without a closed season. No deer license required. Minimun calibre could be .22 center fire.

NoNameRanger

Sparks wrote: »

Indeed - and both of you can express your views while remaining civil.
If ye can't, that's what the pub is for, though if ye think that things like libel and other concerns won't follow you to the pub, you've forgotten at least one case from Kerry between two hunters...

What do you mean? think you misunderstood the tone, but i didn't see what you edited from JWS post. Is Bulls*** not a verb yet?:)

jwshooter wrote: »

i would think muntjac wild boar and roe are hear to stay ,
best practice will make sure they dont be come a problem.

we cant compare ourselves to the uk .
as every square foot of shooting rights is managed by some one .
i spent a week hunting roe in surrey /Essex every farm had the sporting rights managed by a small group for pheasants/partridges with a keepers full or part time.
the deer are more than welcome on them,but there managed right.
a small few bucks were culled each year and the does were culled harder.

the group looking after the farms i hunted set the cull at the start of the season and the crop was harvested.

there was no big fuss about it ,the problem starts when the ground is to big for the group managing it or they just cant be bothered getting a bit of hardship on a wet day.

That all sounds very nice John, but they have major deer problems in the UK too. Population grows every year and expands its range the same way our does. And they have the Deer commission. We can't manage the deer we have in Ireland as it stands, we are hardly going to manage the new, harder to control species that breed much more prolifically than any sika or fallow deer.

For some people there will never be enough deer, the farming community will soon meet their threshold. The Irish population is out of control due to a lack of management and now those that say they are looking after it have made it 10 times worse by introducing Muntjac, Boar and Roe. And they keep telling us it's all going to be fine.

clivej wrote: »

Would one possible answer to the Muntjac problem is to declare them as vermine without a closed season. No deer license required. Minimun calibre could be .22 center fire.

It would take a change in legislation to reduce the caliber below .220 swift or .22-250 with 60 grain bullets. The season is open all year round already, why would you declare muntjac vermin and not sika or fallow for that matter?

BryanL

jwshooter wrote: »

there you go again presuming things ,
and as every one knows presumptions are the mother of all <errors>

i dont know paul woods only ever talked to the man once or twice .
and no they do not shoot ,the muntjac are semi wild but they will hand feed .

common sense is not that common.

What am i presuming? Both people on the show said they were brought in by hunters! The only difference of opinion was the deer hunter said it wasn't a problem, while Duchas said it was.

Bryan

zulu_dawn

clivej

check out SI 346 of 2008, http://www.environ.ie/en/Legislation/Heritage/NatureConservation/ this amends SI 550 of 2005.

there is no closed season for Muntjac since 27th August 2008.

jwshooter

where is the biggest populations of deer living in ireland .

answers on a post card ,please send it to the npws

clivej

zulu_dawn wrote: »

clivej

check out SI 346 of 2008, http://www.environ.ie/en/Legislation/Heritage/NatureConservation/ this amends SI 550 of 2005.
there is no closed season for Muntjac since 27th August 2008.

I do realise that there is not a closed season for muntjac.

I was trying to put forward a view of "No closed season. No deer license required. Minimun calibre could be .22 center fire. Threat them as vermine".

In fact an Open season without the need for a "special" license (a deer license). Let everyone shoot them on their permissions like fox shooting. Just wipe them out if it's possible to do that.



And this is the 1000th post from me.

It wasn't me!

Roe? Since when? Never saw anything about that? Whereabouts?

Grizzly 45

Ditto! And whereabouts are the Wild boar,or feral pigs???
If they are farmed wild boar,dont you have to have a dangerous animal liscense to keep and breed them like in the UK?

kakashka

clivej wrote: »

I do realise that there is not a closed season for muntjac.

I was trying to put forward a view of "No closed season. No deer license required. Minimun calibre could be .22 center fire. Threat them as vermine".

In fact an Open season without the need for a "special" license (a deer license). Let everyone shoot them on their permissions like fox shooting. Just wipe them out if it's possible to do that.



And this is the 1000th post from me.

And this is exactly what the guilty partys are hoping for Clive(ope season no licence)
Should be exterminated but hardly possible without serious effort(and thats not going to happen)
+ the same <people> are just going to bring them in again :mad:
ps congrats on your 1000th!!is there a prize or something

kakashka

Language???please explain Sparks

jwshooter

kakashka wrote: »

Language???please explain Sparks

i just think sparks does not like me, but im sure il live with it .

Sparks

kakashka wrote: »

Language???please explain Sparks

From the forum charter:

Bad language is unacceptable. This board is for discussion not hurling abuse at others and it does nothing to promote an active discussion.

lordarpad

Hmmm

I do admit that on balance I like the idea of more species. Ireland has an ecology that is poor in species and every little bit helps.

And to second (or third) the question: What is this about roe deer? I have not seen this mentioned before? Also weird since roe deer occupy a very similar niche to the muntjac.

chem

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Ditto! And whereabouts are the Wild boar,or feral pigs???
If they are farmed wild boar,dont you have to have a dangerous animal liscense to keep and breed them like in the UK?

I might be wrong here. But I dont think there is such thing as a dangerous animal liscense here in Ireland.

kakashka

Sparks wrote: »

From the forum charter:bad language is unacceptable

I have never used bad language here Sparks.

Sparks

kakasha wrote:

the same <people> are just

You didn't say "<people>" there intially, did you? And no, I don't believe you were referring to the french connection UK retail outlet.

kakashka

Sparks wrote: »

You didn't say "<people>" there intially, did you? And no, I don't believe you were referring to the french connection UK retail outlet.

It's not a cuss is it??and SH1T etc is out also?i wont use again but seems a little odd..
Hope it Does not mean you dont like me ,can understand JW,but me!!!i'm such a good boy:):):)

kakashka

jwshooter wrote: »

where is the biggest populations of deer living in ireland .

answers on a post card ,please send it to the npws

My back garden...whats the prize???

Sparks

kakashka wrote: »

It's not a cuss is it?

Come on kakashka, you're not twelve.

kakashka

Sparks wrote: »

Come on kakashka, you're not twelve.

Some would dispute!!!:D:D:D
Fair enough i guess Sparks

Dusty87

I believe your right chem. I think once the animal is imported correctly, there is no licence etc. One could own a chimp, wild boar etc without a licence etc. Now iv read this on another forum here so im open to contradictions.

NoNameRanger

Roe have been released in Ireland. They have been seen.

No need to send postcards as JWS suggested, everybody knows that Irelands population of deer are in woodlands by day and farmers fields by night. Irelands biggest woodlands owner is coillte so no prizes for guessing where the biggest populations of deer are.:rolleyes:

BryanL

NNR would it not be possible for drives ,with hounds or beaters, to try and remove any alien populations before they get established?
Bryan