UL New Medicine Building

slemons

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0526/education.html

A major coup for UL.
What are people's opinions on this?

Im sure the established colleges will not like this but it seems UL is streaking ahead with its state of the art syllabus inherited from University of Sydney afaik.

Excellent news for Limerick.
Im sure Chuck Feeney is similing broadly today.
If you build it they will come...

Prime Mover

I would have been more positive about this three or four years ago. A building with capacity for 288 is questionable when the DoH plan seems to be to cut back on NCHD numbers and there will be more medics graduating than intern slots available soon.

I think they should put the money into improving the teaching hospital facilities as that would help patients too.

Glad you like the PBL syllabus, I would rather pull out my toenails than do pre-clinical via PBL. Thats just a personal preference.

slemons

Whats wrong with PBL?
I dont know much about it other than the small bit Ive read...

Thanks
I spose the thing is that grads dont have to do their internship in Ireland, and the better the course they do the more demand they'll be in over seas?

Someday health care in Ireland will be put right

bleg

Prime Mover wrote: »

I would have been more positive about this three or four years ago. A building with capacity for 288 is questionable when the DoH plan seems to be to cut back on NCHD numbers and there will be more medics graduating than intern slots available soon.

yup, just look at pharmacy.

Prime Mover

True you can do it overseas but it costs the state a lot of money to educate doctors so I don't see the point in training more than we need here.

About PBL, I just find it an inefficient use of time and it needs to be well facilitated otherwise the quieter people don't get a word in edge ways.

Vorsprung

slemons wrote: »

I spose the thing is that grads dont have to do their internship in Ireland, and the better the course they do the more demand they'll be in over seas?

Irish graduates are already well regarded overseas, it's not a barrier to doing internship abroad.

sillymoo

slemons wrote: »

I spose the thing is that grads dont have to do their internship in Ireland, and the better the course they do the more demand they'll be in over seas?

:rolleyes:

Being a GEP wont make you any better than the undergrads.

slemons

Who said graduate entry was better than undergrad?

drzhivago

slemons wrote: »

Whats wrong with PBL?
I dont know much about it other than the small bit Ive read...

Thanks
I spose the thing is that grads dont have to do their internship in Ireland, and the better the course they do the more demand they'll be in over seas?

Someday health care in Ireland will be put right

CAnt do an internship overseas as to get full registration here its linked to a medical school sign off

Catch 22

You can alwasy emigrate after that that is if you get an internship, currently 504 intern places, 700 graduates many overseas from RCSI, UCD etc

Moving to 750 irish grads, see the problem

At same time moving to try and reduce junior doc numbers to 2,200 (HANLY REPORT)

doesnt add up

drzhivago

bigjimthefirst wrote: »

Irish graduates are already well regarded overseas, it's not a barrier to doing internship abroad.

sorry Jim but internship linked to registration linked to medical school here

In UK its foundation 2 years

cant do it in some EU countries as they dont have an internship at all, they get these requirements out of the way in final med

US doesnt qualify here as you dont do enough specialties

Australia would be the only option but technically difficult to achieve

Vorsprung

drzhivago wrote: »

sorry Jim but internship linked to registration linked to medical school here

In UK its foundation 2 years

cant do it in some EU countries as they dont have an internship at all, they get these requirements out of the way in final med

US doesnt qualify here as you dont do enough specialties

Australia would be the only option but technically difficult to achieve

Don't the Malaysian students do their internships at home?

EDIT - So if the graduate entry guys can't do internship here as the guy I quoted suggested, what happens to then? Is it another case of non-planning by Irish authorities?

drzhivago

bigjimthefirst wrote: »

Don't the Malaysian students do their internships at home?

EDIT - So if the graduate entry guys can't do internship here as the guy I quoted suggested, what happens to then? Is it another case of non-planning by Irish authorities?

Many malaysian student applying to do it in ireland now because they get paid in real money

Absolutely a case of non planning or policies from different departments not lining up ie
Education and Health