Philadelphia, Here I Come! key moments and quotes

Claypigeon

^Title says it all!

Your own "essentials" list of quotes, key moments and bits and pieces.

I'll add this one I can think of: "'To hell with all strong men'" is said by Gar private when he becomes truly exasperated with the other males in his locality who are too stoic and (supposedly) unfeeling to share their love for family, friends and others in their lives and society at large

Another one for showing the poor communication skills caused by this male stereotype being conformed to is when Gar's friends come to say goodbye only after Madge's dragging and urging, and their only true farewell is when they give him random crap such as one guy's belt.

When S.B. is reading the newspaper, but it's upside-down.

The key moment is surely when Public Gar loses the plot at Katy and then after that for a while Public and Private Gar swap places, Public is willing to say what he feels and Private is trying to restrain him.

One key moment has to be when S.B is talking to Madge about Gar in his 'Wee sailor suit'..?

gars interview with senator-'left a scar on the aul skitter of my soul'-ego shattered from rejection

gar to madge-'give me a piece of your courage'-admires madge for her frankness and comminication skills

madge-gar and s.b are as ' two peas in a pod'

At dinner when Private says (well cries I'd imagine) "Say something father!" I like it 'cause it shows how both of them can't express themselves.

''The chat in this place would deafen a body''-Madge

Important point :
-The canon
-SB
-Gar
-Gar's friends
All of them have severe problems expressing themselves! The only man who can express himself is an alcoholic! I took out silent to emphasise the men part, it isn't that neccessary with strong included to show that it's a part of their "facade" of masculinity as seen as physical brawn and little communication

this place will be quiet enough, soon enough, long enough.-madge trying to get s.b and gar to talk

"screwballs say something! say something father!"-Gar

"what would you care about money Canon, as long as you get your three weeks in tenerife every winter"-not sure thats the right wording but thats the gist of it! Private, attitude to religion.

Cultural context shows class division between people in ballybeg. Senator doogan doesnt want kate to marry a shopkeeper!

Gars mam went out with master boyle before she married S.B

'Suppose we cant complain'-sb every night-stuck in routine+emotinally stunted

'So How are the O'donnel family?'-canon every visit-routine control-even speech is curtailed and predictable

grand daughter of Russian prince- gar escaping through fantasy-living bachelor life in philadelphia

Gar private's ability to predict every word S.B says highlights the monotonous, predictable culture they live in and ultimately highlights the type of 'strong, silent men' so evident in ballybeg.

BLARG

I was under the impression quotes in Comparative were just nice bonuses but not necessary?

-Kenny-

one key moment has to be when S.B is talking to Madge about Gar in his 'Wee sailor suit'..?

Claypigeon

Aye absolutely but they buff up your answer lots and make you feel a lot more confident and in control - also shows you know your text rather well!

Dumbledore

The key moment is surely when Public Gar loses the plot at Katy and then after that for a while Public and Private Gar swap places, Public is willing to say what he feels and Private is trying to restrain him.

When S.B. is reading the newspaper, but it's upside-down.

Claypigeon

-Kenny- wrote: »

one key moment has to be when S.B is talking to Madge about Gar in his 'Wee sailor suit'..?

Absolutely, good one, I'll stick these in the OP for people's easy reading and skimming!

I'll add this one I can think of: "'To hell with all strong men'" is said by Gar private when he becomes truly exasperated with the other males in his locality who are too stoic and (supposedly) unfeeling to share their love for family, friends and others in their lives and society at large

Another one for showing the poor communication skills caused by this male stereotype being conformed to is when Gar's friends come to say goodbye only after Madge's dragging and urging, and their only true farewell is when they give him random crap such as one guy's belt.

Claypigeon

Very good posts, adding them into the OP!

BLARG

That quote should be "To hell with all strong silent types" maybe "To hell with all strong silent men" but I think types is right.

Claypigeon

BLARG wrote: »

That quote should be "To hell with all strong silent types" maybe "To hell with all strong silent men" but I think types is tight.

It's men, I'm 99,99% sure as the entire play has a theme of male stereotypes in society

-The canon
-SB
-Gar
-Gar's friends

All of them have severe problems expressing themselves! The only man who can express himself is an alcoholic! I took out silent to emphasise the men part, it isn't that neccessary with strong included to show that it's a part of their "facade" of masculinity as seen as physical brawn and little communication

Gi joe!

gars interview with senator-'left a scar on the aul skitter of my soul'-ego shattered from rejection

gar to madge-'give me a piece of your courage'-admires madge for her frankness and comminication skills

madge-gar and s.b are as ' two peas in a pod'

private gar to master boyle- 'you could have been my father'-anyone understand this one

sock puppet

At dinner when Private says (well cries I'd imagine) "Say something father!" I like it 'cause it shows how both of them can't express themselves.

Claypigeon

Gi joe! wrote: »

gars interview with senator-'left a scar on the aul skitter of my soul'-ego shattered from rejection

gar to madge-'give me a piece of your courage'-admires madge for her frankness and comminication skills

madge-gar and s.b are as ' two peas in a pod'

private gar to master boyle- 'you could have been my father'-anyone understand this one

Excellent stuff, not sure about the last one either too

Gi joe!

Claypigeon wrote: »

It's men, I'm 99,99% sure as the entire play has a theme of male stereotypes in society

-The canon
-SB
-Gar
-Gar's friends

All of them have severe problems expressing themselves! The only man who can express himself is an alcoholic! I took out silent to emphasise the men part, it isn't that neccessary with strong included to show that it's a part of their "facade" of masculinity as seen as physical brawn and little communication

Good post, if u know at least this going in you can write a load on it

GA361

''The chat in this place would deafen a body''-Madge

Claypigeon

Gi joe! wrote: »

Good post, if u know at least this going in you can write a load on it

I am very confident in my English for sure, it is just refreshing my knowledge of the set texts so I have something concrete to refer to that's vital for me at this point, hope this thread is helping others, too!

sock puppet

Gi joe! wrote: »

private gar to master boyle- 'you could have been my father'-anyone understand this one

I can't exactly remember the bits that aren't relevant to the exam but weren't Boyle and Gar's mother going out or something but she married SB presumably because he was more respectable? Or have I filled that in myself?:pac:

The best quote to use is "I don't know"

ya-ba-da-ba-doo

Big moment would have to be when gar fails to impress senator doogan and thus, failed to get kates hand in marraige. A strong reason for leaving to america no doubt! Also when we see aunt lizz basically pleading with gar to come is pathetic.

Claypigeon

ya-ba-da-ba-doo wrote: »

Big moment would have to be when gar fails to impress senator doogan and thus, failed to get kates hand in marraige. A strong reason for leaving to america no doubt! Also when we see aunt lizz basically pleading with gar to come is pathetic.

Not to offend or criticise in a mean way but how could this moment be used in relation to a theme?

phic

Gi joe! wrote: »

private gar to master boyle- 'you could have been my father'-anyone understand this one

Gars mam went out with master boyle before she married S.B

ya-ba-da-ba-doo

Claypigeon wrote: »

Not to offend or criticise in a mean way but how could this moment be used in relation to a theme?

Cultural context shows class division between people in ballybeg. Senator doogan doesnt want kate to marry a shopkeeper!

Claypigeon

Claypigeon wrote: »

Not to offend or criticise in a mean way but how could this moment be used in relation to a theme?

The theme of LOVE... Or failed Love. We see this is All texts. Also in CP where Toto fails with Elana, and elsewhere we see in CIOTDITN [Curious Incident] That Christopher falls out of love with his father Ed as he cannot trust him again, but in contrast to the other two texts Chris does eventually trust his father again and does find Love in both Sandy and Ed.

Claypigeon

phic wrote: »

Gars mam went out with master boyle before she married S.B

If this is the case then this quote may be useful in putting forward the argument that the stoicism and stony-faced attitudes of males in Ballybeg and Irish society at large at this time period was preserved through fathers being the only role models in the "bubble" of Donegal or whatever other small mini-society they existed within and rarely left - only when people embarked on a journey to America were they exposed to liberal opinions and the likes!

Deleted User wrote: »

The theme of LOVE... Or failed Love. We see this is All texts. Also in CP where Toto fails with Elana, and elsewhere we see in CIOTDITN [Curious Incident] That Christopher falls out of love with his father Ed as he cannot trust him again, but in contrast to the other two texts Chris does eventually trust his father again and does find Love in both Sandy and Ed.

Fair enough, I cover the theme of a father son relationship mostly and I personally wouldn't go for that PoV as a matter of style and personal writing. I don't do CIOTDITNT either.

phic

this place will be quiet enough, soon enough, long enough.-madge trying to get s.b and gar to talk

"screwballs say something! say something father!"-Gar

"what would you care about money Canon, as long as you get your three weeks in tenerife every winter"-not sure thats the right wording but thats the gist of it! Private, attitude to religion.

phic

Claypigeon wrote: »

If this is the case then this quote may be useful in putting forward the argument that the stoicism and stony-faced attitudes of males in Ballybeg and Irish society at large at this time period was preserved through fathers being the only role models in the "bubble" of Donegal or whatever other small mini-society they existed within and rarely left - only when people embarked on a journey to America were they exposed to liberal opinions and the likes!

Don't really understand that logic...?

Claypigeon

phic wrote: »

Don't really understand that logic...?

The fact that Gar is the way he is is caused by (in Gar's eyes) his father and his ways - it could be said that "You could have been my father" to a man who is utterly emotional is a bit of a "if only" - maybe then he would not be repressed and hardened to other people

phic

Claypigeon wrote: »

The fact that Gar is the way he is is caused by (in Gar's eyes) his father and his ways - it could be said that "You could have been my father" to a man who is utterly emotional is a bit of a "if only" - maybe then he would not be repressed and hardened to other people

Oh ok I see! yeah i'd definitly agree with that! Sorry didn't understand your first explanation!

Gi joe!

'Suppose we cant complain'-sb every night-stuck in routine+emotinally stunted

'So How are the O'donnel family?'-canon every visit-routine control-even speech is curtailed and predictable

grand daughter of Russian prince- gar escaping through fantasy-living bachelor life in philadelphia

Claypigeon

phic wrote: »

Oh ok I see! yeah i'd definitly agree with that! Sorry didn't understand your first explanation!

No problem - not at my most articulate when writing posts on this forum :P Hope my ideas are useful to you if you're stuck, too.

ya-ba-da-ba-doo

Gar private's ability to predict every word S.B says highlights the monotonous, predictable culture they live in and ultimately highlights the type of 'strong, silent men' so evident in ballybeg. Nice thread btw! Great revision!

Jam-Fly

Don't forget about Gar and the "blue boat". He has a memory of that with S.B. and sees it as the only time S.B. was unpredictable and fun. S.B. has little memory and Gar wonders if he has imagined it. Private says (not a quote) something along the lines of 'if you remember this S.B., there might be some hope and I'll stay'

ya-ba-da-ba-doo

^thanks nearly forgot bout that! Really good for GV+V. Another reason for gar's departure.. The ten minutes of extra work SB gets gar to do could also be seen as a way to get a few extra minutes with his son before he leaves

Claypigeon

Also a way of showing how even with good intentions the poor handling of emotions because of SB's inept communicative efforts wins out and breaks the relationship down bit by bit.

Jam-Fly

uick question about the 'wee salor suit'... was this on Gar's first day of school?

Okay, spent the last half-hour or so making brief notes and quotes...

Key moments for Philadelphia, Here I Come:

- S.B. reading newspaper upside down he really will miss Gar. CC - strong silent men in society

- S.B. talking to Made about 'wee sailor suit' and Gar's first day at school C.C - despite persona, S.B. does love Gar

- Gar predicting everyting S.B. is going to do and say C.C - again, role of men in society - predictable

- Gar lashing out at Kathy Doogan (Kathy or Katy?) T/I - poor communication

- Aunt Lizzy talking to Gar about coming to America etc. T/I - Lizzie able to communicate more clearly...C.C - America-Ireland, all that

- Gar failing to impress Sen. Doogan C.C - social classes

- Gar's friends visiting only after Made asked them C.C - poor communication in men...T/I - poor communication

- Gar's memory of the day at the lake on the 'blue boat'. S.B. when asked if he remembers replies "No, no I don't T/I - poor communication


Added a brief note after the key moments. C.C is Cultural Context and T/I is Theme/Issue (communication and lack thereof, in my case).


Useful quotes for Philadelphia...


"I could hear his bed creaking" - Madge (about S.B. - cannot sleep because he is thinking about Gar leaving despite his outward persona)

"But I'm damned if I am going to speak to him first" - Gar (stubborness, lack of communication)

"God, they'll wipe the bloody floor with me" - Gar (before meeting Sen. Doogan, social classes)

"We embarrass one another" - Gar (about S.B)

"Not like the O'Donnells, you know kinda cold" - Lizzie

"I hear no complaints" - Kate Doogan (shows distance between her and her husband, Dr. King, really wants to be with Gar)

"To hell with all strong silent men" - Gar (can be used in pretty much any answer about anything!)

"No, no I don't" - S.B. (when asked if he remembers the day on the lake)

"When the boss was his age, he was the very same....he'll turn out just the same" - Madge (talking about S.B. and Gar's similiarities)

"I don't know, I don't know" - last lines of the play