Tonka At EINN

Steyr

Hi all,

Have reports of a Tonka ( Tornado ) on the ground today at EINN, dont know if she departed but thats all i have, did anybody hear anything? What Air Force? etc?


Dave.

vulcan57

Apparently, a Luftwaffe Tornado that made an emergency landing yesterday. Cockpit fill with smoke or something.

Steyr

Yup confirmed, one of a pair, will be at EINN for a few days.

vulcan57

Steyr wrote: »

Yup confirmed, one of a pair, will be at EINN for a few days.

If they need to do a quick test flight when they have it fixed, Galway Bay is a great place for that

highlydebased

Luftwaffe serial 45+53, the other one didnt land, it landed at Shannon with an engine shutdown

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Does the Irish Government allow foreign military aircraft into its airspace unannounced?
I know we don't have the capabilities to detect half of them but if the Brits/French etc were found training off our coast lines would anything be done?

Steyr

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Does the Irish Government allow foreign military aircraft into its airspace unannounced?
I know we don't have the capabilities to detect half of them but if the Brits/French etc were found training off our coast lines would anything be done?

Think they have to go through a Govt Dept first. And no they cant come in unannounced, i know there is nothing to stop them but they generally dont do it.

Dont know about you but id have no complaints to some Rafales or F1 Mirages or Harriers going up and down the Coast:)

Steyr

Neon-Circles wrote: »

Luftwaffe serial 45+53, the other one didnt land, it landed at Shannon with an engine shutdown

45+53 seems to be MarineFlieger.

Steyr

Apparently she was MarineFlieger, now GAF CN is: (637/GS201/4253)

vulcan57

Steyr wrote: »

Apparently she was MarineFlieger, now GAF CN is: (637/GS201/4253)

In that case they could have been out over the Atlantic and Shannon was the the nearest when trouble struck.

Tenger

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Does the Irish Government allow foreign military aircraft into its airspace unannounced?

In an emergency I don't think anyone would be asking to see his permission slip!

CaptainSkidmark

it was on yesterday's sun, the tail was all black when it landed.

Davidth88

Tornado's tails are always filthy black... the thrust reverser I think must blow the exhaust gases over the tail fin.

Still love Tornado's

Dohhhhh just read it's Shannon , ignore my earlier post

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Steyr
Dont know about you but id have no complaints to some Rafales or F1 Mirages or Harriers going up and down the Coast

If you throw in the Eurofighter too then id be delighted.

Bramble
In an emergency I don't think anyone would be asking to see his permission slip!

Yeah an emergency is different I was just thinking if foreign air forces (even navy's) use our air space/waters as their own private training grounds.
Unknown to us paddies that is!?
Might cause a bit of offence on the international front.

Tenger

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..........I was just thinking if foreign air forces (even navy's) use our air space/waters as their own private training grounds................

I would think that they would not do so. There are designated military airspace areas in Europe. They would need civilian permission to enter/use commercial airspace. They just follow the ATC restrictions as if they were a normal civilian aircraft. (maybe a different track for speed/height reasons)

And I assume most air forces would prefer to train over their own areas for safety.

I assume the we would allow overflights by RAF/RN aircraft heading out to ships/incidents in the Atlantic. (Unlike DeValera et al)


For example: The Brecon Beacons area in Wales is used for RAF training but at the weekends is availible for commercail traffic. (always invade on a weekend!)

Davidth88

http://aerspace.blogspot.com/2009/05/german-air-force-4553-diverts-to.html

Has a photo of the tornado .... and short story

Steyr

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In that case they could have been out over the Atlantic and Shannon was the the nearest when trouble struck.

Nope what i mean is she used to be a German Navy Jet but is now in service with the German Air Force.

DavidTH88 Good find, well done.

Steyr

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Tornado's tails are always filthy black... the thrust reverser I think must blow the exhaust gases over the tail fin.

Correct, the Exhaust gasses are literally thrown back over the Aircraft by Reverse "Buckets" that clamp together one from the top and one from the bottom, they clamp together directly behind the exhaust rapidly slowing the Tonka Down. The Buckets are located at the top and bottom of the Exhaust and are pulled over the Exhaust.

See Here:http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3008/2355567626_ccc4d3f9d6.jpg?v=0

And Here:http://www.airshow-1.com/elvington%20airshow%20pictures/tornado%20reverse%20thrust%20text.jpg