Has anyone tried GTR 3

Rockshamrover

Hi Folks, I am still looking at getting a guitar rig thing for use with Logic as I am not crazy about the inbuilt amp thing.

I have decent enough guitars but I don't have an amp (what?) so can't do the mic in front of the amp thing.

I've been looking at all the stuff online about all the different plugins out there and the one that looks good (or has the best marketing) is GTR 3 by Waves.

So has anyone any personal experience of it? Or do you have some recommendations of your own?

Thanks a bunch

Rock Sham Rover.

DamagedTrax

i used it for a while but never really got into it, ended up selling it with a ton of other waves licenses to fund new pc

have a look at the ik multimedia amplitube range. the fender edition is stunning, the twin is the closest thing ive heard in amp simulations and the prices are v v good. i got it with the ampeg svx edition in a 2 for 1 promo. i think they still have the promo running. if you're looking for something with more varied sounds look at amplitube 2 edition.

peavey revalver mk3 is also meant to be pretty special. ive only heard the demos but i liked the sound of it especially for harder rock or metal.

native instruments guitar rig is pretty cool for fx. the tape delay is really nice but im not too crazy about the sound output, i dont think it gets the roughness of a hardware amp quite right.

Rockshamrover

Thanks DT.

Interesting.

I lent my Strat to a friend of mine who has one of those 8 track recorders that record to memory card. The Strat sounded better on that than on Logic

Seziertisch

The quality of your DI input plays a very decisive role in the quality of the results an amp sim is capable of producing.

Also from a performance point of view a DI input on its own is not going to necessarily get the best results from a player. A great sounding tube amp will (allowing the player to ride the natural compression and feel of the amp). This is particularly true when it comes to distortion and overdrive tones. Also I find amp sims sometimes slightly difficult to get to sit naturally. They can be almost too pristine and larger than life sounding and have a level of polish that other elements in the track don't.

If you have a reasonable recording space then I would suggest going for a good amp and a few pedals over going the software route.

Also what kind of tones in particular are you looking for? This will give us a better idea of what you are looking for.

Rockshamrover

Seziertisch wrote: »

The quality of your DI input plays a very decisive role in the quality of the results an amp sim is capable of producing.

Also from a performance point of view a DI input on its own is not going to necessarily get the best results from a player. A great sounding tube amp will (allowing the player to ride the natural compression and feel of the amp). This is particularly true when it comes to distortion and overdrive tones. Also I find amp sims sometimes slightly difficult to get to sit naturally. They can be almost too pristine and larger than life sounding and have a level of polish that other elements in the track don't.

If you have a reasonable recording space then I would suggest going for a good amp and a few pedals over going the software route.

Also what kind of tones in particular are you looking for? This will give us a better idea of what you are looking for.

Hi ST,

I am going in through an Apogee duet. This is supposed to be top notch but maybe just for vocals?

I am looking for a whole range of sounds from clean and warm right through to industrial grade distortion:D

What's the story on an amp, does it have to be cranked right up or can you get good results at low volumes? The reason I ask is because I am living in a terraced house.

Seziertisch

I haven't used the Duet so I can't say. It should work fine. I would suggest demoing some of the sims and seeing what you think.

Even a small amp can sometimes be too loud for a dwelling house. That said, if you can manage it (in may experience) even a 57 on an amp will give more satisfactory results (particularly for distorted tones).

Rockshamrover

Thanks again. That's the plan for now, try everything.

Rockshamrover

I have just been demoing Overlouds (makers of Breverb) TH1 guitar amp sim thing. It's really good.

Has anyone else tried it? Would love to hear your opinions.

Here's a link.

http://www.overloud.com/

fitz

I've a plan for this.
I'll be getting myself a THD Hotplate, which I'll be using for live work to get tone without excessive stage volume.

It also has a 'Load' setting which effectively turns off the speakers, but doesn't effect the Line Out of the Hotplate.

So, essentially, I can run my AC30 or custom built HiWatt Dr103 clone (when it's done!) through the Hotplate, into a line in, and slap a top notch cab impulse on the channel in Logic (the Trackmix Orange 4x12 impulses for example) and bingo! Silent recording of high-end cranked tube amp.

Will it be exactly the same as a mic'd recording? Doubt it. Will it beat the pants off an amp-sim? I'm pretty confident it will...

Rockshamrover

fitz wrote: »

I've a plan for this.
I'll be getting myself a THD Hotplate, which I'll be using for live work to get tone without excessive stage volume.

It also has a 'Load' setting which effectively turns off the speakers, but doesn't effect the Line Out of the Hotplate.

So, essentially, I can run my AC30 or custom built HiWatt Dr103 clone (when it's done!) through the Hotplate, into a line in, and slap a top notch cab impulse on the channel in Logic (the Trackmix Orange 4x12 impulses for example) and bingo! Silent recording of high-end cranked tube amp.

Will it be exactly the same as a mic'd recording? Doubt it. Will it beat the pants off an amp-sim? I'm pretty confident it will...

Sounds like a serious plan.

So you get the tone from your amps without having to mic them?

Will you be using space designer in Logic for the impulse or is there another way of doing this?

fitz

There are other convolution plugins, but yeah, I'll be using Space Designer. As I said, I'm not sure it'll be exactly as good as micing, but it'll be damn close, and very convenient.

Rockshamrover

fitz wrote: »

There are other convolution plugins, but yeah, I'll be using Space Designer. As I said, I'm not sure it'll be exactly as good as micing, but it'll be damn close, and very convenient.

Can you post up some sound samples when you get it all sorted?

I have to say, this Overloud thing is amazing. It's light years better better than the Logic inbuilt amps.

I'd love to hear what some other guitarists think of it.

And you too Fitz.:)

PMI

Best one ive tried is the Palmer PDI-03 http://www.palmergear.com/recording_studio.shtml great bit of kit and keeps your tones

Back to post.... I was recording yesterday using a PRS and Sansamp PSA-1 going for a clean to slightly breaking tone as everything else was a bit to OTT AC's ENGL's etc... go I turned to GTR and was very impressed with what I got and I would be the 1st to say dont use that crap its all about valves and tone...

I wouldnt use it as my 1st choice but in this case it dug me out of a hole!

Rockshamrover

PMI wrote: »

Best one ive tried is the Palmer PDI-03 http://www.palmergear.com/recording_studio.shtml great bit of kit and keeps your tones

Back to post.... I was recording yesterday using a PRS and Sansamp PSA-1 going for a clean to slightly breaking tone as everything else was a bit to OTT AC's ENGL's etc... go I turned to GTR and was very impressed with what I got and I would be the 1st to say dont use that crap its all about valves and tone...

I wouldnt use it as my 1st choice but in this case it dug me out of a hole!

I just had a look, very interesting. That looks ideal for Fitz's set up.

PaulBrewer

Seziertisch wrote: »

The quality of your DI input plays a very decisive role in the quality of the results an amp sim is capable of producing.

That's the critical thing to get the most out of any sim ...