Who To Take Driving Lessons From!!

bacsom

RSA Launches Register of Approved Driving Instructors
From today 1st May 2009 learner drivers paying for driving lessons should only use a ‘full permit’ holding Approved Driving Instructor (ADI) registered with the Road Safety Authority (RSA).

It is Illegal for a non full ADI Driving Instructor to give lessons for payment.
A full permit holder should have the ADI/RSA car sticker on his/hers car displayed. Also if they can not provide a badge ask for their certificate.

That’s the RSA’s message to learner drivers following the introduction of new laws which, for the first time, regulate driving instructors in Ireland. Learner drivers looking for their nearest Approved Driving Instructor can visit www.rsa.ie or www.drivingtest.ie or www.theorytest.ie to download the list of full permit holding Approved Driving Instructors.

Commenting on the introduction of the new ADI regulations Mr. Noel Brett, CEO, Road Safety Authority said “Finally after decades of demand for national regulation of the driving instruction industry I am delighted that the RSA will finally launch the register of Approved Driving Instructors from 1st May. This heralds a new era in driving instruction and road safety in Ireland as regulation will guarantee the quality and skills of those teaching new drivers across the country.

tormented

Dead right. Its way over time it was brought into effect, unfortunately though the RSA list of ADI's on their website is missing a fair few ADI's in their local area but its being updated. Its important that learners have full access to qualified instructors in their area.

theocn

It is Illegal for a non full ADI Driving Instructor to give lessons for payment.

Not sure that this is correct. From what i've heard anyone who's passed Part 1 of the ADI has a further 3 months up to the end of July to pass the remaining 2 parts, and during this time they can continue teaching. Maybe someone will correct me if I'm wrong

fobster

Good stuff, look up a few near me and get some rates.

DriveSkill

theocn wrote: »

Not sure that this is correct. From what i've heard anyone who's passed Part 1 of the ADI has a further 3 months up to the end of July to pass the remaining 2 parts, and during this time they can continue teaching. Maybe someone will correct me if I'm wrong

That is correct, however the only way you have of knowing if the instuctor has passed Part 1 is by you checking with the RSA ADI unit yourself as that list is not published.

DrivingInfo

Not sure that this is correct. From what i've heard anyone who's passed Part 1 of the ADI has a further 3 months up to the end of July to pass the remaining 2 parts, and during this time they can continue teaching. Maybe someone will correct me if I'm wrong

This is correct

Learner Drivers should only take lessons with RSA-ADI Full permit holders as they are the only ones who bothered to get qualified before the deadline.

Sunjammer

DrivingInfo wrote: »

Learner Drivers should only take lessons with RSA-ADI Full permit holders as they are the only ones who bothered to get qualified before the deadline.

That's probably not entirely true to be fair, what about people who are new to the business... although I'm sure you're right about some who like everything else just could not be bothered until the last minute

DrivingInfo

Sunjammer wrote: »

That's probably not entirely true to be fair, what about people who are new to the business... although I'm sure you're right about some who like everything else just could not be bothered until the last minute

If your new to the business your a trainee, your not qualified and you are only learning the trade. So in this situation a trainee should be training under and/or with a Qualified Instructor. I think this is for the sake of the learner.

Maybe you do not know it, but this was meant to come in "for January", it was extended till May and now another 3 months for those with part 1 only.

Like many Driving Instructors i completed and passed the exams last year (Oct)

SO never mind people who are new, What about us? The Qualified Instructors,

NOTE: I do not have any issue with people new to Driving Instruction.
My issue is with those who new this was on the way and did not bother.

Regards

Sunjammer

DrivingInfo wrote: »

If your new to the business your a trainee, your not qualified and you are only learning the trade. So in this situation a trainee should be training under and/or with a Qualified Instructor. I think this is for the sake of the learner.

Maybe you do not know it, but this was meant to come in "for January", it was extended till May and now another 3 months for those with part 1 only.

Like many Driving Instructors i completed and passed the exams last year (Oct)

SO never mind people who are new, What about us? The Qualified Instructors,

NOTE: I do not have any issue with people new to Driving Instruction.
My issue is with those who new this was on the way and did not bother.

Regards

Indecently I am not in the business at all but I suggest you read what you typed which was

"Learner Drivers should only take lessons with RSA-ADI Full permit holders as they are the only ones who bothered to get qualified before the deadline."

As I said that is not entirely correct now is it!

You also now say:

"SO never mind people who are new, What about us? The Qualified Instructors"

I don't understand this statement at all, have you something to fear or to be nervous of from some new competition to your market!

Sounds to me like a serious case of "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen"

The business I am involved in brought in very strict qualification requirements way back in 2001 as a government statuary Implement and a good percentage of people have still not bothered to acquire the necessary requirements but I don't worry about that I just offer a good service and look after my customers, if I was to worry about such things I'd pack it up :rolleyes:

hayyman

theocn wrote: »

Not sure that this is correct. From what i've heard anyone who's passed Part 1 of the ADI has a further 3 months up to the end of July to pass the remaining 2 parts, and during this time they can continue teaching. Maybe someone will correct me if I'm wrong

That is correct

DrivingInfo

If your new to the business your a trainee, your not qualified and you are only learning the trade. So in this situation a trainee should be training under and/or with a Qualified Instructor.

I think this is for the sake of the learner.
You say your not involved with driving instruction, "well I am", and for years I listened to instructors asking for qualification requirements, but yet when it comes they don't bother doing what they were asked to do.

Maybe you do not know it, but this was meant to come in "for January", it was extended till May and now another 3 months for those with part 1 only.

Like many Driving Instructors i completed and passed the exams last year (Oct). If your in a business (and let me point out you did not say which one) and it is a requirement by LAW for you to hold a qualification well i think it is only right that you should hold the qualification. Do you not agree?

SO never mind people who are new, what about us? The Qualified Instructors,

Sorry but this was a question not a statement.

NOTE: I do not have any issue with people new to Driving Instruction.

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So why would i have an issue with new Instructors?

My issue is with those who new this was on the way and did not bother.

Sorry missed this:
My issue is with those who knew this was on the way and did not bother.

Sunjammer

Hi DrivingInfo,

Sorry I didn't mention the business I am in because it is not relevant to learning to drive I am in the marine sector (Licensed Passenger Ferries) and believe me whatever rules and regs (laws) an especially the expense to reach the requirements an ADI has to go through it wouldn't even scratch the surface of our rules and regs and as I have said a good percentage of people in my business have not bothered to complete all the required qualifications and they knew since well before the 2001 deadline, Like I said I don't concern myself with that I concentrate on giving my customers the best quality of service.

I think you need to chill out a little, some of your posts are giving the impression of someone who is only on here touting for business. You have an excellent website one of the best and it is known far and wide for its video tips and I'm sure has and will bring your much business.

Most students will only use the services of an ADI if paying for lessons so I think you have little to worry about except for the current economic climate like each and every one of us

DrivingInfo

HI Sunjammer

See what you mean:o
Now that you know what i do will you edit the service out of the post, "you will see i did".

I have to say i am a bit upset with the way Driving Instructor have been treated in the sense that it is the ones who sat back get all the benefit.

But then again that's the world we live in.;)

Sunjammer

DrivingInfo wrote: »

HI Sunjammer

See what you mean:o
Now that you know what i do will you edit the service out of the post, "you will see i did".

I have to say i am a bit upset with the way Driving Instructor have been treated in the sense that it is the ones who sat back get all the benefit.

But then again that's the world we live in.;)

I removed the quote from last post that's the simplest way
The problem with forums is that what you type has no expressions so sometimes it comes across in a way that the poster didn't intended it to!

Know what you mean about those that sit back and take all the benefits that's the same in my game too, and there is very little if any enforcement of the law in my sector unless a fatal accident occurs :mad:

bacsom

Hi Sunjammer and the rest who are not in the driving business,

I think the point being made by driving info is simply that that does who are not quallified ( or are in the process) are still teaching, which techincally means they are taking clients or FOOD from the table from those who did pay for the ADI licence.

Its a pretty serious thing knowing what state the economy is in, but all we must care about is OUR own economy, and non adi`s are taking away from that!


To be honest even that isnt the worst thing! the worst is that the govrement took our 800.00 or 900.00 or more to be qualified, and yet this qualifications are totally ignored and are unknown to most people outside the driving school industry!

brian076

bacsom wrote: »

To be honest even that isnt the worst thing! the worst is that the govrement took our 800.00 or 900.00 or more to be qualified, and yet this qualifications are totally ignored and are unknown to most people outside the driving school industry!

There's a lot of anger out there among driving instructors and this was expressed in no uncertain terms during recent meetings with RSA officials.
The original cut-off date for completing the 3 stage process to become an ADI was 31st Dec, this was extended to 30th April, & now once someone has completed Part 1 they can go on teaching until 31st July. No doubt it'll be extended again at that time.

That's not the only problem though, it's the lack of awareness among the general public of the importance of taking lessons with an ADI, and as the previous poster says people have not been adequatley informed by the RSA.

As an excercise, I asked 10 of my pupils what did the ADI qualification mean, and only 2 of them knew. Eventhough the stickers are on my car, 4 of them had never even heard of it.

Even if ADI's were the only ones who could teach, who's going to police it? unlike the taxi industry, there's no Regulator, so either the Gardai are going to have to stop every Driving School car to check if the instructor is qualified, or we're going to have to police it ourselves, which shouldn't be the case.

If someone turns up for their test in an instructor's car they will still be taken out on test, even if the tester knows that the instructor is not qualified, and the tester will not be able to do anything about it.

Only in Ireland!

Sunjammer

bacsom wrote: »

To be honest even that isnt the worst thing! the worst is that the govrement took our 800.00 or 900.00 or more to be qualified, and yet this qualifications are totally ignored and are unknown to most people outside the driving school industry!

There is probably little point in worrying about it though

In our sector the cost of getting qualified went in to the thousands and that was pounds at the time and there were talks at the time of confiscating vessels and jailing people etc :rolleyes: To this day there are unqualified people operating and worse still unlicensed unsafe vessels in places and nothing is done to enforce the laws so I'm afraid the same will probably be the case for ADI's.

As Drivinginfo put it that's the world we live in I'm afraid

Best thing for any ADI to do is to concentrate on building up his/her reputation by looking after their customers and reap the returns