.25-06 for deer/fox

newby.204

i tired searchin for threads on .25-06, but i turned nothin up, so basically anybody runnin it?? what do you think of it? what rifle have you got it in and do you use it for deer? or fox? whats accuracy like? and if you have any pics of what you got will you throw em up

thanks newby

foxshooter243

I dont have one myself but they are considered a good deer/varmint rifle by all accounts, it looks like they fit into the niche well for a deer hunter in Ireland and are an excellent fox or varminting round using 75 grain v max loads- my only gripe about the 25-o6 would be that if you were reloading for it its a tad sore on powder being an overbore cartridge.
JWShooter runs one and would be better placed to describe its attributes in the field;)

newby.204

cheers for the info

Grizzly 45

If you could Reload your ammo here.... :rolleyes:
Which is the big secret to the 25.06 reload it for various shooting tasks.
It is IMHO then one of the best all round calibres.

newby.204

thanks grizzly

jwshooter

the 25,06 is a excellent calibre for a one rifle set up.
the 85gr ballistic tips will give the flattest trajectory out to 300yds a inch high at a 100yds it will only drop 5" at 300 and 15" at 400.

iv seen the biggest sika stags dropped on the spot with a 100gr ballistic tips
this would be my favourite bullet in this cal.

the 117gr is still doing 3000+fps .

cant recommend the 25,06 enough.have no worries about it doing the job.

you can forget about reloading as it will not happen.

newby.204

can i ask what rifle/scope/ ammo combo your usin jw??

jwshooter

sako 75, swro 4-16x50 tds4. warne mounts .i got the 25,06 rebarreled last summer as the groups were starting to open out to a inch +.

newby.204

is there an alright choice of ammo, seen as reloading seems to be out the window, im planning on using it for fox and deer

jwshooter

federal 117gr spot point is a brilliant round in it ,there cheap and very accurate as a all round bullet you cant go wrong.

what rifle are you thinking about the T3 shoots the 25,06 very well

newby.204

I had my heart set on a rem 700, but hadn thought of the tika t3, was in a dealers during the week and he had a sako 75 stainless .25-06 in a mcmillan stock and it just kinda went from there, i had narrowed my cal choise down to .243, he then put me onto .25-06 and i read up on it and now im interested!!!

jwshooter

newby.204 wrote: »

I had my heart set on a rem 700, but hadn thought of the tika t3, was in a dealers during the week and he had a sako 75 stainless .25-06 in a mcmillan stock and it just kinda went from there, i had narrowed my cal choise down to .243, he then put me onto .25-06 and i read up on it and now im interested!!!

thats what i have on my one but its a .270 these days as i have a 243

newby.204

nice lookin rifle you have there, considering what i want the rifle for what would be a good twist rate?

jwshooter

newby.204 wrote: »

nice lookin rifle you have there, considering what i want the rifle for what would be a good twist rate?

i dont bother to much with that stuff .im more in to blood that ballistics
but i thing the walther barrel is one in ten twist .

once the gun shoots tight groups thats all i care about.

newby.204

fair point cant fault you there

It wasn't me!

It's a good round. Good range of weights in excellent bullet constructions, and seems to be reasonably well priced to run as well. I'm really looking forward to picking up mine.

fish slapped

This is a route I'm interested in but I'm thinking .243, 25/06 or 6.5 and dual role rifle .I'm wondering about ammo prices for the 3 cal's???

jwshooter

the only round is the 6.5x55 that is any good is the 120gr norma v max at 45 euros a box of 20 .

the other two federal spft points start at 20+

the 25,06 is your best bet as a duel rifle, i would not let a 6.5 in to the house

Crested

jwshooter wrote: »

the only round is the 6.5x55 that is any good is the 120gr norma v max at 45 euros a box of 20 .

the other two federal spft points start at 20+

the 25,06 is your best bet as a duel rifle, i would not let a 6.5 in to the house

Can I ask why you wouldn't let a 6.5 'into the house'? I shoot with one and cannot fault it.

kakashka

Crested wrote: »

Can I ask why you wouldn't let a 6.5 'into the house'? I shoot with one and cannot fault it.

+1...???

Sika_Stalker

Crested wrote: »

Can I ask why you wouldn't let a 6.5 'into the house'? I shoot with one and cannot fault it.

the usual answer is slow speed and large sectional density,
personal i woundn't have one but with the 120 normas which are i think nosler billistic tips and the federal 140 soft points i have seen good results from other lads.
myself i use a 25-06 and cant fault it from 85gr nosler ballistic tips to 117gr hornady sst's is can drop anything with-in our shores

Crested

Thanks Sika. I have used both norma 120 and federal 140 and find them both spot on in terms of consistency over varying ranges - more than pleased with this aspect of it.

I have never had a problem with the 6.5 and fully believe that it is more than capable of standing up to the job to anything on our shores so I'm gald you have seen good results from it.

I'm still not sure why speed or sectional density are seen as cons though as I have never encountered a problem that could be put down to that.

25-06 reads nice, but never shot one.

kakashka

Far too much emphysis put on flat shooting rounds IMHO
AFAICS The main reason for 6.5 being unpopular is velocity.
While it is a slow round it is also fantastically consistant with very high Ballistic Coefficients,a VERY accurate round
As for high sectional density,well it's generally considered a plus.
KKK.

fish slapped

Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure ye will) but isn't the lapua 109gr senicar going out @ over 3000 f/s thats not too slow. Although the senicar is a bthp would ye count it as a hunting round??

jwshooter

fish slapped wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure ye will) but isn't the lapua 109gr senicar going out @ over 3000 f/s thats not too slow. Although the senicar is a bthp would ye count it as a hunting round??

it would be a good round in the right hands ,ie well placed head or neck shots.

almost every one that has a 6.5x55 in the uk will load for it and load it hot.
among stalkers in wicklow that are doing a good bit the 6.5 is not popular.
its more popular in the midlands and the mid west for fallow.

i have seen to many lost deer with it to like it.

deerhunter1

jwshooter wrote: »

it would be a good round in the right hands ,ie well placed head or neck shots.

almost every one that has a 6.5x55 in the uk will load for it and load it hot.
among stalkers in wicklow that are doing a good bit the 6.5 is not popular.
its more popular in the midlands and the mid west for fallow.

i have seen to many lost deer with it to like it.

i agree had one in sako 75 delux very accurate but did not kill deer outright like other calibers i had. i heard that the 25-06 though an excellant calibre and the yanks love it, causes a lot of meat damage and prone to richoette quite a bit

jwshooter

deerhunter1 wrote: »

i agree had one in sako 75 delux very accurate but did not kill deer outright like other calibers i had. i heard that the 25-06 though an excellant calibre and the yanks love it, causes a lot of meat damage and prone to richoette quite a bit

all depends where you place your shot ,a 243 will cause as much damage on a badly placed shot..
there not inclined to richoette ,as there a very high velocity round one of the fastest hunting cals and are more inclined to fragment or explode

deerhunter1

jwshooter wrote: »

all depends where you place your shot ,a 243 will cause as much damage on a badly placed shot..
there not inclined to richoette ,as there a very high velocity round one of the fastest hunting cals and are more inclined to fragment or explode

ok thanks for that

It wasn't me!

If you could load a 6.5x55 hot, it would be a very nice round, just spot on in terms of weight, bullet design is great and accuracy is excellent. Unfortunately, factory ammo is very mild and as such, velocities are low.

kakashka

jwshooter wrote: »

i have seen to many lost deer with it to like it

I would consider that pilot error

kakashka

fish slapped wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure ye will) but isn't the lapua 109gr senicar going out @ over 3000 f/s thats not too slow. Although the senicar is a bthp would ye count it as a hunting round??

AFAIK The Lapua scenar would be classed as target round FS,i use in .308,best results for me.

kakashka

deerhunter1 wrote: »

i heard that the 25-06 though an excellant calibre and the yanks love it, causes a lot of meat damage and prone to richoette quite a bit

I think any high velocity round will cause a lot of damage,even with a perfect body shot the shock hydraulic's blood and causes a lot of bruising
270 being the worst for this in my experience.

dwighet

Fish....Take a look at the 7mm08 aswell...Im using fed vital shock 140gn(nosler partition) in mine.. im getting 2800 fps with 2437 foot pounds energy at the muzzle...ammo selection is a bit limited but not as scarce as the 6.5x55. its just a 243 on steroids and a 308`s little brother... but my 7mm08 is solely for deer and not for fox.I have the 223 for him

But me thinks the 25-06 is a cracking round for a dual purpose rifle(deer and fox)

jwshooter

kakashka wrote: »

I think any high velocity round will cause a lot of damage,even with a perfect body shot the shock hydraulic's blood and causes a lot of bruising
270 being the worst for this in my experience.

every time a debate on the 65.x55 starts its users come out with the same cleshays.
it had a high BC its ,mild recoiling,its very accurate,the swedes have been shooting moose for decades with it .

all true ,but its still a crap cal for the type of shooting we mostly have in ireland ,soft wood forest edge or ride lines.

unless the user loads it hot or uses a light fast bullet like the 129gr ballistic tip.

if you shoot and animal behind the shoulder broad side a hard compound in the bullet that is only traveling at @ 2,600fps
that is commonly seen in the 6.5 cal will pass through and do little damage .

where a 243 using a 80gr soft point bullet with the exact same shot placement will destroy the vitals and put your animal down faster . "simples".

as far as meat damage goes its down to shot placement

"a little bit of meat is better than no meat "

dwighet

jwshooter wrote: »

every time a debate on the 65.x55 starts its users come out with the same cleshays.
it had a high BC its ,mild recoiling,its very accurate,the swedes have been shooting moose for decades with it .

all true ,but its still a crap cal for the type of shooting we mostly have in ireland ,soft wood forest edge or ride lines.

unless the user loads it hot or uses a light fast bullet like the 129gr ballistic tip.

if you shoot and animal behind the shoulder broad side a hard compound in the bullet that is only traveling at @ 2,600fps
that is commonly seen in the 6.5 cal will pass through and do little damage .

where a 243 using a 80gr soft point bullet with the exact same shot placement will destroy the vitals and put your animal down faster . "simples".

as far as meat damage goes its down to shot placement

"a little bit of meat is better than no meat "

Bang on again J.W.
I shot a swede last season and had to track at least 25% of my deer and lost 2....The 2 I lost left a bad taste in my mouth as I was disgusted I could not find them...Bye Bye Swede..This year should be a different story(I hope)

It wasn't me!

Dwighet, if that new 7mm-08 kicks half as hard on the receiving end as it does on your shoulder, you'll have no worries.

kakashka

jwshooter wrote: »

every time a debate on the 65.x55 starts its users come out with the same cleshays.
it had a high BC its ,mild recoiling,its very accurate,the swedes have been shooting moose for decades with it .

all true ,but its still a crap cal for the type of shooting we mostly have in ireland ,soft wood forest edge or ride lines.

unless the user loads it hot or uses a light fast bullet like the 129gr ballistic tip.

if you shoot and animal behind the shoulder broad side a hard compound in the bullet that is only traveling at @ 2,600fps
that is commonly seen in the 6.5 cal will pass through and do little damage .

where a 243 using a 80gr soft point bullet with the exact same shot placement will destroy the vitals and put your animal down faster . "simples".

as far as meat damage goes its down to shot placement

"a little bit of meat is better than no meat "

I use a variety of calibers and am not one for simply pushing what i use or own!!
6.5 is ideal for this type of shooting IMO(why would anyone use a hard compound Bullet!!!)
However i never take body shots,if i cant drop on the spot i dont pull.
I also use .243 on Reds,Sika,Hybrid and Fallow and yet to get into trouble with it
Yes a little bit of meat is better than nothing but if your after a little then dont try to get a lot,visit your butcher instead.

Hezz700

There are other options available caliber wise if your looking for something different,

For instance, I've had experience with 7x57 in the Uk and found it to be an exceptional round.

Ammo choice is'nt too shabby either,

Remington 140gr PSP

Federal 140 and 175 SP

Norma 156 SP

Dunno if anyone stocks it here though.

It wasn't me!

Hezz700 wrote: »

There are other options available caliber wise if your looking for something different,

For instance, I've had some experience with 7x57 in the Uk and found it to be an exceptional round.

Ammo choice is'nt too shabby either,

Remington 140gr PSP

Federal 140 and 175 SP

Norma 156 SP

Dunno if anyone stocks it here though.

Interestingly enough, I saw some in my local gun-dealer's the other day and was discussing it with IRLConor as it seems an excellent cartridge. According to Wiki, a 140gr round can be boosted to nearly 3000fps, which is a great velocity for the bullet weight.

Hezz700

Which dealer was that?, and what do you know what the price was?

It wasn't me!

Hezz700 wrote: »

Which dealer was that?, and what do you know what the price was?

It was Tallaght Rod and Gun. Their prices are quite high, so I'd expect around €30 a box anyway, but if you found it elsewhere, it would be cheaper.

Hezz700

It wasn't me! wrote: »

It was Tallaght Rod and Gun. Their prices are quite high, so I'd expect around €30 a box anyway, but if you found it elsewhere, it would be cheaper.

Thanks for that, i must check it out. I have'nt been there in 4 or 5 years.

Crested

jwshooter wrote: »

every time a debate on the 65.x55 starts its users come out with the same cleshays.

......

"a little bit of meat is better than no meat "

I can only talk for my own experience and cannot fault the 6.5. Just interested in hearing why some people 'think' it's unsuitable.

I've heard more than enough.