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Asked of all the Irish MEP Candidates

  • 03-06-2009 11:26am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭


    What are your thoughts on how the latest proposed amendments to the Irish Firearms Acts - as contained in the Criminal Justice (Misc.Provisions) Bill 2009 - contravene the EU directive on Firearms (91/477/EEC) by requiring all Irish firearms owners to only purchase ammunition or firearms from _Irish_ registered firearms dealers instead of the current (and in force since 1964) laws that allow them to purchase from any registered firearms dealer in the EU so long as the appropriate paperwork is in place?
    I realise it's a slightly specialised interest (only 200,000 or so people out of the 4 million electorate), but I though the FF-vs-EU angle might be of interest to some...


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  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Will you publish the replies here? In the unlikely event that you get any...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Will do (and probably over in Shooting as well).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Received:
    Where as I do not know as much about this subject as you (there are so many), I can say this.
    Were I to vote on such an issue, it would be in Brussels. I can assure you that I would read thoroughly through legislation and discuss that with interested parties on the ground.
    My thoughts on the free movement of goods and services means that I would tend toward the second scenario that you outline in your question, i.e. that people should be able to purchase goods and wares (ammunition for hunting or shooting, et cereta) provided that they have in their possession all of the correct documents that are required under the existing act in force.
    I am disappointed with the transposition of EU law into the Irish Statute books, and it is my consistent impression that the delays in this process are caused by the Central Party in Dublin requiring time to set up the various companies and so forth, that then proceed to benefit economically once the regulations are transposed to the Irish law books.
    As a journalist covering the release of EU legislation, and one who (by means of being an Irishman) keeps a close watch on how the central party in Dublin "use" and "apply" those laws in practise : I see first hand the dynamics that are at work in Ireland in this regard.

    I hope and trust that this answers your question. Could you let me know if I have left something out that is important to you ... you who feel strongly about this issue. May I ask : what is your opinion and do you own a rifle yourself ? What is the price difference between purchasing goods that fall under this Irish Statute in the UK and/or in France?

    My prerogative is that the people in the area, those involved on the ground, are the most informed groups when it comes to very specific matters such as this one.

    It will be my policy to listen to that knowledge, (and thereby hope to take most of it in as it is very often highly expert information depending on the citizens area of special expertise) , and after listening to how policies will effect those operating "on the ground" , I will act accordingly in the interests of those people.

    After all, it is they who I shall be representing here in the Benelux~!

    Best wishes ,
    Noel

    PS :Sorry for the late reply> My campaign is somewhat slow this week as I had to leave my home due to threats on my life.

    --
    Noel McCullagh,
    Candidate, North-West constituency


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    sensible enough reply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Received:
    I understand that you will shorrtly receive a response from my colleague representing the Fien Gael view.

    Mise le Meas,

    Senator John Paul Phelan

    Replied:
    Sparks wrote:
    Thank you Senator, I have indeed already received an email from the FG political director, but it doesn't actually answer my specific question regarding the conflict between the new proposed Irish firearms legislation and the current EU firearms directive - perhaps a more specific statement on that conflict might be made?
    Yours in Sport,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Received:
    This a very serious issue that effects more than 236,000 lawful individuals in this country. While measures must be taken to fight the rise of gun crime on our streets, the bill was too hasty in its preparation and showed a lack of foresight and consideration for lawful firearms owners. There is no evidence to show that legally held handguns, or stolen legally held handguns, have been used in the commission of any crime. The Labour Party fully supports the law being brought up to date in the matter of licensing of firearms, their security and their use. We do not support, however, measures purportedly introduced to tackle crime being used instead to put legitimate sports clubs out of business. Handgun target shooting sports in Ireland is not insignificant as a sport and is a dimension of indigenous rural business in some counties. If there was evidence that any of the handguns used in any of the 40-odd shooting ranges were finding their way into the hands of the criminals using firearms in our estates and on our streets, then Labour would support the banning of handguns. But we don't have that evidence. The Government must revisit this legislation to ensure lawful firearms owners are not unfairly discriminated against.

    Regards,

    Nessa


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Received:
    Thank you very much for your email. I will bring your query regarding the amendments to the Irish Firearms Acts to the attention of Mr Ryan and get back to you with his response and thoughts on this issue as soon as possible.

    Yours sincerely,
    Laura Real
    Assistant to Eoin Ryan MEP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    I think Nessa Childers gave you the best answer yet...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Some 200,000 shooters would agree!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Summarising all of these here in case it's of interest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Received as a follow-up:
    Thanks for that extra information
    I like sports too, I'm a swimmer. |(not to technical as your sport)|

    the situation you describe sounds ludicrous..! And I imagine, that having a gun dealer import your materials back into the country would not be done for free!

    makes enjoying oneself and competing for their country more tedious with bureaucracy than it would otherwise be!

    Thanks for the information. I look forward to returning on this issue with you for a press article , if not as a parliamentarian!
    Noel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    Is Labour consistent with her statement though in their politics?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Certainly seem to be - Howlin was quite vocal on the side of shooters in the Dail when the 2004 Criminal Justice Bill was being debated (that one rewrote pretty much the entire Firearms Act in it's "miscellaneous" section), and Rabbitte is being quite vocal, again on the side of shooters, in the Dail when the current Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill was being debated and has promised to continue that in Committee.

    (And yes, every time a shooter sees the word "Miscellaneous" on legislation coming from the DoJ, we do get worried :D )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Received:
    I am unfamiliar with these laws in relation to weapons and the interaction
    between state and EU law. I would need to study it more. Would this be a tax
    generated i.e. more tax liable to be collected from sales in Ireland? It
    would immediately strike me, that EU law is dominant. I have stated in my
    Election literature that we have moved from a defensive conservative society
    to an aggressive secular domain. This is happening to have sad repercussions
    because there are more and more people around with less religious scruples.
    They have no fear and leads to a sad increase in gun related crime. The
    authorities have to try and stop this sudden breakout of wrongdoing. This
    manifests itself in the Big Brother Syndrome. Sadly the whole legal and
    justice edifice is overseen by people who can´t remember, did not hear, and
    were not there, when asked to account for their own actions. Yes in this
    system it is the normal law abiding citizen who feels aggrieved. This need
    not be the case if leaders have ideals and are prepared to step down from
    office when they get things wrong. It really amazes me that our leaders put
    themselves back up for re-election when they have turned us into a country
    riddled with Debt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Received:
    Thanks for your question. To be honest, I haven´t received any correspondence on this particular issue so wasn´t aware of it but I will bring it to the attention of the Labour Party´s justice spokesperson in the Dail, Pat Rabbitte TD who´s dealing with it in the Dail. Our initial position on the Minister´s proposals is set out in Pat´s statement of 20 May, available at
    www.labour.ie
    Best wishes,
    Proinsias De Rossa MEP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Received:
    a chara,
    Thank you for your query. Sinn Fein gave a general welcome to the firearms section of the Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2009 but have not yet taken positions on each individual provision.

    During debates on legislation on this issue in 2006, my colleague Aengus Ã? Snodaigh TD called for an effective and modern licensing regime to allow for gun clubs and sport to continue while ensuring prudent gun control in the interests of public safety.

    The ultimate objective of Sinn Fein´s approach to this legislation will be to achieve the right balance in terms of gun control and public safety while allowing the legitimate use of firearms, in particular sporting competitions and farm use to continue.

    Is mise le meas,
    Mary Lou McDonald MEP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Christ John Francis Higgins' reply to you didn't address the topic at all and was just a list of random unrelated grievances.

    I'm assuming you did inform each of these that you would be reproducing their correspondence on here yes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    nesf wrote: »
    Christ John Francis Higgins' reply to you didn't address the topic at all and was just a list of random unrelated grievances.
    Yup. /shakes head
    I'm assuming you did inform each of these that you would be reproducing their correspondence on here yes?
    It was implicit since the questions went in via candidatewatch and were answered online (it just seemed a bit off to advertise the site in here).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Received:
    I am sorry but this is the first time that this issue has been brought to my attention and I am not familiar with the current state of play. I would be extremely reluctant to give you a reply before I have had a chance to carry out further research on it. I always feel it is unwise to comment on something that one is not well informed on. When I have done some research on the issue I will get back to you. Thank you for your question.
    All the best,
    Patricia


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