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[Req] Irish "Comeback" Stories

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  • 04-06-2009 5:54pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭


    Hi All,

    In this present era of doom and gloom, I’m looking for stories involving Irish people throughout history who have made remarkable comebacks. So far I have come up with the following 3 individuals. Can I ask any history enthusiasts out there if they can suggest any others?

    Thanks In Advance for all responses.

    1. Stephen Roche’s comeback against Pedro Delgado at La Plagne in the 1987 Tour De France in which Roche effectively sealed the tour itself.

    (See youtube sports footage and retrospective interview by Roche
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQojh-wqL04
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Wj6P2hyic)

    2. Johnny Logan’s comeback from the “one hit wonder” wilderness to become the first (and only) person to win the Eurovision Song Contest twice, also in 1987.

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQtJ4QwJ-Hg)

    3. Charlie Haughey’s climb back to the top of Fianna Fail to become Taoiseach in 1979 after the Arms Trial of 1970 almost ruined his political career.

    (Haughey Documentary: Episode 2).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Joe1919


    In some respects, Eamonn DeValera's return to America is a remarkable 'comeback' story. DeValera was born in America in circumstances that are controversal and he was sent home to Bruree to his granny to be reared. Some speculate that he wanted to be a priest but there was questions over his eligabality as his legitimacy could not be proved and at that time, it was was difficult to be admitted to the church if one was illegimate.
    I think Dev was a sensitive man,; He is alleged to have had a nervous breakdown in Bolands mills in 1916. There is some speculation that one of the reasons he was saved from execution was because there was a delay in finding his birth cert. ( The British could not execute him for treason if he was American and hence the necessity of his birth cert.) He was also considered by many to be very intelligent and a good mathmatician.
    His 'return' to America in 1919 was in ways a great triumph, a wonderful comeback. He left America as a child, whose mother could not keep him and whose parentage was so doubful that the church may have had reservations of accepting this obviously brillant man. His comeback to America was not that of another (possible) bastard child, he returned as the President of the Dail and would be introduced in America as the 'President of Ireland'.
    What a comeback!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭FrCrilly


    Thanks for all responses.

    I’ve just thought of another one. Ken Doherty’s amazing comeback at the 2003 World Snooker semi final against Paul Hunter. Doherty trailed 15 frames to 9, with winner being first to 17. In snooker terms, it was almost inconceivable that a player could put moral defeat aside and find the mental strength to comeback and win. However Doherty won the final session 8-1, to beat Hunter 17-16. Doherty went on to lose the final to Mark Williams, however 2003 became known as Williams’ title but Doherty’s championship. Doherty also gained the nickname “ComeBack Ken”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJD5wN9D4kE

    If anyone has any other comeback stories, feel free to keep them coming.

    Again, thanks in advance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭McArmalite


    With five minutes left in the game Limerick led by five points 2-13 to 1-11. Offaly were awarded a 21-yards free and Johnny Dooley stepped up to take it. He was instructed by the management team on the sideline to slot over a simple free, however, Dooley only had one thing on his mind. Seconds later the sliothar was in the Limerick net and Offaly were given a new lease of life. Straight after Joe Quaid’s puck-out the sliothar broke to an Offaly man again and was swiftly moved up the field. Thirty-five seconds after the first goal, Pat O'Connor slotted home a second to give his side the lead. As the Limerick team looked on stunned more points flew over the Limerick crossbar courtesy of Johnny Dooley, John Troy and three from Billy Dooley. With that the referee blew the full-time whistle and Offaly were the champions on a score line of 3-16 to 2-13.

    BTW, I'm not from Offaly, but it was an extraordinary comeback by any means.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭McArmalite


    When all seemed lost for the French army under Marshal De Saxe against the English, Dutch and Austrian Army under the Duke of Cumberland thanks to the fighting spirit of the Irish Brigade.

    The English, Dutch and Austrian Army were on the advance to relieve the siege of Tournai when they encountered the French. Cumberland decided to pin down the French right wing by attacking with the Austrian and Dutch contingents between Antoing and Fontenoy. While these attacks were being made the English and Hanoverians would advance between Fontenoy and the Bois de Bary across what appeared to be open ground. The French Army however put up a formidable defence and the Allies found the advance heavy going, taking many casualties as they attempted to break their opponents line. But Cumberland pressed on and eventually forced his way into the centre of the French position. The troops opposing him began to buckle. It was the critical moment of the battle.

    The battle looked lost with King Louis about to leave. At this critical point, Saxe ordered up his last reserve-the Irish Brigade. They were ordered to charge up a hill against the flank of the English with fixed bayonets without firing. Charging at the british up a slope shouting 'Cuimhnigidh ar Liumneac, agus ar fheile na Sacsanach,' (Remember Limerick and English faith) the English were immediately halted on the slope of a hill. In the vicious man to man fighting the English lines began to falter eventually breaking before the Irish bayonets, and tumbled down the far side of the hill disorganized, hopeless, and falling by hundreds. It happened on 11 May 1745 and surely must have been one of our greatest victories over the old enemy :)

    "And famed Fontenoy would have been a Waterloo,
    Were not these exiles ready then, fresh, vehement, and true . . .

    Like lions leaping at a fold, when mad with hunger's pang,
    Right up against the English line the Irish exiles sprang:

    Bright was their steel, 'tis bloody now;their guns are filled with gore;
    Through shattered ranks, and severed files,and trampled flags they tore.

    The English strove with desperate strength;paused, rallied, staggered, fled --
    The green hillside is matted close with dying and with dead.

    Across the plain, and far away passed on that hideous wrack,
    While cavalier and fantassin dash in upon their track.

    On Fontenoy, on Fontenoy, like eagles in the sun,
    With bloody plumes the Irish stand -- the field is fought and won!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭conchubhar1


    i read a book, skimmed, about the irish speaking soldiers and officers? in fonntenoy
    by liam mac coil


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 mrtaylor1981


    McArmalite wrote: »
    When all seemed lost for the French army under Marshal De Saxe against the English, Dutch and Austrian Army under the Duke of Cumberland thanks to the fighting spirit of the Irish Brigade.

    The English, Dutch and Austrian Army were on the advance to relieve the siege of Tournai when they encountered the French. Cumberland decided to pin down the French right wing by attacking with the Austrian and Dutch contingents between Antoing and Fontenoy. While these attacks were being made the English and Hanoverians would advance between Fontenoy and the Bois de Bary across what appeared to be open ground. The French Army however put up a formidable defence and the Allies found the advance heavy going, taking many casualties as they attempted to break their opponents line. But Cumberland pressed on and eventually forced his way into the centre of the French position. The troops opposing him began to buckle. It was the critical moment of the battle.

    The battle looked lost with King Louis about to leave. At this critical point, Saxe ordered up his last reserve-the Irish Brigade. They were ordered to charge up a hill against the flank of the English with fixed bayonets without firing. Charging at the british up a slope shouting 'Cuimhnigidh ar Liumneac, agus ar fheile na Sacsanach,' (Remember Limerick and English faith) the English were immediately halted on the slope of a hill. In the vicious man to man fighting the English lines began to falter eventually breaking before the Irish bayonets, and tumbled down the far side of the hill disorganized, hopeless, and falling by hundreds. It happened on 11 May 1745 and surely must have been one of our greatest victories over the old enemy :)

    "And famed Fontenoy would have been a Waterloo,
    Were not these exiles ready then, fresh, vehement, and true . . .

    Like lions leaping at a fold, when mad with hunger's pang,
    Right up against the English line the Irish exiles sprang:

    Bright was their steel, 'tis bloody now;their guns are filled with gore;
    Through shattered ranks, and severed files,and trampled flags they tore.

    The English strove with desperate strength;paused, rallied, staggered, fled --
    The green hillside is matted close with dying and with dead.

    Across the plain, and far away passed on that hideous wrack,
    While cavalier and fantassin dash in upon their track.

    On Fontenoy, on Fontenoy, like eagles in the sun,
    With bloody plumes the Irish stand -- the field is fought and won!"
    What do you mean " one of our greatest victories over the old enemy ". What other victories have the Irish ever had over Great Britain. The battle of the Yellow Ford in Fermanagh and that's about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭McArmalite


    What do you mean " one of our greatest victories over the old enemy ". What other victories have the Irish ever had over Great Britain. The battle of the Yellow Ford in Fermanagh and that's about it.

    Battle of Dysert O'Dea (1318)

    Battle of Glenmalure (1580)

    Battle of Clontibret (1595)

    Battle of Curlew Pass (1599)

    Battle of Julianstown (1641)

    Battle of Benburb (1646)

    Enniscorthy, Oulart Hill, Co.Wexford., Collooney Co.Sligo Castlebar ( also known as the Races of Castlebar. as it was a total rout, the british cavalry didn't stop running until they got to Athlone !!!! )1798


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭IIMII


    Clonmel 1650 was a sweet one too. Wasn't there also a battle during the 9 year war about Tyrellspass?


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