F1 Driver may make WRC debut

hi_sir

Robert Kubica has bought Jan Kopecky's Fabia WRC car and is rumoured to be considering entering a round of this year's WRC championship possiably rally poland,looks like another F1 star is going to taste Real motorsport and that pansy craic there at

Biro

hi_sir wrote: »

Robert Kubica has bought Jan Kopecky's Fabia WRC car and is rumoured to be considering entering a round of this year's WRC championship possiably rally poland,looks like another F1 star is going to taste Real motorsport and that pansy craic there at

Nothing pansy about a 200mph sport with a 1,400 bhp per tonne machine!

smooch71

hi_sir wrote: »

Robert Kubica has bought Jan Kopecky's Fabia WRC car and is rumoured to be considering entering a round of this year's WRC championship possiably rally poland,looks like another F1 star is going to taste Real motorsport and that pansy craic there at

Yawn....

hi_sir

joke sir hi
but no trees, mountains and the like to or no nice run off areas

hi_sir

smooch71 wrote: »

Yawn....

whats your prob with that

smooch71

hi_sir wrote: »

joke sir hi
but no trees, mountains and the like to or no nice run off areas

Or passenger telling them which way to turn next

hi_sir

you were never n a rally car so or a race car by the sounds just an armchair driver yea

vectra

hi_sir wrote: »

joke sir hi
but no trees, mountains and the like to or no nice run off areas

And you forgot about " No wipers at 200MPH in the rain" when inches from the car in front Lap after lap..
Show me a rally driver capable of that :rolleyes:

liam7831

Ya i agree, formula one is boring and is all about the car, the driver with the best car usually wins the championship. Just learn the track and that its the same thing lap after lap after lap after lap......... oh sorry i dropped off there for a minute.:D

amacachi

Oh great, this should be an enlightening debate. Let's throw NASCAR drivers into the mix, sure anyone can turn right!:rolleyes:

vectra

liam7831 wrote: »

Ya i agree, formula one is boring and is all about the car, the driver with the best car usually wins the championship. Just learn the track and that its the same thing lap after lap after lap after lap......... oh sorry i dropped off there for a minute.:D

Rubbish

liam7831

Its just my opinion bud, rallying is much more unpredictable and a lot more skill is involved to master all the different surfaces they drive on

smooch71

hi_sir wrote: »

you were never n a rally car so or a race car by the sounds just an armchair driver yea

Yawn again I'm afraid.

I've never been in a Formula 1 car, I'll give you that.

Have I driven a single seater racing car?
Yes

Have I driven a rally car?
Yes

I am also a lifelong fan of both sports and have attended multiple grands prix and rounds of the world rally championship so spare me the "armchair driver" crap.

Maybe you were joking, I'm not sure because it looks like you replied to yourself at one stage but what I find irritating is the idea of F1 drivers being described as pansies and rallying being the only REAL form of motorsport.

WRC is awesome, but so is F1.

smooch71

amacachi wrote: »

Oh great, this should be an enlightening debate. Let's throw NASCAR drivers into the mix, sure anyone can turn right!:rolleyes:

Hold on a sec!!

What about Indycars? 230 mph inches away from a concrete wall!!!

But yeah, Nascar kinda sucks.

smooch71

liam7831 wrote: »

Ya i agree, formula one is boring and is all about the car, the driver with the best car usually wins the championship. Just learn the track and that its the same thing lap after lap after lap after lap......... oh sorry i dropped off there for a minute.:D

Unfortunately the same can be currently said of the WRC, Loeb is doing to it what Schumacher did to F1. Not his fault but he's driving (geddit?) the fans, particularly the casual ones away.

It does need a bit of a shake up

enzo7

amacachi wrote: »

Oh great, this should be an enlightening debate. Let's throw NASCAR drivers into the mix, sure anyone can turn right!:rolleyes:

:D:D.

all kubica and kimi are doing is going to hav abit of fun for the wkend, neither of them intend to make a career out of it, that the great thing about rallying you dont hav to be the nxt loeb to enjoy it or you dont hav to be watching loeb to enjoy watching it hence the reason hundreds turn up at events across the country every wkend.

yes formula one is all about the car and not the drivers anymore hence why alonso kimi hamilton are fighting over a points not race wins + championships this season, but it still great to watch the brawn/red bulls driving round in circles every other sunday:D, to compare f1 and rallying they will never be a winner because people love both sport for very diffrent reasons well i do anway:)

vectra

liam7831 wrote: »

Its just my opinion bud, rallying is much more unpredictable and a lot more skill is involved to master all the different surfaces they drive on

Which is probably why Kimi did so well recently in his first ever rally
I suppose he just wanted to demonstrate how easy rallying really is

vincenzolorenzo

Why is it that whenever somone starts talking about either F1 or WRC fans of either sport start getting tetchy and start hurling insults at the other sport. Its so bloody annoying. Can we not just live with and enjoy 2 great sports without turning it into a 'my sport is better than yours' pointless debate?

enzo7

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

Why is it that whenever somone starts talking about either F1 or WRC fans of either sport start getting tetchy and start hurling insults at the other sport. Its so bloody annoying. Can we not just live with and enjoy 2 great sports without turning it into a 'my sport is better than yours' pointless debate?

agree!!

smooch71

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

Why is it that whenever somone starts talking about either F1 or WRC fans of either sport start getting tetchy and start hurling insults at the other sport. Its so bloody annoying. Can we not just live with and enjoy 2 great sports without turning it into a 'my sport is better than yours' pointless debate?

Agree totally.

It's as pointless as the XBOX / PS3 argument.

hi_sir

hi_sir wrote: »

Robert Kubica has bought Jan Kopecky's Fabia WRC car and is rumoured to be considering entering a round of this year's WRC championship possiably rally poland,looks like another F1 star is going to taste Real motorsport and that pansy craic there at

im very sorry but the last line of my post was a tounge cheek comment i tought you'd all see that but you didnt
i have had this arugment many a time i am a rally man true and true form time to time have been in various types of machines from world rally cars to wee class 9 cars BUT at the end of the day they are two great forms of motorsport and to be realistic it is very hard to compare both types they are so diffrent in many ways with a few common things man machine speed and wining
but the point i was trying to make is these f1 guys must have abit of fasination with Rallying and there temped to try it

De Hipster

smooch71 wrote: »

Unfortunately the same can be currently said of the WRC, Loeb is doing to it what Schumacher did to F1. Not his fault but he's driving (geddit?) the fans, particularly the casual ones away.

It does need a bit of a shake up

I would have to say it has been an honour to watch Loeb at every WRC event I have been to, his driving is as close to flawless perfection as I think we're ever likely to see. There's plenty of action further down the field for the casual 'want to see them upside down' fans.

WRC's problem is the current lack of manufacturers & proper head-to-head combat.

vincenzolorenzo

De Hipster wrote: »

I would have to say it has been an honour to watch Loeb at every WRC event I have been to, his driving is as close to flawless perfection as I think we're ever likely to see. There's plenty of action further down the field for the casual 'want to see them upside down' fans.

WRC's problem is the current lack of manufacturers & proper head-to-head combat.

+1. It really was an honour to see loeb driving at rally ireland this year, he's head and shoulders above the rest. But at the same time he has no serious competition and rallying just isn't competitive enough at the moment. One other thing that the wrc is really lacking in is proper TV coverage as well. Eurosport have decent coverage but it never seems to be at a normal time. They'd really want to shake up the way its covered and make it more accessible to the ordinary joe

smooch71

De Hipster wrote: »

I would have to say it has been an honour to watch Loeb at every WRC event I have been to, his driving is as close to flawless perfection as I think we're ever likely to see. There's plenty of action further down the field for the casual 'want to see them upside down' fans.

WRC's problem is the current lack of manufacturers & proper head-to-head combat.

Don't get me wrong, I also feel it's been an honour to witness the kind of dominance and talent that both Loeb and Schumacher produced and to be able to say I've seen both of them in action.

But the reality is that when one individual or team dominates any sport, it becomes uninteresting and predictable for the masses.

Look at Pete Sampras or Stephen Hendry, both examples of sports losing their popularity when the dominant players are at their peak.

I think it's lack of drivers of Loeb's consistant quality that the WRC is suffering from at the moment as much as from lack of manufacturers so it doesn't need to be a purely manufacturer driven sport. There's always room for privateers.

It's only in the last 6 or 7 years that F1 has been swamped with full works teams. From c. 1990 to 2001 there was only 1 works team in it.

And I totally disagree with the generalisation about casual fans only watching motorsport to see crashes. It ain't true.

I'm a casual football fan, I don't just watch to see fouls.

De Hipster

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

+1. It really was an honour to see loeb driving at rally ireland this year, he's head and shoulders above the rest. But at the same time he has no serious competition and rallying just isn't competitive enough at the moment. One other thing that the wrc is really lacking in is proper TV coverage as well. Eurosport have decent coverage but it never seems to be at a normal time. They'd really want to shake up the way its covered and make it more accessible to the ordinary joe

Very true on the tv coverage. It's a difficult one to cover though, live isn't really a viable option unless editing & cutting between shots, cameras & competitors is very well handled, mostly the action's over & the results and incidents are known long before the coverage makes it near a tv.

I liked the Channel 4 coverage with Jon Desborough & crew... way back when we were all children!

De Hipster

smooch71 wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I also feel it's been an honour to witness the kind of dominance and talent that both Loeb and Schumacher produced and to be able to say I've seen both of them in action.

But the reality is that when one individual or team dominates any sport, it becomes uninteresting and predictable for the masses.

Look at Pete Sampras or Stephen Hendry, both examples of sports losing their popularity when the dominant players are at their peak.

I think it's lack of drivers of Loeb's consistant quality that the WRC is suffering from at the moment as much as from lack of manufacturers so it doesn't need to be a purely manufacturer driven sport. There's always room for privateers.

It's only in the last 6 or 7 years that F1 has been swamped with full works teams. From c. 1990 to 2001 there was only 1 works team in it.

And I totally disagree with the generalisation about casual fans only watching motorsport to see crashes. It ain't true.

I'm a casual football fan, I don't just watch to see fouls.

I think rallying suffers less than most sports through the prowess of a dominant individual. The sport is (for me & most fans I know) less about results & more about the action, skill, near misses & overall ability of the competitors.

When I say more manufacturers, I actually mean there is a need for increased competitive teams, the likes of Prodrive & other Privateers but monied enough & consistant enough to be real contenders.

There are plenty of provateers but really only supported by there own fans & have little coverage or appeal for the masses...take Eamonn Boland for example, even a lot of Irish rally fans would have little enough knowledge of his WRC record.

As for the original topic of the thread I am always happy when the sport gets a little more coverage & PR, anyone who can (skill & cash wise) should give it a shot. But...I think F1 & rallying are very different sports & rallying will always come out on top for me, it just way more entertaining, appealing & accessible.

riemann

hi_sir wrote: »

joke sir hi
but no trees, mountains and the like to or no nice run off areas

Maybe you should start this argment sometime other than the monaco GP weekend.

Also rally should regain some of its credibility when someone figures out how to beat Loeb.

Sabre0001

amacachi wrote: »

Oh great, this should be an enlightening debate. Let's throw NASCAR drivers into the mix, sure anyone can turn right!:rolleyes:

Don't they turn left?

enzo7

i think the biggest diffrence between f1 and rallying now is the rallying still has a superstar!!, loeb maybe on his way to his 6th title but i could still watch the guy all day long!! as i could hav watched schumacher. i feel honoured to hav seen them both compete, rallying is edgeing it for me now because of loeb and also because of the way thing are in f1 at the moment ive mentioned in other threads my biggest issue with f1 is the fact the most talented drivers are fighting each other for a few points instead of the drivers title. that would never happen in rallying.
ive always been a bigger f1 fan but this season its def rallying for me.

smooch71

Sabre0001 wrote: »

Don't they turn left?

There's 36 races in the season

2 road courses, the rest are various different types of oval tracks