When will Ireland be mature enough to replace Vatican as principal

goldenbrown

Currently the main authority in charge of our primary schools is the Church headquartered in Italy's largest city.

The state pays salaries but 92% of primary schools are the private property of the Catholic Church.

We asked that we might govern ourselves as a nation in 1921. When should we be ready to fully run our own schools 2011? 2021? 2059?

Irish Halo

principle=Principal or Landlord?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

goldenbrown wrote: »

Currently the main authority in charge of our primary schools is the Church headquartered in Italy's largest city.

The state pays salaries but 92% of primary schools are the private property of the Catholic Church.

We asked that we might govern ourselves as a nation in 1921. When should we be ready to fully run our own schools 2011? 2021? 2059?

Cathecism studies are nowhere near as prevalent as they were in past decades (if at all), in fairness and non-Catholic paretns are perfectly entitled to withdraw their kids from religious education - what's the problem? There are far more fundamental problems with Ireland's education system.

Rabies

How is this a sex abuse report?

Rabies

Is this about the Irish education system and the influence the church has on it or something to do with the sexual abuse allegations that have dogged the church for the past while?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Rabies wrote: »

Is this about the Irish education system and the influence the church has on it or something to do with the sexual abuse allegations that have dogged the church for the past while?

No, it's just a sexed-up title to get attention. Beyond that, I refer the honourable gentlemen to the answer I gave some moments ago.

My name is URL

"Only the educated are free"
Epictetus

lol

DrumSteve

Rabies wrote: »

How is this a sex abuse report?

what the hell has the vatican gotta do with it...?

who's been abused?

are those my feet?

Fratton Fred

i think what the OP is asking, is when will the government grow a pair and stand up to the Roman Catholic Church.

destroyer

goldenbrown wrote: »

92% of primary schools are the private property of the Catholic Church.

When should we be ready to fully run our own schools 2011? 2021? 2059?

When we can afford them.

Rabies

thread title edited

Childish dig at church removed.

Melange

destroyer wrote: »

When we can afford them.

+1

The cost of buying up all the catholic-owned schools across the country would amount to many, many billions of euro. I'd say the government would have balked at the costs involved even at the height of the boom, let alone now.

Dankoozy

Rabies wrote: »

thread title edited

Childish dig at church removed.

thx. enough childish digs at the church in this place

Overheal

Melange wrote: »

+1

The cost of buying up all the catholic-owned schools across the country would amount to many, many billions of euro. I'd say the government would have balked at the costs involved even at the height of the boom, let alone now.

meanwhile admissions for non-catholics still remains an issue. There was a PI not too long ago about a couple who didnt want to baptise their child and half the people replying in there urged them to do it for no other reason then "they could get into a good school"

BS when your faith determines your opportunity for education.

Uncle Arthur

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

No, it's just a sexed-up title to get attention. Beyond that, I refer the honourable gentlemen to the answer I gave some moments ago.

could you not have said exaggerated or tabloid-esque??, hate that phrase!!:pac:

philologos

When there is a lot of demand for secular education it will eventually come into being gradually, infact it already does exist in some areas. The law says that any parents and teachers who want to take the initiative can start schools or at least that is what I thought. I can imagine in 20 or so years the amount of denominational schools will be far lower than it is now though.

TwoShedsJackson

Jakkass wrote: »

When there is a lot of demand for secular education it will eventually come into being gradually, infact it already does exist in some areas. The law says that any parents and teachers who want to take the initiative can start schools or at least that is what I thought. I can imagine in 20 or so years the amount of denominational schools will be far lower than it is now though.

What he said - non-deonminational educational groups like Educate Together are organising in areas where there is sufficient demand, but someone does need to get off their arse and organise it, which attitude seems conspicuously lacking in the OP.

storinius

Also a study done recently suggested that upwards of 80% of parents wanted their children educated in Catholic schools, even though the number of practising Catholics in the country is obviously far less than that.

Can't remember where I read this, nor if the sample was big enough to matter, but it is certainly food for thought. Anecdotally I know that the majority of people that I know who would not consider themselves particularly religious still want to marry in a church/have a religious funeral/get their kids baptised etc. Like the last poster I don't know if there is a demand for totally secular education, and if there is, where it ranks on people's list of priorities.

Sulmac

Well this poll seems to contradict that claim, and it's pretty recent.

28th June 2008 - Parents want to reduced role for Church in Primary Schools
Saturday, 28 June 2008 00:00

The Irish Primary Principals' Network (IPPN) today publishes the results of an independent survey on parental attitudes towards the place of religion in primary schools.

The survey, commissioned by IPPN, conducted by RedC between June 9th - 11th, demonstrates clearly that 3 out of 4 parents want primary schools to be managed by the State, with equal status and opportunity for all religions.

"There has been a lot of discussion about the place of religion in our primary schools. Much of this comes from those with an established ideological position." said Seán Cottrell, National Director of IPPN. "Every day, in schools throughout the country, it is parents and principals who have to work together to plan and resolve the practical issues that arise out of religious difference, such as enrolment, withdrawal from religion classes and preparation for religious events".

"We believe it is important that IPPN learns independently, what parents actually think and feel about the role of the religious in school management and the extent to which parents want the teaching of religion and the preparation for Sacraments in their primary schools", commented Larry Fleming, President, IPPN.

Cottrell also stated, "IPPN believes that up until now the voice of parents has not been sufficiently heard on this matter. To complement this research IPPN will, tomorrow, publish the results of further major research, this time detailing the views and opinions of Principals on the same topic."

RedC Poll - Summary of Main Findings

* When given the choice the great majority of parents (72%) would prefer to see schools run by the state with equal status and opportunity for all religions.

* Two in five (43%) of all those with children under the age of 15 in Ireland would like to see the two and half hours spent on teaching religion each week retained.

* However this means that over half of all adults in Ireland with children under the age of 15 would like to see some of this time reallocated to other activities.

* The main activity that parents appear to want to see more time spent on is physical activity, with 1 in 4 (26%) stating they would like to see some of the time spent on religion re-allocated to this activity.

* Mothers (32%) and those in younger under 25 year old age groups (45%) are behind the drive for more time spent on physical and health education.

* In contrast with this apparent move away from religious education in schools, over half of all parents (56%) do believe that religious instruction and the preparation for Sacraments should be taught by the class teacher during school hours.

* Those more likely to feel that it should be the responsibility of parents, appear to also come from younger under 25 year age groups, who are likely to also have much younger and fewer children.

Commenting on the results, Mr. Fleming went on to say, "Such a large majority in favour of state run schools with equal status and opportunity for all religions has to be seen as an endorsement of the DES decision to pilot a new model of school patronage in Dublin next year which will see, for the first time, the VEC as patron of two new Community National Schools."

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CiaranC

destroyer wrote: »

When we can afford them.

We already pay for them.

Just do a Hugo Chavez on it I say. And throw all these ****ing papists in jail while we are at it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Uncle Arthur wrote: »

could you not have said exaggerated or tabloid-esque??, hate that phrase!!:pac:

I could, but it was before Rabies took the sex-abuse dig out of the title.