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DNA and Forensic Science

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  • 21-05-2009 11:55am
    #1
    paulysoprano
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭


    Hi, just wondering has any of yas done this course, is it hard, do you know if there are good career prospects, it sounds very interesting, i'm a mature student i went back and sat leaving cert maths last yr got a D2, Iwas thinking on doing mechnical Eng but i think the maths would be too hard for us.

    Cheers


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    Photojoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭Photojoe


    Career prospects in that exact area are aprrox. zero.

    These sorts of courses are cynically marketed to impressionable sorts who look to the tv for career inspiration.


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    Photojoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭Photojoe


    sugarman wrote: »
    Eh i dont think so. I've a friend who done a similar Degree course in DIT a couple of years ago and now she works close to the state pathologist.

    I would agree though that some people out there are choosing such courses due to tv inspiration but whats wrong with that if you've an interest? Zero.
    Just don't expect a job out of it. The ratio of jobs to students in these sorts of courses would be near 1:100. Take my advice, do a proper degree in a proper university. For better or worse thats hte best way to get on in life.


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    DancingDaisy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭DancingDaisy


    I resent the implication that Tallaght IT is not a 'proper university'. It may not have the same level of prominence as Universities such as Trinity or UCD, and may not have university standing, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. You do not have to attend a university to 'get on in life'. I am about to finish my degree in ITT and I have better job prospects than my boyfriend who is entering his final year in Trinity.

    In terms of a proper degree, most degrees that are undertaken in Universities are Arts degrees and a large number of people would not consider them 'proper degrees'.

    To the OP I would suggest contacting the course coordinator to speak about the DNA and Forensics course. The lecturers in the college tend to be very helpful regards things like that. If the DNA course covers a range of science subjects, it does open the opportunity to take a H-dip in education after the degree and move into teaching.


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    Teferi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Don't feed the Troll Daisy :) It's well known that students from IT's doing, say Computer Science are far more likely to find jobs than there university counterparts. It's something to do with the uni's teaching mainly theory and the student needing to be trained all over again.


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    omb0wyn5ehpij9
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    Photojoe wrote: »
    Just don't expect a job out of it. The ratio of jobs to students in these sorts of courses would be near 1:100. Take my advice, do a proper degree in a proper university. For better or worse thats hte best way to get on in life.

    I'm feeling generous today seeing as I just finished my exams, so you will only get one warning for trolling and trying to cause hassle. Any more of it and you are banned



    If there are any posts like this again, please report them so I get an email to check them out, cheers :)


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    DancingDaisy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭DancingDaisy


    Bryn wrote: »
    If there are any posts like this again, please report them so I get an email to check them out, cheers :)

    Sorry, possibly saw it as a serious comment rather than a troll, exam brain and all that. To the OP, if you do decide to join the wondrous world of ITT, today is the best day of the year, the day where exams end!!!!


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    paulysoprano
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    thanks daisy


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    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Pretty sure it was a genuine (if amazingly ignorant) comment rather than a troll. Anyway, the course sounds quite interesting, but being honest my first thought when I saw the title was "Oh God they're cashing in on CSI..."

    Could be very cool but I'd do my research and get some professional opinions before committing.

    Course is here by the way: http://www.it-tallaght.ie/FullTimeCourses/Science/Name,19805,en.html

    Sounds quite interesting if you're a sciency person. Found this quite interesting:
    The biotechnology, pharmaceutical and healthcare industries continue to grow and expand throughout the region and across the country. Expert group reports suggest a continuing shortfall in Biotech graduates numbers throughout the coming years. The Biotechnology & Pharmaceutical industries are particularly strong in Ireland at present and significant further expansions are expected. The Biotech industry is currently a major supplier of new disease therapies.


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    Photojoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭Photojoe


    Zillah wrote: »
    Pretty sure it was a genuine (if amazingly ignorant) comment rather than a troll. Anyway, the course sounds quite interesting, but being honest my first thought when I saw the title was "Oh God they're cashing in on CSI..."

    Could be very cool but I'd do my research and get some professional opinions before committing.

    Course is here by the way: http://www.it-tallaght.ie/FullTimeCourses/Science/Name,19805,en.html

    Sounds quite interesting if you're a sciency person. Found this quite interesting:
    Ps. it is a horrible industry to be in. Being honest you will be very lucky to land a shift job on poor money out in Athlone or some town you don't want to live in being a graduate from that course.

    I'm giving you some real advice here, telling you how the world is and not politely bull****ting you.
    I've worked in academia I know the score. Colleges want CAO applicants so they rebadge their boring science courese (not boring but thats what the world thinks) and give them a sexy slant to attract naive second level students. Its a fairly disgusting practice if you ask me. I'd always say if you are interested in doing science then just start with a general science degree in as good a third level institution that you can attend. Thats the best start you can give to any career.


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    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    I think that last comment makes a lot of sense. Do a well respected science degree and then you have a great base from which to specialise. You could easily do a masters in genetics or forensics or something like that afterwards. Not to mention a whole support structure to advise you and 4 years of experience on which to base your decision.


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    Ericka
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    I've applied to do this course with ITT, also Chemical Sciences with Medicinal Chemistry with DIT with view to going on to Forensic and Environmental Analysis, amongst other colleges. I have an interview coming up with ITT in a couple of weeks, and I'm really looking forward to it. I think it is going to give me a good foundation for the direction I wish to go in.
    Zillah wrote: »
    Anyway, the course sounds quite interesting, but being honest my first thought when I saw the title was "Oh God they're cashing in on CSI..."
    You have no idea how hard it is to shake off this stigma. It's gotten to the point where I hate anyone asking me what I plan to study. I've had a deep-rooted interest in this for years, and to be cast off as a wanna be CSI is very irritating :(


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    Photojoe
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    Ericka wrote: »
    I've applied to do this course with ITT, also Chemical Sciences with Medicinal Chemistry with DIT with view to going on to Forensic and Environmental Analysis, amongst other colleges. I have an interview coming up with ITT in a couple of weeks, and I'm really looking forward to it. I think it is going to give me a good foundation for the direction I wish to go in.


    You have no idea how hard it is to shake off this stigma. It's gotten to the point where I hate anyone asking me what I plan to study. I've had a deep-rooted interest in this for years, and to be cast off as a wanna be CSI is very irritating :(
    Maybe not CSI but you're career choice was obviosly tv directed.

    Its an incredibly obscure profession for a person to just happen upon.

    And seriously. IT Tallaght will do your career serious harm. If you are setting your sights low in life then all well and good. Its no co-incidence that all the best people, the power brokers of the future all come from quality universities. I've suffered setbacks just from the university I attended.


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    Ericka
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Ericka


    Photojoe wrote: »
    Maybe not CSI but you're career choice was obviosly tv directed.

    Its an incredibly obscure profession for a person to just happen upon.

    Have you not already been warned in this thread? Reported.


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    omb0wyn5ehpij9
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    PhotoJoe banned. You had your one and only warning already


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    Photojoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭Photojoe


    Bryn wrote: »
    PhotoJoe banned. You had your one and only warning already

    Ok.


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    Photojoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭Photojoe


    Ericka wrote: »
    Have you not already been warned in this thread? Reported.


    Grow up will you. There is more to life than aspirational tv careers. Most peoole don't find what their chosen career till mid to late 20s. Some even later.


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    Ericka
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Ericka


    Photojoe wrote: »
    Grow up will you. There is more to life than aspirational tv careers. Most peoole don't find what their chosen career till mid to late 20s. Some even later.

    Well Photojoe. I've gone down the whole road of being IN the wrong career before I got to what I've decided I want to do. By the way, I am 30 and applying as a mature this year. Next you will be trying to tell me I don't know what I want till I'm 50. Who the hell gives you the right, to dictate what people do and do not want. Now rather than spending your evening trying to wind people up, why don't you consider why you are doing it? It's pretty sad from my angle. I reported your post as it was judgemental and small minded, and would infuriate anyone looking to take this course.

    I don't watch CSI or any of these fictional TV programmes, as I take my future career seriously. To watch anything like that now would be a joke to me. But why should I justify myself to you? There is a percentage of people who are able to stomach this kind of work, and whats more is, somebody has to do it. I suppose they were all duped by the offerings of sun-glasses, fit co-workers and the odd corpse?

    Now, be off with you and your pre-conceived notions and grow-up yourself.


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    Photojoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭Photojoe


    Ericka wrote: »
    Well Photojoe. I've gone down the whole road of being IN the wrong career before I got to what I've decided I want to do. By the way, I am 30 and applying as a mature this year. Next you will be trying to tell me I don't know what I want till I'm 50. Who the hell gives you the right, to dictate what people do and do not want. Now rather than spending your evening trying to wind people up, why don't you consider why you are doing it? It's pretty sad from my angle. I reported your post as it was judgemental and small minded, and would infuriate anyone looking to take this course.

    I don't watch CSI or any of these fictional TV programmes, as I take my future career seriously. To watch anything like that now would be a joke to me. But why should I justify myself to you? There is a percentage of people who are able to stomach this kind of work, and whats more is, somebody has to do it. I suppose they were all duped by the offerings of sun-glasses, fit co-workers and the odd corpse?

    Now, be off with you and your pre-conceived notions and grow-up yourself.
    Take it on the chin sugartits. Not everyone in life is going to agree with you.

    Here is another helping of reality. Well really just my opinion.

    If you are 30 and just starting out in a course to become a forensic analyst then forget it. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The boat has sailed. The boat can only fit 1-2 people a year and they are all much younger and smarter than you. Life is tough and you just have to know your limits.


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    Ericka
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Ericka


    Photojoe wrote: »
    Take it on the chin sugartits. Not everyone in life is going to agree with you.
    It would be a pretty dull life if they did. But I like a nice debate, that said, I've never had a thing for trolls.
    Here is another helping of reality. Well really just my opinion.
    Which amounts to little really.
    If you are 30 and just starting out in a course to become a forensic analyst then forget it. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The boat has sailed.
    Based on what?
    The boat can only fit 1-2 people a year and they are all much younger and smarter than you. Life is tough and you just have to know your limits.
    Based on what?


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    hullaballoo
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    Photojoe wrote: »
    Take it on the chin sugartits. Not everyone in life is going to agree with you.

    Here is another helping of reality. Well really just my opinion.

    If you are 30 and just starting out in a course to become a forensic analyst then forget it. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The boat has sailed. The boat can only fit 1-2 people a year and they are all much younger and smarter than you. Life is tough and you just have to know your limits.
    Cat-ban from Education.


    Kthxbai.


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    omb0wyn5ehpij9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,095 ✭✭✭✭omb0wyn5ehpij9


    Come on peoples, don't be feeding the troll!


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    Teferi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Teferi wrote: »
    Don't feed the Troll
    Bryn wrote: »
    Come on peoples, don't be feeding the troll!

    Yo, what's...like...an anti-infraction. I want one.


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    Ericka
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Ericka


    paulysoprano wrote: »
    Hi, just wondering has any of yas done this course, is it hard, do you know if there are good career prospects, it sounds very interesting, i'm a mature student i went back and sat leaving cert maths last yr got a D2, Iwas thinking on doing mechnical Eng but i think the maths would be too hard for us.

    Cheers
    .


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