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Libertas 'Say no' reasons, is this true?

  • 15-05-2009 8:20pm
    #1
    nobodythere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭


    Just wanted to know if these reasons were true or if they're scaremongering:
    http://www.libertas.eu/en/policies/reasonslisbontrreaty
    Five Reasons Why the Lisbon Treaty is Bad for Europe
    1. It is self amending. The European Council can change the way the EU operates without the need for further treaties (or a referendum in Ireland) provided there is a majority vote.

    2. A new role of President of Europe is created. The President would represent you on the world stage, yet would not be elected by you. The President’s exact powers are unknown - they have not yet been drawn up.

    3. The national parliament that you elected becomes devalued. If a national parliament believes that a proposal is outside of the remit of the EU, the unelected European Commission can decide to maintain, amend or reject the proposal.

    4. EU law will take primacy over a member state’s law if there is a difference between the two.

    5. You will have a common EU citizenship. You will have a duty of obedience to the European Union’s laws and loyalty to its institutions. Members of the European Parliament no longer represent “peoples of the member states” but will represent “citizens of the Union”.


Comments

  • #2
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,081 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    If it was left to Libertas we wouldn't be part of Europe at all.

    They're horrible scumbags that only want to protect their own agendas from being diluted by the wishes of every other person in Europe


  • #3
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I had this dumped through my door tonight:

    219nt6a.jpg

    The way I can only see it is that one lost is as bad as the other!


  • #4
    nobodythere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭nobodythere


    My name is URL wrote: »
    If it was left to Libertas we wouldn't be part of Europe at all.

    They're horrible scumbags that only want to protect their own agendas from being diluted by the wishes of every other person in Europe

    Thank you for that compelling informative argument :rolleyes:. This seems to be the only thing I ever hear about Libertas but never any reason why or what their agenda is.


  • #5
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1069 tbh


  • #6
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    grasshopa wrote: »
    4. EU law will take primacy over a member state’s law if there is a difference between the two.

    Well I'm sure that one is certainly untrue.


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  • #7
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well I'm sure that one is certainly untrue.

    Is it?


  • #8
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well I'm sure that one is certainly untrue.
    It's been true for over a decade.
    My name is URL wrote: »
    If it was left to Libertas we wouldn't be part of Europe at all.
    Not true. If you read Ganley's papers written for the FPRI, you will see that they are actually euro-federalists.

    And OP, we have a specific forum for EU issues, where you can get more knowledgeable answers.


  • #9
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Indeed.
    AH isn't the place for this.

    Also, Libertas suck.


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