Reactions to Fluke Injections

slippy wicket

I was just wondering if anyone else has had problems due to adverse reactions from fluke and worm injections.

leg wax

was the problem swelling at site of in jection

ravima

to the animal or the humans?

slippy wicket

Sorry, i should have been more specific. This all happened back before christmas.The reactions is that between 24 and 48 hrs after injection, the cow goes down. We had three, one recovered after another 48 hours and went on to calve normally; of the other two their digestive systems shut down over the following weeks. One of them was put down and was sent to the lab, as usual the tests were inconclusive. The other failed over the next weeks and died an emaciated shell.
For obvious reasons, i dont want to mention the companies name or the name of the injection, but it is quite new to the market.

kfk

slippy wicket wrote: »

Sorry, i should have been more specific. This all happened back before christmas.The reactions is that between 24 and 48 hrs after injection, the cow goes down. We had three, one recovered after another 48 hours and went on to calve normally; of the other two their digestive systems shut down over the following weeks. One of them was put down and was sent to the lab, as usual the tests were inconclusive. The other failed over the next weeks and died an emaciated shell.
For obvious reasons, i dont want to mention the companies name or the name of the injection, but it is quite new to the market.

Never heard of anything like that before. Are you certain that it was the injection? Losing one animal like that is bad luck but two is just awful. Did you contact the manufacturer of the injection?

whelan1

that sounds terrible we had aproblem a few years ago - not with an injection - but where my scanning man ruptured 3 cows internally , i lost 2 and 1 turned in to a screw ... my vet diagnosed it initially we thought it was a blockage but one of the cows couldnt wee as adhesions had grown over the perforations and stuck her insides together ... when i thought back there had been others that had been scanned too that had died that we but down to blockages ... we got independent p[ost mortems done and then went to scanning man who wasnt very nice but had to admit liability .... its a pity you couldnt get a postmortem on your animals to try and sort it out

thetangler

For obvious reasons, i dont want to mention the companies name or the name of the injection, but it is quite new to the market.[/quote]

Hi
is this a Fluke only Injection or a combination of fluke & worm.

adne

slippy wicket wrote: »

For obvious reasons, i dont want to mention the companies name or the name of the injection, but it is quite new to the market.

Is there a body that this can be highlighted to before moe people suffer the same losses... This is unaccepable.

What color is the packaging of the product?

adne

Did you sterilise the Needle before injecting the animals?

slippy wicket

This injection is a fluke and worm dose in a yellow/red box. The side effects are mentioned on the leaflet that comes with it, but only in the case of overdose. The company were contacted the day the animals went down, and were prompt in ringing up to get the batch number. They checked their product and were able to produce quality control test results showing it was safe.
One of the cows damaged her pelvis when she went down, and this was used as a pretext to say that if not for this she would have recovered; on this point we will never know.
One of the most irritating things is that even though we wrote them a letter, and our vet sent them on results of the post mortem, the only contact we had from them was a letter that they sent to our vet. Even when we rang them up, the only thing we got back was a copy of the letter they had sent to our vet, they could not even send us a letter addressed to us.
I would have to say that the rep for the company that deals with our vet was decent enough as he gave us some ivermectin pour-on himself[not from the company].

snowman707

I dosed some weanlings (bought in)with the product in question & I noticed about 2 or 3 of lying in obvious discomfort for a day or two, but jumped up when I approached them,

I noticed some dead worms in the dung any how they made a full recovery got a good thrive over the winter.

OP might be no harm to get a solicitor's opinion.

pakalasa

Lippy Wicket,
Very serious - you should persue this to the end. Get legal advice if I were you.

Just a thought - but how did you give the injection. There are 3 ways, in the vein, under the skin & in the muscle. With this type in injection it is usually under the skin. If it happened to go directly into the bloodstream (by accident) - that might be the cause........just a thought !!!

slippy wicket

Thanks for the advice. Our vet had heard of problems with this inj on another herd that he deals with but the animals made a full recovery there.

I have heard that the margin for error using this drug is very tight.
On reflection it could be possible that as the animals move about during injection, and that they would have to get two shots, it could have happened that the shot went into the muscle on the second shot. It would be very unlikely that any could have got into the bloodstream as the needles used were extremely short.

At this stage, the thoughts of going legal would not really be on. As the autopsy and test results were inconclusive, it would be very hard to prove any liability.

ravima

I'd suggest that you contact your local IFA man and write to Farmers JOurnal, naming the product. they may highlight the matter and if the stuff kills like you say, then all farmers should be warned off it.

whelan1

i was asking the sales rep that we normally use about this and he said 1 of his farmers lost 2 bullocks after this injection apparently theres a 1 in a million chance of death