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Funny...Libertas managed to explain why Im both libertas skeptical and euroskeptical

  • 19-05-2009 12:45pm
    #1
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭


    Go to their home page, http://www.libertas.eu and use the calculator on the sidebar (left). Assume your national party gets all 13 seats.
    It says:
    With your national party, you only won 13 out of 785 seats
    With Libertas you can win 785 out of 785

    It's clear from this poll that Irish interests will have hardly any impact on decision making in Europe since we only have 1.7% of the vote (my old Euromillions vs. National Lottery argument)

    But Libertas aren't good for Ireland either, in fact they seem even more likely to be trying to form a superstate Europe. IF they get control of the parliament, presumably they'll all vote along a party line. And since they're a pan-European party you can bet that Irish interests will almost certainly not be their priority.

    It takes me back to what I've said before: The only answer to the democratic deficit is to stop handing over power from national governments to the EU. Irish issues should be decided by the Irish people. That's what independence means. And until some party out there addresses the issue of centralization of power away from us, the people, I will remain euro skeptical.


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  • #2
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That's not even an argument and is a pretty anti-democratic notion but that's what we've come to expect from Libertas.The word totalitarian springs to mind here, although delusion is a much better one.


  • #3
    darc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 677 ✭✭✭darc


    Libertas' EU Election Promise -

    I swear this it their TOP issue and seems to be the issue that they are fighting on.



    wait for it...



    Its a MAJOR European issue...







    "We will Publish details of all our expenses"

    Yep - the TOP selling point to elect Libertas in Irealnd East is that they will publish their expense sheets every month.


    I've looked at both sides of their flyer and there are no other policies stated. - Even SF do better than that!


  • #4
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Well I do agree that there should be far more accountability for the extravagance currently going on in Europe but even so it's a bad argument.
    If there was a true democratic option I'd vote for it but there really doesn't seem to be, because as Libertas have pointed out, our votes count for **** in Europe.


  • #5
    turgon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭turgon


    And Colm Burke already does it Im sure.


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