Piracy in France

PaulBrewer · 12-05-2009 7:33pm #1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/12/france-votes-illegal-downloaders

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 12-05-2009 7:39pm

Such a shame about France. I think policing the internet is a waste of time frankly. This sort of thing is just a temporary inconvenience long-term for illegal file-sharing.

Meanwhile over in Sweden however, The Pirate Bay crew, true-to-form, are coming up with very inventive ways to undermine the mercenarily litigious and bullying ways of the industry.

ICN · 12-05-2009 8:00pm

Sean_K wrote: »

Such a shame about France. I think policing the internet is a waste of time frankly. This sort of thing is just a temporary inconvenience long-term for illegal file-sharing.

Meanwhile over in Sweden however, The Pirate Bay crew, true-to-form, are coming up with very inventive ways to undermine the mercenarily litigious and bullying ways of the industry.

LOL - Brilliant comeback!

They're a devious aul bunch.. I like this one too..

#4 by belgravy - May 12th, 2009 at 10:09

send the law firm mail without a stamp so they can be charged by the postal company for it,
if enough mail comes through in a huge volume, they wont be able to find their real mail/post
and have a huge bill to pay for the un stamped post

PaulBrewer · 12-05-2009 8:08pm

Sean_K wrote: »

Such a shame about France. I think policing the internet is a waste of time frankly. This sort of thing is just a temporary inconvenience long-term for illegal file-sharing.

Meanwhile over in Sweden however, The Pirate Bay crew, true-to-form, are coming up with very inventive ways to undermine the mercenarily litigious and bullying ways of the industry.

Attacking the Law Firm for doing their Job?

It wasn't them that sued them ...

PaulBrewer · 12-05-2009 8:10pm

ICN wrote: »

LOL - Brilliant comeback!

They're a devious aul bunch.. I like this one too..

#4 by belgravy - May 12th, 2009 at 10:09

send the law firm mail without a stamp so they can be charged by the postal company for it,
if enough mail comes through in a huge volume, they wont be able to find their real mail/post
and have a huge bill to pay for the un stamped post

That's deeply wrong.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 12-05-2009 8:16pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Attacking the Law Firm for doing their Job?

Attacking the pirate bay for not illegally sharing any music?

ICN · 12-05-2009 8:22pm

Without getting too revved up about the whole situation.. Its now like a Black Comedy.. Thats the way I'm viewing it all.

The entertainment factor in the story has now become v.amusing especially looking in from the outside.

The same way as Michael Jackson holding the baby out the window.. or Kerry Katona on This Morning.. or OJ Simpson driving down the road.. is funny

PaulBrewer · 12-05-2009 8:27pm

Attacking the pirate bay for not illegally sharing any music?

As is your opinion.

The fact is they went through a legal process and were found guilty of a crime as defined by the law of their land.

That in itself doesn't make it wrong or right but at least it went through due process.

Attacking any other parties that aren't even the plaintiff or a defendant in a case is plainly morally wrong.

MrStuffins · 12-05-2009 8:33pm

Those Pirate Bay guys are geniuses

PaulBrewer · 12-05-2009 8:36pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Those Pirate Bay guys are geniuses

Certainly inventive !

However, there is a sinister tone to such shenanigans as attacking innocent parties peripheral to the case that has removed what sympathy I did have for them.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 12-05-2009 8:49pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Certainly inventive !

However, there is a sinister tone to such shenanigans as attacking innocent parties peripheral to the case that has removed what sympathy I did have for them.

All I'll say is, if you back people into a corner and punish them for a crime for which they believe they were innocent, then you can expect them to resort to whatever weapon is within reach.

PaulBrewer · 12-05-2009 9:03pm

Sean_K wrote: »

All I'll say is, if you back people into a corner and punish them for a crime for which they believe they were innocent, then you can expect them to resort to whatever weapon is within reach.

That is how criminals can react.

There is, however, no excuse for involving a 3rd party.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 12-05-2009 9:09pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

That is how criminals can react.

No it's not.

If someone came in to your place of work tomorrow and stood up and pissed on a console because of something you said on boards, I don't think you'd sit down and take it quietly.

jtsuited · 12-05-2009 9:11pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Attacking the Law Firm for doing their Job?

It wasn't them that sued them ...

woah woah woah. not a good grasp of ethics here if you deem someone 'an innocent third party' simply because they were 'doing their job'.

wilfully taking a case for a lucrative fee (and you can be damn sure it was a great bloody fee) does not make them innocent bystanders in the debacle.

I'm not saying the Pirate Bay guys are innocent btw, I'm just pointing out that ethically speaking, the Law Firm are not 'an innocent 3rd party'.

To bring things closer to home, do you think the solicitors acting on behalf of Declan Ganley attempting to sue everyone who prints a bad word about him are an innocent third party?

But as ICN says, this is going to be an entertaining story.

PaulBrewer · 12-05-2009 9:20pm

Sean_K wrote: »

No it's not.

If someone came in to your place of work tomorrow and stood up and pissed on a console because of something you said on boards, I don't think you'd sit down and take it quietly.

No, I'd call the Gardai as would most right thinking people and as is my legal right.

A clear distinction needs to be made between right and wrong here.

It is not entirely clear that Pirate Bay is absolutely wrong , despite proceedings in a court of law.

What is clearly wrong is to involve another party by attacking them as some sort of 'payback'.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 12-05-2009 9:26pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

What is clearly wrong is to involve another party by attacking them as some sort of 'payback'.

I don't think calling it 'payback' is fair. They're not out for revenge. They're fighting for what they believe. The law firm is collateral damage. I agree that they shouldn't be involved but I can understand that they are.

PaulBrewer · 12-05-2009 9:44pm

Sean_K wrote: »

I agree that they shouldn't be involved

I rest my case.

ICN · 12-05-2009 9:51pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

I rest my case.

Elvis has left the building!

madtheory · 13-05-2009 8:14am

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Certainly inventive !

However, there is a sinister tone to such shenanigans as attacking innocent parties peripheral to the case that has removed what sympathy I did have for them.

I agree, and I think it shows that they had a poor moral standing in the first place, and it will look very bad for the appeal. IMO, they deserve the jail sentence.

teamdresch · 13-05-2009 8:41am

A lot of fail on this thread.
"Music Piracy isn't illegal because I like it" seems to be the order of the day.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 13-05-2009 9:06am

teamdresch wrote: »

A lot of fail on this thread.
"Music Piracy isn't illegal because I like it" seems to be the order of the day.

Now you're completely missing the point.

TPB are a tracker index. They provide the same function as google albeit specifically for torrent files.

They're nothing but a third party to the piracy.

madtheory · 13-05-2009 9:11am

Sean_K wrote: »

Now you're completely missing the point.

TPB are a tracker index. They provide the same function as google albeit specifically for torrent files.

They're nothing but a third party to the piracy.

Right ya, this argument has been trotted out ad nauseum in the internet, it's unoriginal and incorrect.

Fact is, by law, Pirate Bay is still a violation of copyright, just read the statement inside any book or CD.

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