Another cigarette price increase June 1st

ScouseMouse

For anyone that smokes Marlboro, Marlboro lights, and possibly Marlboro menthol, the manufactures - John Player have just announced another price increase to the trade of 10c on twenty.

Increase is from June 1st, which is this monday.

the groutch

the more price increases the better imo, with the amount of money smokers are costing the HSE

ch750536

As someoneone who quit 2 years ago and found it easy to do so all price increases are a goods thing. Once you stop you see all the lies you tell yourself about smoking.

Mimikyu

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steppen

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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I think his point was that, since the price has increased maybe it would deter people from buying a packet and cause current smokers to cut down their intake , both cases would hopefully see a decrease in the amount that smokers cost the HSE.

GerardKeating

superscouse wrote: »

For anyone that smokes Marlboro, Marlboro lights, and possibly Marlboro menthol, the manufactures - John Player have just announced another price increase to the trade of 10c on twenty.

Increase is from June 1st, which is this monday.

All prices increases are not rip-offs...

rororoyourboat

So a packet of twenty must be almost ten euro now?

John_Mc

the groutch wrote: »

the more price increases the better imo, with the amount of money smokers are costing the HSE

The revenue brought in from tobacco cancels out the cost to the HSE.

Feeling high and mighty on your high horse there? :rolleyes:

nmesisca

John_Mc wrote: »

The revenue brought in from tobacco cancels out the cost to the HSE.

Feeling high and mighty on your high horse there? :rolleyes:

+1 totally agree

Now lets talk about increasing the price on alcohol. Its a scandal that its price hasnt been increased as much as tobacco has. And it IS a bigger problem in this country.

seanybiker

nmesisca wrote: »

+1 totally agree

Now lets talk about increasing the price on alcohol. Its a scandal that its price hasnt been increased as much as tobacco has. And it IS a bigger problem in this country.

Here here.


That would get alot of the people on their high horses to quit the nonsense posts about smokers costing the health service so much even though we are probably the biggest contributors to it.

That_Guy

It doesn't matter how much they increase the prices by. People will still smoke.

200 people might give up but 200 will start. As a smoker myself I still pay these prices. Others will too.

Fran Costello

trying to give up myself.

Now smoke rollies. A box of golden virginian plus 50 skins = 3.49, you can buy 200 filter tips for about a euro. that's a lot of smoking for under a fiver. there's the comfort of having tobacco but you can't just light up when you're bored. it's working for me.

John_Mc

That_Guy wrote: »

It doesn't matter how much they increase the prices by. People will still smoke.

200 people might give up but 200 will start. As a smoker myself I still pay these prices. Others will too.

Yes, existing smokers who are addicted will. But the amount of people starting to smoke will be greatly reduced.

John_Mc

Fran Costello wrote: »

trying to give up myself.

Now smoke rollies. A box of golden virginian plus 50 skins = 3.49, you can buy 200 filter tips for about a euro. that's a lot of smoking for under a fiver. there's the comfort of having tobacco but you can't just light up when you're bored. it's working for me.

If you're trying to quit, look into Champix. I'm off them a month though and feeling great!

Check out the Stop smoking forum on here, there's a great thread on it.

CiaranC

John_Mc wrote: »

Yes, existing smokers who are addicted will. But the amount of people starting to smoke will be greatly reduced.

Have you got any actual evidence of this?

geuro

That_Guy wrote: »

It doesn't matter how much they increase the prices by. People will still smoke.

200 people might give up but 200 will start. As a smoker myself I still pay these prices. Others will too.

no you're wrong there. people will stop. it was one factor in me stopping, second after the fact that i began to feel very uneasy about my smoking. Felt like an idiot buying them to be honest. plus my girlfriend had given up and i felt like my breath must have been disgusting to her. 10 years on 20 a day, 2.5 years off them, going strong, not wasting money on tobacco, easier to stop when you make a solid, definate decision.

by the way, i know lots of smokers will call me 'on my high horse' or whatever. Well, when they give up they will be able to see smoking for what it is. It's impossible to see clearly when youre a smoker. There are always excuses etc, but that's just your addiction skewing your common sense.

jaffa20

Duty free ftw!!

John_Mc

CiaranC wrote: »

Have you got any actual evidence of this?

No, but I know for that fact that if cigarettes were £8 punts when I started then I definitely would not have started.

Price increases may not stop people smoking but they will stop people starting in the first place, imo.

CiaranC

John_Mc wrote: »

No

Didnt think so

John_Mc

CiaranC wrote: »

Didnt think so

Well aren't you so clever with your contributions to this discussion. :rolleyes:

rubadub

John_Mc wrote: »

No, but I know for that fact that if cigarettes were £8 punts when I started then I definitely would not have started.

Price increases may not stop people smoking but they will stop people starting in the first place, imo.

Of course price has a massive influence, and of course there is no time machine or crystal ball to predict what will happen. Common sense says that increasing prices will put people off anything, it will hardly encourage it.

When I started smoking first I think a pack was £1.20 for 10, I remember ecstasy being £15, which is around €20. I remember lads in school buying smokes as a cheap fix, they would get a little high/buzzed from them, E's were taken by very few, sure you could get pissed on half the price. Now the Es are €3 or so, and they are the cheap fix many kids will be taking.

I also agree that I probably would not have started if they were as expensive as now. Back then people freely offered smokes around all the time, scumbags used to ask on the street all the time and would get them, even from young lads who would have had little money, it was no big deal. Now these "smoke beggars" are viewed as extremely cheeky bastards, since they cost so much. I got started taking the odd offered smoke while pissed. If they do get to €10 per pack then in my mind that is 2 smokes or 1 can of beer, when I was in my teens that would be a no brainer. WTF would you pay that for such a crap recreational drug?

seanybiker

When 20 smokes go upto 10-11 Ill stop sharing mine out to people, once they get to 15-16 Ill think about giving up.

parsi

CiaranC wrote: »

Didnt think so

Rather than being a smartass if you had read his comment it would provide personal evidence of his comment. Any empirical evidence provided would actually stem from individual experience so his comment is just as valid as any agglomeration of comments dressed up as "evidence".

RasTa

Hmmm it was €2.20 for a 20 pack of Malboro Lights in Italy, Livingo. It's some difference.

rubadub

RasTa wrote: »

Hmmm it was €2.20 for a 20 pack of Malboro Lights in Italy, Livingo. It's some difference.

When I was about 21 I went to the canaries and was on up to 60 a day since they were so cheap. Usually would be 10-20 a day max. The price certainly made a difference.

RasTa

rubadub wrote: »

When I was about 21 I went to the canaries and was on up to 60 a day since they were so cheap. Usually would be 10-20 a day max. The price certainly made a difference.

I'd say it was the alcohol myself You always smoke more on holiday.

Cabaal

CiaranC wrote: »

Have you got any actual evidence of this?

Does the WHO count?

World Health Organization report on the global tobacco epidemic (2008), which states that increasing tobacco taxes by 10% generally decreases tobacco consumption by 4% in high-income countries while tobacco tax revenues to government increase by nearly 7%.

So yes putting up prices can cause people to quit, even at 4% it is still a reduction and would that is beneficial to our health care system

Mimikyu

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Ordinary man

I bought 200 benson in tesco enniskillen a few weeks ago for £56. If all us smokers bought our cigerettes up north, we would take a lot of tax out of the economy and let the moaning non-smokers have to pay more tax to fill the void.

stevoslice

cigarettes make approx 6,000,000 a day in this country:- here

the tax on tobacco is about 65% at the moment, so thats approx 3.9m a day

there is an estimated 2 million in this country on private health insurance:- here

so if the population is 4.5m, and 1m of these smoke then 2/9ths of the population smoke.

we can assume that approx 2/9ths of the people on health insurance smoke, so approx 450,000 smokers on health insurance.

this leaves the government with 1423m a year from cigarette tax. is it possible for our brilliantly ran government and health service to spend more than this on 550,000 smokers in 1 yr?


ok so this is far from definitive, but it can be seen that smokers contribute far far more to the governments coffers than they take.

PaulieBoy

CiaranC wrote: »

Didnt think so

Ain't you a smug little git!
There is plenty of evidence out there, of course your still firmly in the flat earth society camp, so expect you will dismiss it all.
A quick google search : http://www.google.ie/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=price+increase+and+tobacco+consumption+rates&meta=&btnG=Google+Search

Shelflife

thebhoy wrote: »

cigarettes make approx 6,000,000 a day in this country:- here

the tax on tobacco is about 65% at the moment, so thats approx 3.9m a day

there is an estimated 2 million in this country on private health insurance:- here

so if the population is 4.5m, and 1m of these smoke then 2/9ths of the population smoke.

we can assume that approx 2/9ths of the people on health insurance smoke, so approx 450,000 smokers on health insurance.

this leaves the government with 1423m a year from cigarette tax. is it possible for our brilliantly ran government and health service to spend more than this on 550,000 smokers in 1 yr?


ok so this is far from definitive, but it can be seen that smokers contribute far far more to the governments coffers than they take.

Not quiet. the cost of treating cancer patients is huge, the drugs alone are very expensive and the cost of care to these people is enormous.
its a given that the medical costs of dealing with the side affects of smoking far outweigh the monies gained.

DublinWriter

the groutch wrote: »

the more price increases the better imo, with the amount of money non smokers are costing the HSE

Fixed it for you.

DublinWriter

Shelflife wrote: »

Not quiet. the cost of treating cancer patients is huge, the drugs alone are very expensive and the cost of care to these people is enormous.
its a given that the medical costs of dealing with the side affects of smoking far outweigh the monies gained.

Wrong, wrong and trice wrong.

First of all, the shocking news is that non-smokers are not immortal and will die from cancer, heart disease and other terminal illnesses.

We smokers tend to pop our clogs earlier, costing the state less in pensions. Go ask any actuary.

The Pontiac

Smokers don't cost the taxpayer a penny. The amount of revenue the government receives from cigarettes far exceeds the health costs.

In fact non-smokers cost society more as they live longer. Smokers usually have a fairly quick death when diagnosed with a smoking related illness.

Shelflife

DublinWriter wrote: »

Wrong, wrong and trice wrong.

First of all, the shocking news is that non-smokers are not immortal and will die from cancer, heart disease and other terminal illnesses.

We smokers tend to pop our clogs earlier, costing the state less in pensions. Go ask any actuary.

So if i am trice wrong , what you are saying is that the cost of treating cancer patients is not huge, the drugs are not expensive and the cost of care to cancer patients isnt enormous??

while you may have a point in relation to the pension costs , its a bit ignorant to come on here and put down others opinions.

Mountjoy Mugger

Ignoring all the self-righteous postings, and back on-topic..

I managed to get 3.5k smokes in Greece just over a week ago for 3 per pack of 20. It should save me a right few quid, at least until October.

Unfortunatley, it seems the only way to do it, unless you want to get the smokes in Moore Street and support your local crims.

P_1

Just a warning for others.

DO NOT BUY CIGARETTES FROM BUS STOP ON GRAFTON STREET.

They attempted to charge me €9.60 for 20 Marlboro Lights this afternoon.

jimi_t

pithater1 wrote: »

Just a warning for others.

DO NOT BUY CIGARETTES FROM BUS STOP ON GRAFTON STREET.

They attempted to charge me €9.60 for 20 Marlboro Lights this afternoon.

They're complete shysters in terms of prices and they charge on credit as well. That said, their rent must be astronomical.