New Car MPG standards in USA

Altreab

Has anyone seen the detail on what is been proposed in the USA? I hear a figure of 40% improvement by 2020. others say a 35% improvement. How does this compare to what Non USA cars do at the moment?

Dartz

45MPG I think was the standard set.

Of course, that's 45MPG on a test stand. You'd be lucky to do half that in the real world. It might be easier to just finagle a test to say a car does 45MPG, than to actually make a car do 45MPG.

If it isn't.

The Camaro is dead.
The Corvette is dead.
The V8 is dead
And that's just about the only thing the US auto-industry has going for it.

Paulw

Dartz wrote: »

45MPG I think was the standard set.

39 miles per gallon by 2016 is what was proposed. The current US average is 25mpg.

The EU want 50 miles per gallon by the same date.

whiterebel

Paulw wrote: »

The current US average is 25mpg.

I couldn't even get that from a PT Cruiser 2.4T....13mpg around town.A heady 22mpg on a spin, downhill, following wind, wife and kids pushing, seats taken out, etc

peasant

US mpg and UK mpg are different btw

l/100 km ftw

Wishbone Ash

I think they are looking for 33 miles per US gallon.

Altreab

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I think they are looking for 33 miles per US gallon.

Thats correct. Looks like if Crysler and Fiat get a working agreement there will be a LOT of rebadged Fiats going on sale in the USA. Possibly the same with GM if Fiat get their hands on GM Europe. Expect a lot of technology transfer agreements to be made over the next few years. Also an explosion of Electric** and Hybrid cars.
BWM welcomed the announcement. Looks like there could be a lot more Diesel beemers on sale in the USA now that they have cleaner diesel than we have in Europe.
oh BUGGER ....if that happens the price of diesel will get a LOT higher due to restraints in refinery capacity..... I just might be going back to petrol in a few years time!!..


** This will make interesting times for those that own and maintain the electricity network in the USA considering its in as bad if not worse shape than ours

Stephen

I'm just back from the US. Volkswagen are pimping the $hit out of TDI's over there now. Every single ad break featured a Jetta or Passat CC TDI. They're throwing in free servicing, cash rebates, etc. They're also taking the piss out of hybrids in the same ads, comparing the better power and fuel economy to be got from their diesels.
They have the Mythbusters doing all sorts of "experiments" to show the American audience that diesel isn't as manky as it used to be and is now suitable for powering more than just trucks and trains.

Altreab

Stephen wrote: »

I'm just back from the US. Volkswagen are pimping the $hit out of TDI's over there now. Every single ad break featured a Jetta or Passat CC TDI. They're throwing in free servicing, cash rebates, etc. They're also taking the piss out of hybrids in the same ads, comparing the better power and fuel economy to be got from their diesels.
They have the Mythbusters doing all sorts of "experiments" to show the American audience that diesel isn't as manky as it used to be and is now suitable for powering more than just trucks and trains.

That makes for interesting reading. Will be interesting to see how many gas stations there start selling diesel alongside petrol. Until that happens in large enough numbers it will be a slowish take off for diesel .. then again when arericans find that american** diesel technology leads the world and they can get 40+ MPG (US) in real world driving the diesel pumps will spring up at gas stations.

** tongue firmly planted in cheek

McSpud

American consumers seem to only care about fuel efficiency when the price of oil rises. As petrol/diesel so heavily taxed in Europe the price of barrel of oil doesn't affect our price as much. I think even the numbers mentioned above will be watered down once the lobbiests & politicians get their hands on.

Altreab

McSpud wrote: »

American consumers seem to only care about fuel efficiency when the price of oil rises. As petrol/diesel so heavily taxed in Europe the price of barrel of oil doesn't affect our price as much. I think even the numbers mentioned above will be watered down once the lobbiests & politicians get their hands on.

Well the price of oil is creeping up again...back over $60. For americans thats a horrible price to be paying for gas. There is also the fact that the wider geo political situation means that america will want to start reducing its foreign oil requirements.
A department of energy report about 8 years ago said that if 30% of american cars changed to Diesel and had same MPG as european cars at that time america could eliminate all imports of oil from Saudi Arabia. That was one of the reasons why the bush admin insisted on the cleaning up of US Diesel about 37 yearsago. The fuel sold last 3 years in now a lot cleaner than whats on sale in europe.
That and the fact that Congress is bailing their sorry asses out AND is going to give the manufacturers $30 Billion to develop new cleaner cars. There will be no roll back on these new standards.

Capt'n Midnight

whiterebel wrote: »

I couldn't even get that from a PT Cruiser 2.4T....13mpg around town.A heady 22mpg on a spin, downhill, following wind, wife and kids pushing, seats taken out, etc

JCB made a car that did only 11 mpg (US gallons) ...

... while setting a 350.092 mph speed record

whiterebel

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

JCB made a car that did only 11 mpg (US gallons) ...

... while setting a 350.092 mph speed record

I don't thnk the PT would do that either......:pac:
The 2.4T Auto actually quoted on their website as doing 24mpg extra urban......:eek:

DanGerMus

Altreab wrote: »

** This will make interesting times for those that own and maintain the electricity network in the USA considering its in as bad if not worse shape than ours

While generally speaking our services are ****e i'll have to profusely disagree with any statement against out countrys national grid. We never get outages outside of storms and they rarely last more than 24 hours. We have a very well managed and maintained grid.
America for the most part runs close to and over capacity on a daily basis and due to the fact that it has been patched and reworked for probably a 100 years it was never planned out properly and is barely held together with bubble gum and paper mache.

Sorry for the off topic but damn it it's the only good thing we have in this country.

Altreab

DanGerMus wrote: »

While generally speaking our services are ****e i'll have to profusely disagree with any statement against out countrys national grid. We never get outages outside of storms and they rarely last more than 24 hours. We have a very well managed and maintained grid.
America for the most part runs close to and over capacity on a daily basis and due to the fact that it has been patched and reworked for probably a 100 years it was never planned out properly and is barely held together with bubble gum and paper mache.

Sorry for the off topic but damn it it's the only good thing we have in this country.

Interesting that is exactly the point....it is at or over capacity so when extra demands are placed on it at evening times it will find the weak links in the system. This is a problem we face in Ireland too. Due to the fact that as you mentioned a 100 years of patching it together leaves a lot of weak links. Many parts of both countries will creak and break earlier when heavier loads are placed on the system. It all comes down to the fact that its more profitable and a lot easier to produce electricity than to distribute it.

OT Rhetorical Question ,.....Why do so many countries think THEY have the carpiest services? Listen to any news stories and every country seems to think they have the worst problems!!!

Right back on fecking Topic :D:D:D