Would you want Michael Vick to sign for your team?

Hazys

Pros: A player with a fella of a lot of talent, maybe not a pocket passer but could be the ultimate wildcat QB and would come at the veteran minimum, hopefully humbled by the last 2 years and just wants to play.

Cons: Will be a major distraction, an ex-con, spent the last two years in Jail (which is good and bad in terms of physicality).



I'm weirdly undecided if I'd like to see Vick in a Patriot uniform, I dont know why because last year I would have disowned the team if they signed Pacman, but with Vick even tho what he did was a disgrace I feel justice has been served...

Chucky the tree

I'd prefer wake up one morning finding out I have knob rot rather then learning that the Raiders have signed Vick.

eagle eye

I think its a bit unfair to ask that question as far as a Patriot fan is concerned as we have Tom Brady so the clear answer is no.

However for sides that need a quarterback its a totally different thing. The guy has done his time, it remains to be seen how he gets on now. I would be willing to give him a chance but not on huge money obviously if I was undecided about my QB position.

Tampa Bay, NY Jets and imo above all others the Vikings should be willing to take a chance on him. None of them have a recognised starter and if they got him on the cheap, its a two way street, they give him a chance if he is good enough and he gets the chance to prove his problems are behind him and maybe pick up a bigger contract in 2010.

Chucky the tree

Jets have Sanchez and bucs have Freeman. They wont touch Vick with a barge poll.

tallaghtoutlaws

Pros: He is fast and offers alot to the Wildcat formation.

Cons: You would need a very agile O-Line to benefit from Vick and his arm is average. If you don't run the Wildcat you would have to implement a new system to fit Vicks Athletism rather than his throwing ability.

Maybe a decent backup to run the Wildcat offense. But no more than that.

As a Pats fan I would quicker put another rookie in there if Brady wasnt an option.

kev_s88

i would love to see Vick as the new backup QB for the Jaguars.....not only does it mean we get to get rid of Cleo Lemon....it also means we get a completely new OL to work with a completely new offense with Mike Vick working as the backup QB and the Jags working MJD more in a Wildcat offense style....with MJD being one of the best catchers and one of the most brutal RB's ive seen in a long while...it might just be a marriage made in heaven for the Jags....:D

jdivision

If I thought he offered something then why not, think the pros mentioned above are exceptionally generous, TBH I could only imagine using him on draw and screen plays. Even on wildcat teams would play him like the Ravens did the wildcat this year. He was always hugely overrated and few teams will have real interest. The suggestion has been made on si.com I think that bills are best fit and I'd agree with that. no distractions cos it's a hole and desperate for attention so room for something a bit different, hence TO

Karlusss

eagle eye wrote: »

Tampa Bay, NY Jets and imo above all others the Vikings should be willing to take a chance on him. None of them have a recognised starter and if they got him on the cheap, its a two way street, they give him a chance if he is good enough and he gets the chance to prove his problems are behind him and maybe pick up a bigger contract in 2010.

The Jets have just invested in a first round quarterback and the last thing they want is to take ANOTHER chance at QB I would say. If they could get a vet backup, fine, but they don't want Vick surely.

Tampa Bay have 5 quarterbacks at the moment... I suppose that doesn't rule out Vick, but would they put Morris up against Vick-publicity in his first year?

Vikings - the thing standing between the Vikings and a Super Bowl is a consistent pocket passer. They've already got the run game, they just need to be able to throw when they're behind. Doubt they'd take Vick.


Contrary to what people are saying I think he'd fit much better in a team with an established quarterback because a) if Vick comes in and plays well in New York, for example, what does that do to Sanchez and his cap money? b) he needs to prove himself all over again and c) he needs to be on a solid team that can handle the impact of the first few weeks of his arrival.

He's gonna be a situational guy at first when he goes back, depending on how the Wildcat works in its second year.

Steelers, Patriots, Saints...

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Jets have Sanchez and Freeman. They wont touch Vick with a barge poll.

You mean Clemens and Sanchez, two untested players. My reason for saying that they could take a chance on Vick is exactly that, thats if they got him cheap of course. I think for teams with questions at QB it would be a wise decision and I stress if you get him cheaply.

There is no down side imo for those teams.

eagle eye

Karlusss wrote: »

Vikings - the thing standing between the Vikings and a Super Bowl is a consistent pocket passer. They've already got the run game, they just need to be able to throw when they're behind. Doubt they'd take Vick.

What they need is to consistently get the best out of AP and just think about the damage they could do with Vick. I think it could be an incredible alliance.

Sea Devils

Pros: Could possibly be an upgrade over Hill and Smith
As others have mentioned would fit decent in a Wildcat Offense especially with a Run First Offense that Raye has talked about for next season.

Cons: Never been a great pocket passer, has a mediocre playoff record (2005 the exception), threw away a once in a liftetime opportunity even when earning the money he was and playing in a prestigious position, The bagage he would bring to San Francisco arguably one of the biggest dog loving cities in the States would be unheralded.

So in short no:)

Chanandler Bong

The Bills gonna need to sign one of these high-profile players a year to keep asses in seats in Buffalo, Vick throwing deep balls to T.O and Michael Irvin or something next year!

DaXiS

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Cons: his arm is average

Huh? He had a notoriously strong arm. Endless youtube clips of him throwing 50-65 yards with ease

Chanandler Bong

looks okay there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4FH6Zeudo&feature=related

tallaghtoutlaws

DaXiS wrote: »

Huh? He had a notoriously strong arm. Endless youtube clips of him throwing 50-65 yards with ease

This was debated immensly before. His arm is average compared to alot of QBs. When you move out of the pocket as Vick does you lose alot of accuracy. His arm is average as he lacks accuracy and sure show me a video of him in a dome with loads of room to stand there and adjust to throwing. Take the top tier QBs they can throw deep under pressure with accuracy. Even Brett Favre in his old age.But ask Vick to do that he cant. Ask any of his WR that played with him. Throwing 50 60 yards should be easy for any NFL quality QB. Its all about accuracy and putting the ball on the money 90% of the time.

raven136

He surely offers a lot to teams who want the option of running the wildcat?Nice player to have to be able to bring on as a backup.

I know the guy f##ked up big time but i think the reaction to him has been ott.

The stuff other NFL players have done is a lot worse.

Neil3030

I am struggling to see a scenario where Vick won't be involved in the NFL next season with some organisation, but it will be both contingent on a number of things happening and even at that he remains a significant risk to whatever franchise he joins. Fans could revolt, brand image of teams could plummet, season-tickets cancelled in protest - you just never know.

The most likely scenario I see is him being drafted in pretty late in the day after an injury has forced a team's hand. It's pretty obvious that his contract with Atlanta (through to 2013) needs to be shredded too if he's any hope of playing. Nobody's going to take on that overhead for him.

Keep in mind too, he's pushing 30 now, and for a player who's game was so reliant on pace, he probably only has a handful of years left at the top and that's if he gets back to shape at all.

Karlusss

I think media coverage at this point is directed towards rehabbing his image a lot. How well that works will have a lot to do with how well his comeback works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKDEAx9Z3Q4&feature=related

2.07 where the two defenders knock heads is pretty good though.

Neil3030

Yeah I can see the NFL Network in particular getting on his side during his rehab. NFL are a business at the end of the day and stored away in the cupboards somewhere they'll have a dusty book of stats on just how much a healthy regular playing Vick is worth to the league financially.

readytorock

the guy is a class act thers no doubt, when he came straight out of college people wer basically drooling all over him and now everyones jumping the bandwagon to ditch him. he aint no OJ anyway

Karlusss

readytorock wrote: »

the guy is a class act thers no doubt

I think there's actually quite a lot of doubt.

Sea Devils

readytorock wrote: »

the guy is a class act,

You obviously are joking right?

Hazys

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

looks okay there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4FH6Zeudo&feature=related

Even better here: :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ADSssT20I

LuckyLloyd

As a Jets fan, I don't want him. We have stuck the long term loot on Sanchez, so that's where our focus should be. On getting him ready to be the starting QB, and shifting our offensive game plan towards running the ball first, second and third when possible. BUT, if we hadn't done what we did on draft day, I would have been delighted to have a punt on him - things were looking thin on the ground with Clemons and Ratliff.

As for other franchises, you can automatically rule out a number of them as fits for glaring reasons that vary in each specific situation: The fanbase in Green Bay would scream blue murder; the likes of the Patriots, Colts and Steelers definitely don't need a QB; while Detroit, Jets and Tampa have long term prospects for the position that would be best without exposure to Vick.

But then again, you have franchises like the 49ers or Texans who could use help at that position and don't have any obvious deal breaker in terms of franchise / fanbase culture or location. Or you have the likes of the Raiders who might as well take the gamble - because they have nothing to lose in any possible respect.

We could debate Vick's perceived value and supposed strengths and weaknesses till the cows come home. He has been overrated and underrated in equal measure. At the end of the day, he was above league average at the most important position - and directly responsible for a decent amount of wins in a league where winning is all that really matters. He will probably be starving hungry to prove himself on the pitch, and free of much of the entourage and circus that used to surround him off it (because he's now broke). For sure, I would be concerned at how he will have held up physically (and how much pace remains), but I would be shocked if the very best he can be at this stage isn't what he brings to whatever franchise takes him aboard.

Strangely, a small part of me will be rooting for him just a little bit.

Sea Devils

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

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But then again, you have franchises like the 49ers help at that position .

I'd actually like Vick as a compliment to Gore in the Wildcat offense (without throwing the ball) but at the moment I don't see any scenario where he ends up here especially since a team spokesman has ruled it out

Karlusss

I saw things saying Singletary wasn't ruling it out.

Plus Singletary is a psycho who builds hills in his training facility because he things running up hills is what gives players long careers.

And one who pursued Kurt Warner for essentially no reason despite a commitment to run-first football.

And it's not like they couldn't do with an upgrade. So I wouldn't rule it out.

DaXiS

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

This was debated immensly before. His arm is average compared to alot of QBs. When you move out of the pocket as Vick does you lose alot of accuracy. His arm is average as he lacks accuracy and sure show me a video of him in a dome with loads of room to stand there and adjust to throwing. Take the top tier QBs they can throw deep under pressure with accuracy. Even Brett Favre in his old age.But ask Vick to do that he cant. Ask any of his WR that played with him. Throwing 50 60 yards should be easy for any NFL quality QB. Its all about accuracy and putting the ball on the money 90% of the time.

I don't know about most people, but when I hear arm I think arm strength only, and not accuracy. Point taken though and I agree, His arm is strong enough but his production of course is unrelated to that.

It's not the same Atlanta team that Matt Ryan has now though,its much better now and it was the only system he was in. That teams receiving corps in 08 season looked horrible at times with dropped passes and really Roddy White saved it.

tallaghtoutlaws

DaXiS wrote: »

I don't know about most people, but when I hear arm I think arm strength only, and not accuracy. Point taken though and I agree, His arm is strong enough but his production of course is unrelated to that.

It's not the same Atlanta team that Matt Ryan has now though,its much better now and it was the only system he was in. That teams receiving corps in 08 season looked horrible at times with dropped passes and really Roddy White saved it.

I know guys in the US who throw with alot of power but never made QBs as the lacked accuracy and vision. All well and good having power but if you aint hitting the ball on the money or at least close to it your power will do nothing for you.

Your WR corp are only as good as your QB. The problem for Atlanta pre Ryan the system suited Vicks style of play more so than the standard Run/Pass. Unfortunately this didnt bode well for WR's as when Vick struggled to find anyone open or just didnt look he tucked and ran. I watched Matt Schaub put up 298 and 3 TDs against the Patriots in Atlanta in 2005 when Vick was injured and that day there was nothing wrong with the Atlanta WR Corp. Roddy White had a bad day but also had injuries and didnt last too long as Samuel was his marker.

And I agree it isnt the same team Ryan has but he still has White and Finneran and Jenkins. Jenkins has put his best career numbers last year under Ryan, as did White, Finneran has aged alot and isnt the same guy and has struggled with injury so i suppose we can count him out. But you see what im getting at. Dont get me wrong Vick worked for the old Falcons system but the problem is his style of play needs a whole new setup.

The question to be asked will any team setup a new system to gain his full potential or try incorporate him into an existing system and adding a wildcat style playbook.

Sea Devils

Karlusss wrote: »

I saw things saying Singletary wasn't ruling it out.

Plus Singletary is a psycho who builds hills in his training facility because he things running up hills is what gives players long careers.

And one who pursued Kurt Warner for essentially no reason despite a commitment to run-first football.

And it's not like they couldn't do with an upgrade. So I wouldn't rule it out.

Yeah running up hills is the exact same practice drill that gave Singletary and Payton Hall of fame careers.;)

Besides the whole Warner saga was just to drive up the cost of retaining Warner in Arizona. And it worked. I really didn't think they'd give him $19m guaranteed and it further stunts Leinart's growth .

Hill actually played very well in a system that didn't suit his talents at all so I wouldn't say Vick is a definite upgrade just a possible one.

Karlusss

Yeah I need to stop ragging on Singletary, sorry. It's angry little man syndrome for supporting the team with the 2nd overall pick the last two years.

Still think the Rams will end up with more wins though, somehow.


I've actually been thinking that if Bulger goes down in the first couple of weeks of the season and Vick is still out there - it'd be tough not to look into it. Spagnuolo came out recently saying that his attitude to histories of misbehaviour is not zero tolerance, but case-by-case, which is the kind of thing a zero tolerance coach says when he realises he has a chance of signing a very good player.

We've no young quarterback waiting to inherit the job, and Kyle Boller's future is as a backup. It'd also solve the problem of having no receivers if our quarterback didn't bother to do his reads before tucking and running.

Rented Mule

Vick has the smell of Al Davis all over him.

Oakland Raiders bound.

silverwater

I wouldn't like to have him in my team.
Sure, he is a great player. He has (/had) a great quickness about him.
He did fumble an awful lot though, and his accuracy and strength did leave a lot to be desired. I don't see how any team with an established QB would take him in. Maybe one lacking in QB options might, but I think it's too big a risk.

Also, if this poll is anything to go by, around 50% of people wouldn't be happy with him being signed.
Imagine you're a coach and that's 50% of your paying fans...
Bad news...

JJ

I can't see the Giants taking on Vick even if Eli and every backup they have was injured. After Plaxico, the Giants don't need any bad press like this and in New York, bad press is about 10 times worse there than almost anywhere else.

Sea Devils

Karlusss wrote: »

Still think the Rams will end up with more wins though, somehow.


I've actually been thinking that if Bulger goes down in the first couple of weeks of the season and Vick is still out there - it'd be tough not to look into it. .

I was actually reading an article this morning on PFT that said he has a shot at signing with you guys. Coming at a time where the Rams have been linked with a move to LA it's interesting times ahead in the "Gateway city!"

Karlusss

To be honest, I think getting the team to LA could be a good idea. STL is a small market and both population-wise and money-wise it's definitely a secondary market for an NFL team when places like LA don't have one. The fact that there aren't St. Louis buyers showing up in any numbers goes to show that the recession is hitting it like other Midwest towns and, if LA puts up money and a stadium, it'd probably be in the best interests of the team to go.

As for Vick... well, if he wants somewhere quiet to go and a set up which will probably favour him... *sigh*... why not.

Then again, Vince could be on the market too. Wouldn't say no there either.

de5p0i1er

As a Patroits fan I don't want him signing for us but I'd like to see someone give him a chance as hes served his time and earned the right to move on with his life.

raven136

interesting to note the vitrol directed at Vick and the longish jail sentence comarped to Donte Stallworth.
30 days compared to 2 and half years.Not saying either sentence is right or wrong but the fact that Vick was far more famous just leaves an odd feeling about this and 30 days is laughable.

Max Power1

raven136 wrote: »

interesting to note the vitrol directed at Vick and the longish jail sentence comarped to Donte Stallworth.
30 days compared to 2 and half years.Not saying either sentence is right or wrong but the fact that Vick was far more famous just leaves an odd feeling about this and 30 days is laughable.

My Sentiments Exactly.

I mean Stallworth actually killed someone FFS.

tallaghtoutlaws

Max Power1 wrote: »

My Sentiments Exactly.

I mean Stallworth actually killed someone FFS.

By Accident thats the difference. The guy walked out in front of Stallworths car in a spot a pedestrian shouldnt have walked. Reports claim it would not have mattered if Stallworth had been drinking or not as the guy stepped out late.

Let me ask you this if you hit a pedestrian and killed him would you expect to go to jail for two years as your first offense and it was accidental?

What helped Stallworth:

- He stayed at the scene
- He accepted fault
- He paid off the victims family
- He coorperated with the police.
- It was his first offense

All of the above would have helped his plea deal.

Vick on the other hand:

- refused to cooperate
- ran an illegal operation knowing full well he was doing it
- pleaded not guilty then changed his plead
- Had evidence stacked against him

2 different type of offenses with different backgrounds.

Whether right or wrong there are ways around going to jail for a long time. I doubt fame had anything to do with it. In fact many say both got easier sentences due to their fame.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

By Accident thats the difference. The guy walked out in front of Stallworths car in a spot a pedestrian shouldnt have walked. Reports claim it would not have mattered if Stallworth had been drinking or not as the guy stepped out late.

Let me ask you this if you hit a pedestrian and killed him would you expect to go to jail for two years as your first offense and it was accidental?

What helped Stallworth:

- He stayed at the scene
- He accepted fault
- He paid off the victims family
- He coorperated with the police.
- It was his first offense

All of the above would have helped his plea deal.

Vick on the other hand:

- refused to cooperate
- ran an illegal operation knowing full well he was doing it
- pleaded not guilty then changed his plead
- Had evidence stacked against him

2 different type of offenses with different backgrounds.

Donte Stallworth broke the law by stepping in a car after drinking alcohol and also smoking marijuana. There would have been no accident if he didn't get in his car. What happened at the scene is pretty irrelevant as he should not have been there in the first place unless in the passenger seat.

What Michael Vick did was all wrong too, but he didn't kill anybody through his actions. I don't like the way you have worded to make it look like 'poor Donte, we should feel sorry for him' and then 'Evil Michael Vick, we should show no mercy'.

Imo both done wrong and yes Donte Stallworth should be behind bars. The sooner there is a complete no tolerance policy towards dui the sooner it will stop happening. Donte Stallworth is a big name in the NFL having been part of our 16-0 regular season, what sort of a message is being sent out to kids with him not getting jail time for this. You can be certain that if it was you or I we would be doing time.

Now Michael Vick has done his time and thats the end of it. He has also committed himself to working against dog fighting. In Donte's case if he had to do time, for me it ends there too as long as he is willing to come out work to show he genuinely remorseful for his actions.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

Donte Stallworth broke the law by stepping in a car after drinking alcohol and also smoking marijuana. There would have been no accident if he didn't get in his car. What happened at the scene is pretty irrelevant as he should not have been there in the first place unless in the passenger seat.

What Michael Vick did was all wrong too, but he didn't kill anybody through his actions. I don't like the way you have worded to make it look like 'poor Donte, we should feel sorry for him' and then 'Evil Michael Vick, we should show no mercy'.

Imo both done wrong and yes Donte Stallworth should be behind bars. The sooner there is a complete no tolerance policy towards dui the sooner it will stop happening. Donte Stallworth is a big name in the NFL having been part of our 16-0 regular season, what sort of a message is being sent out to kids with him not getting jail time for this. You can be certain that if it was you or I we would be doing time.

Taken out of context I never worded anything to say poor Dante. But the sad truth accidental deaths are easier to argue even with the DUI. DUI in America are a ****ing joke to begin with. The fact of the matter is by law he worked the angles and got a better deal. Do I think its right no I dont. But US like Irish law has loopholes and can be exploited by good lawyers and how you present yourself and Dante did it correctly.

Dont for one second think im condoning his actions. I have lost 2 friends to drink driving. One behind the wheel and one mown down by a drink driver protected by his families name and the loopholes in the law.

eagle eye wrote: »

Donte Stallworth broke the law by stepping in a car after drinking alcohol and also smoking marijuana. There would have been no accident if he didn't get in his car. What happened at the scene is pretty irrelevant as he should not have been there in the first place unless in the passenger seat.

And unfortunately in the real world none of this matters. It depends on the the judge and how good the prosecution can argue this case. What happens at the scene is always taken into consideration. He was done for DUI Manslaughter so the DUI takes in to case his drinking and smoking and the manslaughter the death of a man. Talking to my best friends sister who is a lawyer she siad his legal team must have worked every angle to get that 15 years down to 30 days in his plea bargaining.

Karlusss

The temptation with NFL players and other big names is for people to call for them to be examples because they're so high profile. DUI doesn't seem to be such a shocking, societally frowned-upon thing in the US yet, compared to what it has quite quickly and broadly become in Ireland.

Yeah it'd be good to be zero tolerance on it, and change the fabric of American society a little, but realistically, Stallworth deserves the same chance as everyone else to plead his case. And, despite popular opinion nowadays, the court decides justice, not the blog commentators and forum posters and talking heads.

Not exactly the first NFL player to be indicted for a DUI, either:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/turd-watch/police-blotter/

Superhands

a big no for me

dog fighting - absolutely disgusting, could never cheer him on