Everyday use rx7/rx8, legacy b4? ( all of them really low milladge :( )

ShadowHearth

Hey lads, soon enought ill be buying myself something sporty for everyday use. I am still young, so i whana have something fun before i hit 30ties.

I drive to work about 10 milles per day, outside that i sometimes drive to shop or 30 milles to Cork with misses for small "shoping" once awhile. So yes, i am not doing alot of milladge. But heres the problem:

I was checking adds of rx7 and rx8 and legacy b4, and all of them have really low milladge( for year). WHY?

Are those cars are just being sold as soon as possible when owners get cought? Or these cars ar just not biuld to last?

Mine curent car has 110k milles its a 00". And its still alive and kicking. Makes you wonder when you see 04" with 40k milles ( not just one, but all ofthem)

Biro

I'm always a bit wary of overly low mileage too. Clocking is all too common these days.
Out of those three, the RX7 would be the most fun. The rotor tips on these though typically had a 60,000 life-span usually, maybe a bit higher in the later models. That's an engine out job, and expensive. So factor that into the equation. Find a well loved one and you could have an advantage of finding one with maybe 70k miles with the rotor tips done.
The RX8's are getting very nicely priced. There's no real time limit on the rotor tips on these, should be quite high. If well looked after these should be reliable. Keep the oil topped up on it and abide by the no short run law etc and they'll be fine.
The Legacy I don't know too much about, but they should be well able for big miles. The only problem would be the abuse they may have had in the former life. Being 4WD, when you dog them a lot of strain is put on the running gear due to the increased grip. If you have a RWD with a good bit of bhp, if you nail it all you'll do is cook the rear tyres really, but 4WD might be a bit more subject to things like differentials and gearbox problems if they're abused. Maybe someone who knows more will be along shortly with more accurate info.
In any case be sure to take your time finding the right one.

ShadowHearth

hey nice post m8. I heard a gossip, that rx8 needs to be topped up with oil every second time you get petrol? And its a dog to top up oil in these models?

I would love rx8 tbh, its really unique. But such babysiting is really not an option for me... I would love to know more about them.

Rx7 engine life 60k milles?! thats actually horrible . Is that expencive job to do every 60k? What kind of money we talking about?

And b4... I do know that imprezas are just being driven the dog out of it... But legacy would be a bit different i guess... Specially if you would go for the new shaped one, boy racers could not afford that thing...

Biro

Babysitting is the wrong word really. A massive amount of cars these days tend to use a good bit of oil, and not necessarily by design. The RX8 does so because of it's design, to keep the rotor tips lubricated. Every 2nd fill of petrol is the recommended time frame to check the oil. I haven't heard anything about them being hard to fill, but I doubt the oil cap is in a very awkward position? some RX owners here may help with that! I doubt it's any harder than in anything else.
The Subaru B-spec in the new shape is a 3 litre N/A isn't it? I'm not 100% sure when they changed from the 2.5 twin turbo.
There's an element of "babysitting" with any higher performance car really. You need to keep the right oil in them changed regularly, and keep an eye on it no matter what the car. Owners clubs will let you know about any other out-of-the-ordinary maintainance they might need that may be known for a particular model.
I've no idea how much it costs to change the tips on the RX7, but I'd be guessing around 2 grand or maybe 3. But put another way, the 3 litre Legacy would cost you €2,400 in road tax in 2 years anyway, so maybe saving the money not spent on road tax from the RX7 ownership will cover the costs of the rotor-tips (otherwise known as an engine re-build, although I think that's slightly overstating it!)!

gunhappy_ie

Shadow, i dont understand your needs 2 weeks ago i imported a 98 subaru legacy gtb. Its the estate version of the B4. Its the same 280bhp engine as the B4, same 4wheel drive and blitzen suspension all sound. The car is fantastic. I looked for ages to find black manual but its well worth it. As subaru goes there pretty much all bullet proof, so long as its serviced properly, ya warm them up before use, give them super unleaded, and dont give them dogs cause. Mate of mine has a sti scooby with over 110k miles n never a penny put into engine or suspension in repairs!

ShadowHearth

Biro wrote: »

Babysitting is the wrong word really. A massive amount of cars these days tend to use a good bit of oil, and not necessarily by design. The RX8 does so because of it's design, to keep the rotor tips lubricated. Every 2nd fill of petrol is the recommended time frame to check the oil. I haven't heard anything about them being hard to fill, but I doubt the oil cap is in a very awkward position? some RX owners here may help with that! I doubt it's any harder than in anything else.
The Subaru B-spec in the new shape is a 3 litre N/A isn't it? I'm not 100% sure when they changed from the 2.5 twin turbo.
There's an element of "babysitting" with any higher performance car really. You need to keep the right oil in them changed regularly, and keep an eye on it no matter what the car. Owners clubs will let you know about any other out-of-the-ordinary maintainance they might need that may be known for a particular model.
I've no idea how much it costs to change the tips on the RX7, but I'd be guessing around 2 grand or maybe 3. But put another way, the 3 litre Legacy would cost you €2,400 in road tax in 2 years anyway, so maybe saving the money not spent on road tax from the RX7 ownership will cover the costs of the rotor-tips (otherwise known as an engine re-build, although I think that's slightly overstating it!)!

Eh sry i ment new shaped one as 2004++, that still would be a 2.0 twin turbo. Mine bad.

All these cars ar in bracket of 14k only. and 2k for rx7 is a bit alot.... thought i do about 10k milles a year... but you newer know at what stage you get one... I guess not all mechanic will agree to work on rotar engine aswell... you need a spec for it...


Cheers again for more info

ShadowHearth

gunhappy_ie wrote: »

Shadow, i dont understand your needs 2 weeks ago i imported a 98 subaru legacy gtb. Its the estate version of the B4. Its the same 280bhp engine as the B4, same 4wheel drive and blitzen suspension all sound. The car is fantastic. I looked for ages to find black manual but its well worth it. As subaru goes there pretty much all bullet proof, so long as its serviced properly, ya warm them up before use, give them super unleaded, and dont give them dogs cause. Mate of mine has a sti scooby with over 110k miles n never a penny put into engine or suspension in repairs!

Jap import is it? Are there non jap legacys btw? I would not touch a jap import withouth remap thought...

Biro

2 litre twin turbo Legacy??? Are you sure? Not in UK/Ireland AFAIK.

ShadowHearth

well all b4 are 2.0 twin turbo as long as i know... 280 bhp...


Moust of them are from Jap. But i whant to know, are there some uk/irish ones?

TomMc

The current model Legacy came/comes in 2.0, 2.5 and 3.0 petrol. All are non-turbo. The original/official Irish & UK "Spec B" cars are all 3.0L only (naturally aspirated flat-6) and aren't badged B4 or anything like that. They market the car to completely different kind of clients in Europe and the USA, compared with Japan and possibly Australia.

The Jap imports come in 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 (some with 2.0 tax books:rolleyes:) and are badged B4, Twin Turbo, GT.. STI, this that and the other. I'd presume a very high percentage of Jap imports are clocked, but that's just me.

Muckie

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emmbaasee

B4 was made for the jap market only.
Any b4 you see in Ireland is a Jap import.
The closest thing to a b4 is the Legacy spec B 3.l which is available through Subaru's Irish dealer network;)

ShadowHearth

cheers lads, so all b4 twin turbos are jap... Damn it!

I really love the car, but all those horror stories about blown engines really makes me scared...

And remap cost a fortune aswell....


Thx again lads. What about those milles now? all jap imports are just clocked then? O-o?

partyatmygaff

Have you considered one of these babies?
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Lotus/Elise/200919192699444/advert?channel=CARS



Sporty but you seriously might want to know it is LOW(I mean your @ss will be within 10cm of the ground feeling low).
Amazing car, was in one as a passenger 0-60 of 5.9 seconds and never seen cornering quite like it.

Only a 2 seater though?

Biro

TomMc wrote: »

The current model Legacy came/comes in 2.0, 2.5 and 3.0 petrol. All are non-turbo. The original/official Irish & UK "Spec B" cars are all 3.0L only (naturally aspirated flat-6) and aren't badged B4 or anything like that. They market the car to completely different kind of clients in Europe and the USA, compared with Japan and possibly Australia.

The Jap imports come in 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 (some with 2.0 tax books:rolleyes:) and are badged B4, Twin Turbo, GT.. STI, this that and the other. I'd presume a very high percentage of Jap imports are clocked, but that's just me.

Thanks for that, that's what I thought alright. Def no 2 litre twin turbo that I've ever come across. 2.5 twin turbo and I'm not sure if there was a 3 litre twin turbo, but both were Jap only.

ShadowHearth

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Have you considered one of these babies?
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Lotus/Elise/200919192699444/advert?channel=CARS



Sporty but you seriously might want to know it is LOW(I mean your @ss will be within 10cm of the ground feeling low).
Amazing car, was in one as a passenger 0-60 of 5.9 seconds and never seen cornering quite like it.

Only a 2 seater though?

lol i m8 i do love this 10cm from ground amd 2 seats even better, i wount need to drive all ,ome misses girls out and stuff . but i hate lotus elise, specially inside. Its just me ^^

Cheers for it anyway m8!

Graham_B18C

Biro wrote: »

Thanks for that, that's what I thought alright. Def no 2 litre twin turbo that I've ever come across. 2.5 twin turbo and I'm not sure if there was a 3 litre twin turbo, but both were Jap only.

Dont know if I'm reading your post correctly but anyhow! The old RSK B4 was a 2L Twin Turbo, only came as an import though I think.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1084763

I really like em though

Biro

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Dont know if I'm reading your post correctly but anyhow! The old RSK B4 was a 2L Twin Turbo, only came as an import though I think.

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1084763

I really like em though

Which one was the 2.5 twin turbo then? The model before that one?

Graham_B18C

I don't know of a 2.5 TT one but here's the 3L, I'd assume this is a TT because the STI Badge

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=961797

These are the only 2.5's I can see, mightn't be any for sale in Ireland, tis too late to be looking through the internet for one!

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1377509

TomMc

If you forget the cooking 2.0 & 2.5L models the Irish & UK Spec B was a 245 brake flat 6, 3.0L, no turbos. It has some sort of VVT.

The standard Jap one is a 280 brake Twin Turbo flat 4. They had one in America which I think had a single turbo and it was called a 2.5GT. Then they brought one out in Japan last year a 2.5 STI 402 or something which had 285 brake so I presume it was a single turbo as well. Remember these cars are called the Liberty in Australia and they get slightly different performance models there from the ones in Japan. B4, GT, Spec B can get mixed around from one model to the next or different markets. It is quite confusing!

The OP might like the more civilised Irish UK 3.0L non-turbo Spec B. Less to go wrong and they most probably have more sedate owners. If the road tax isn't an issue and low 20's mpg, well something of a Q-car.

Biro

Grahamo999 wrote: »

I don't know of a 2.5 TT one but here's the 3L, I'd assume this is a TT because the STI Badge

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=961797

Lol... "3.0 taxed as a 2.0". I'd say its as straight as an arrow!!
Doesn't surprise me one bit given the place it's advertised from.

TomMc

Both the old B4 RSK or GTB models brought in were Jap imports 2.0L 280bhp TT. I think where people get confused is that the rival at the time, the Mitsubishi Galant VR4 also had 280 or so brake but it was a 2.5, so with our tax laws the Subaru had far more takers. But while most were Jap imports as well, the VR4 was indeed available as an official UK car and not a grey import.

TomMc

Biro wrote: »

Lol... "3.0 taxed as a 2.0". I'd say its as straight as an arrow!!
Doesn't surprise me one bit given the place it's advertised from.

It would put you off all Jap imports wouldn't it.:D

Without a bonnet scoop it is almost certainly a non-turbo as well. Probably the exact same na engine as over here. With a hair-cut and some pink STI decals added for effect.

Biro

TomMc wrote: »

It would put you off all Jap imports wouldn't it.:D

Without a bonnet scoop it is almost certainly a non-turbo as well. Probably the exact same na engine as over here. With a hair-cut and some pink STI decals added for effect.

I was more thinking of that specific place! I know it and lets just say they wouldn't be on my "dealers who impress me" list!

philipm

I bought a RX8 new in 2004 and it was the more thirsty than a v8 Ford Falcon and the oil did need to be topped up after every 2 full tanks of fuel.

Aside from this they are great fun to drive but make sure to factor in the running costs.

voxpop

did I read somewhere that they use cheap oil (i.e. mineral) rather than fully synthetic ?

Will a baby seat fit in the back and buggy in the boot. I really want an RX8 after reading these threads.

philipm

I was doing 500 miles a week, so take off the sensible hat and I have to say you will love every second of ownership:cool:

Baby seat: Yes no worries there my sisters kids ones fitted no bother.

Boot: It very large as no spare if I remember.

Oil: 5W 20 engine oil. I think you can use synthetic so long as you service/change oil regulary.

Black is the only colour:cool:

voxpop

I was hoping that you would give me a reason to stop looking at these cars


Off to carzone for 10 mins of RX8 oggling :pac:

Stufinnegan

Just to clarify oil usage with the RX8 (from a day to day RX8 driver). If you drive normally and keep the revs below 5000rpm, after two petrol fills you will notice that not much oil has been used at all. If your a spirited driver then oil consumption will increase. The most I've had to put in after two petrol fills (700-800km) is 3/4 of a liter.