Is God omnipetent

LoveDucati2

God made the world in 7 days, one of those days is a rest day.

We now know through DNA and fossil evidence that evolution is complete 100% fact.

We share a 60% DNA match with the fruit fly.

Why then has it taken approximately 14 billion years for the universe to develop sentient life that exists on our planet. Life has existed on Earth for about 2 billion years in bacterial form.

What was God doing for those 14 billion years?

There were no elements for the 1st couple of million years. Helium came along quicker, about 100,000 years for the 1st one.

If God was omnipetent why didn't he/she just simply create everything immediately.

Mickeroo

You could say god started the whole process and has had it planned out all along,that it took so long for life to come about because thats just the way god's method worked, it was busy getting everything just right,getting the universe to settle down a bit so life could start to form. The 7 days thing was made up by humans a long time ago who didnt know any better.

Rome wasn't built in a day you know :P

PDN

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

God made the world in 7 days, one of those days is a rest day.

We now know through DNA and fossil evidence that evolution is complete 100% fact.

We share a 60% DNA match with the fruit fly.

Why then has it taken approximately 14 billion years for the universe to develop sentient life that exists on our planet. Life has existed on Earth for about 2 billion years in bacterial form.

What was God doing for those 14 billion years?

There were no elements for the 1st couple of million years. Helium came along quicker, about 100,000 years for the 1st one.

If God was omnipetent why didn't he/she just simply create everything immediately.

An Eternal Being has no reason to be in a hurry.

Yesterday I decided to go for a walk. I could have gone at 10 o'clock - but I decided to go at 11 o'clock instead. Why? Because I felt like it.

For an Eternal Being a few billion years is of less consequence than that hour was to me. So God could do something now or do it in 20 billion light years time, and He would need no other reason than that He felt like it.

Slav

OP, you've raised a bunch of very interesting and fresh questions. It's amazing how come Christians have not thought about all this stuff before!

However, before you continue helping them to open their eyes and minds I think you can benefit from learning a little bit about the scientific theories you are referencing. Start with this statement of yours:

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

There were no elements for the 1st couple of million years. Helium came along quicker, about 100,000 years for the 1st one.

Then you'll be more successful in your mission... Or maybe you won't...

LoveDucati2

Slav wrote: »

I think you can benefit from learning a little bit about the scientific theories you are referencing. Start with this statement of yours:


Then you'll be more successful in your mission... Or maybe you won't...

Not sure what you mean?

In the early universe, there was no dust, every single thing in the universe was in a plasma state. The expansion of space cooled it down sufficiently to allow structures to form ie. protons, neutrons, nuclei, atoms. Neutral atoms only formed at least 500,000 years after big bang.

Hawkings has traced the big bang by visible light to an almost single point of origin.

We now know that through dark energy and dark matter that the universe will continue to expand until it dies.

Gingganggooley

Who said that God made the world in seven days?

wolfsbane

ILoveDucati2 said:

God made the world in 7 days, one of those days is a rest day.

Correct!

We now know through DNA and fossil evidence that evolution is complete 100% fact.

No, we don't.

We share a 60% DNA match with the fruit fly.

So? Was God obliged to make all forms of life completely different? No basic blocks? Must a builder use totally different materials when building hen-houses, homes, palaces? No common use of wood, cement, electrical wiring, plumbing?

Why then has it taken approximately 14 billion years for the universe to develop sentient life that exists on our planet. Life has existed on Earth for about 2 billion years in bacterial form.

Wrong on both counts. About 6000 years covers it.

What was God doing for those 14 billion years?

That's part of eternity past. Some things we know of His activity then: He planned creation, provided a Saviour for its rescue, predestined a people for Himself:
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

There were no elements for the 1st couple of million years. Helium came along quicker, about 100,000 years for the 1st one.

A fasinating mythology.

If God was omnipetent why didn't he/she just simply create everything immediately.

He did - or rather, took 7 days, one of those a rest day.

Gingganggooley

Again, where does it state that God made the world in seven days?

wolfsbane

Gingganggooley wrote: »

Again, where does it state that God made the world in seven days?

I think he referred to the 6 Day creation mentioned in Genesis 1, but he included the 7th ( rest day).

Gingganggooley

I have just read Genesis 1. It does not say that God made the world in seven days.

Genghiz Cohen

wolfsbane wrote: »

A fasinating mythology.

This post contains 3000% of your daily Irony.

PDN

wolfsbane wrote:

A fasinating mythology.

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

This post contains 3000% of your daily Irony.

And this post contains 100% of both your and Wolfsbane's monthly warnings.

If either of you want to engage in discussion of the issues then you are welcome to do so provided you follow the charter. If you want to make smart-aleck remarks then infractions will result

Mickeroo

wolfsbane wrote: »

ILoveDucati2 said:


No, we don't.

Correct, but most people do.

wolfsbane wrote: »

ILoveDucati2 said:
Wrong on both counts. About 6000 years covers it.

Covers about 0.00000013% to be exact.

PDN wrote: »

And this post contains 100% of both your and Wolfsbane's monthly warnings.

If either of you want to engage in discussion of the issues then you are welcome to do so provided you follow the charter. If you want to make smart-aleck remarks then infractions will result

Sorry,had already posted before i saw this.

wolfsbane

Gingganggooley wrote: »

I have just read Genesis 1. It does not say that God made the world in seven days.

OK, I thought it was obvious if one tallied up the days, but here is something more specific:
Genesis 2: 1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

wolfsbane

Mickeroo said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfsbane
No, we don't.

Correct, but most people do.

Indeed. Most people also believe Jesus is not the Son of God, that He did not rise from the dead; that He is not coming again to judge the world.

Gingganggooley

wolfsbane wrote: »

OK, I thought it was obvious if one tallied up the days, but here is something more specific:
Genesis 2: 1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I would take issue with the belief that God did all His work in six days. This gives rise to the common-held misconception that all of God's creation was completed within a "Seven days of creation" timeframe.

The record in Genesis 1:3ff gives an account of certain actions that were performed by God during this period. It does not imply that this list comprehensively covers all that would be required to go from a state of nothingness to one of completed perfection.

I would suggest that verse 2 governs much of what is said in the rest of the chapter. God is outlining how He went about giving the earth form, filling the void and introducing light. This allows for the possibility of an awful lot of stuff to have taken place prior to what we can read about from verse 3 on.

Mickeroo

wolfsbane wrote: »

Mickeroo said:

Indeed. Most people also believe Jesus is not the Son of God, that He did not rise from the dead; that He is not coming again to judge the world.

You sure showed me.

wolfsbane

Gingganggooley wrote: »

I would take issue with the belief that God did all His work in six days. This gives rise to the common-held misconception that all of God's creation was completed within a "Seven days of creation" timeframe.

The record in Genesis 1:3ff gives an account of certain actions that were performed by God during this period. It does not imply that this list comprehensively covers all that would be required to go from a state of nothingness to one of completed perfection.

I would suggest that verse 2 governs much of what is said in the rest of the chapter. God is outlining how He went about giving the earth form, filling the void and introducing light. This allows for the possibility of an awful lot of stuff to have taken place prior to what we can read about from verse 3 on.

Ah, I get you now. Sorry for missing the point.

Yes, an argument can be made - the Gap Theory - for an old earth, even a prior biosphere (the dinosaurs, etc.). It is very feeble in my view, but does not offer violence to the text in the way evolutionism does.

What the Gap Theory cannot do is move the 6 Day Creation of the present world and the universe back into that time. They were created in the recent past. So I don't see any value in the theory if one is looking to accommodate evolution.

Do you believe in the Gap?

Gingganggooley

I am aware of the gap theory and do not subscribe to much of what is said about it. However, I am very keen to simply read what is written in Genesis.

If somebody wanted to categorise the account from Genesis 1:3ff, as the "last six days of creation", then fair enough. But to infer that they are the only six would go beyond what the words themselves convey.

This thread is about the omnipotence of God, and began with a premise which, I believe, is flawed. God did not do everything in just six days, and He wasn't impotent for fourteen billion years.

God is omnipotent and it is this very attribute the means He can choose to do some work now, stop, and then proceed to finish it later. So why did God not choose to create everything immediately? It is because He is omnipotent.

Teutorix

the question kind of contradicts itself, if it took him 6 days. it took him 6 days because he did it 6 days. Takes me an age to write an essay but i could still do it in a lot smaller time. The fact i havent is not any reason to question my ability to do it.

PDN

Teutorix wrote: »

the question kind of contradicts itself, if it took him 6 days. it took him 6 days because he did it 6 days. Takes me an age to write an essay but i could still do it in a lot smaller time. The fact i havent is not any reason to question my ability to do it.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. The OP was a re-registered troll who had already been permabanned a week ago under another name. This thread was their (failed) attempt at a comeback.

Teutorix

They actually contributed more than trolled, epic fail really.

mewmoo

Just thought I'd pop in and slide in this fact... the whole 7 day thing is a random value made up by people yes... but if you were to read it the way it is intended to read, 7 days does not mean our planet moving on it's current trajectory rotating at it's current rate... it's mean all time spans 7 days... we are currently in the 7th day of time...

That's how it laid out... I don't know where it says it, but I hear it often enough and a priest once told me that particular fact.. and since he had study theology you have to assume he knows something about something?

Teutorix

Are you just assuming the priest studied theology?

Because there is a very (I used a word the mod doesn't like) large difference between a theologian and an ordained priest.

Soul Winner

LoveDucati2 wrote: »

God made the world in 7 days, one of those days is a rest day.

We now know through DNA and fossil evidence that evolution is complete 100% fact.

We share a 60% DNA match with the fruit fly.

Why then has it taken approximately 14 billion years for the universe to develop sentient life that exists on our planet. Life has existed on Earth for about 2 billion years in bacterial form.

What was God doing for those 14 billion years?

There were no elements for the 1st couple of million years. Helium came along quicker, about 100,000 years for the 1st one.

If God was omnipetent why didn't he/she just simply create everything immediately.

Did you study Ignormamiology in college?

phonebox

What did he do for 14 billion years?, this is a serious question.

Why

Gingganggooley wrote: »

God is omnipotent and it is this very attribute the means He can choose to do some work now, stop, and then proceed to finish it later. So why did God not choose to create everything immediately? It is because He is omnipotent.

If he was omnipotent he would have done it instantly.

mewmoo wrote: »

Just thought I'd pop in and slide in this fact... the whole 7 day thing is a random value made up by people yes... b

The whole bible is made up by people

Teutorix

phonebox wrote: »

The whole bible is made up by people

For all you know, everything is made up by you. But i really dont want to get into a philosophical lesson on a Christianity board.

b12mearse

because god is a myth.

PDN

I thought the OP being site banned would stop the trolling in this thread. But we got a troika of them!

Thread locked.