Leading Retail control of market

Heyes

Not too sure if this is the right place, if not please move

I was just wondering what people s thoughts are on large retailers coming into the Irish market, and taking control to such an extent that if there demands are not met it results in loss of jobs and business closure.

A huge number of Warehousing, distribution, and supplier, jobs are at risk of been lost because of the control of ONE retail, it hardly seems fair or right.

I ve seen a few articles in the paper on this, but they seem to be quickly brushed over or on the side of the retail !!? seems odd...:mad:

I know this has been going on for years, but because of the sterling / euro reduction it seems to have gone into overdrive !!!

What are your thoughts ?

Armin_Tamzarian

Damn Wall-Mart

Gummy Panda

Is it Tesco?

Heyes

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Is it Tesco?

Yes amongst others, i wasnt trying to keep that secret, i was just asking a more general question.

Fratton Fred

We need less global retailers, less competition and higher prices, how else are we to beat this recession thing!

Overheal

Europes pretty good about its monopoly and antitrust cases so I doubt theyre doing anything wrong

ScumLord

At the very least they are breaking up the Irish cartels. They're no worse than our own lot that have been fleecing us for years.

It is disgusting that the people that make our food have to do it at a loss but the only people to blame for all this is the people spending money. You and me.

Heyes

Overheal wrote: »

Europes pretty good about its monopoly and antitrust cases so I doubt theyre doing anything wrong

There margings are far higher than any other retail (20 odd %), they also expect the supplier to provide the stock at a unrealistic price and if this is not provided the supplier is in turn black listed and loose the placement within store which in turn will potentially loose there business and lead to closure.

They have far too much control, and none of there stock is now supplied from ireland apart from a few so they have provided job losses, there is also reductions within there offices in ireland so yet again more job losses.

Dont be suprised if you dont see the "irish" symbol on any of there goods, as most of it is not sourced from this country, leading to longer lead times on delivery, poorer quality but you are still expected to pay the same price.

Sounds so fair !?

jesus_thats_gre

ScumLord wrote: »

At the very least they are breaking up the Irish cartels. They're no worse than our own lot that have been fleecing us for years.

Don't forget the local chanber of commerce too.

cherryghost

who needs the qwik-e-mart?

My name is URL

If it improves competitiveness it can only be a good thing.

The fact that it's multinationals that's doing it is not a big deal because infrastructure is created out of industry, meaning that a town with bigger retailers is able to adapt for job losses better than a town with smaller, locally owned businesses.

Globalization though, is a bad idea, imo.

Heyes

My name is URL wrote: »

If it improves competitiveness it can only be a good thing.

The fact that it's multinationals that's doing it is not a big deal because infrastructure is created out of industry, meaning that a town with bigger retailers is able to adapt for job losses better than a town with smaller, locally owned businesses.

Globalization though, is a bad idea, imo.

Granted it does improve competition but only if its any good to the consumer, the prices they provide could be a lot less considering the amount they pay the supplier.

My name is URL

Heyes wrote: »

Granted it does improve competition but only if its any good to the consumer, the prices they provide could be a lot less considering the amount they pay the supplier.

Yeah that's true, but at the end of the day they're gonna charge what people are willing to pay. A time will come that people will be willing to pay less (like now) and they'll need to adapt or die.

I'm sure we'll see alot of both.

Clytus

Heyes wrote: »

There margings are far higher than any other retail (20 odd %), they also expect the supplier to provide the stock at a unrealistic price and if this is not provided the supplier is in turn black listed and loose the placement within store which in turn will potentially loose there business and lead to closure.

They have far too much control, and none of there stock is now supplied from ireland apart from a few so they have provided job losses, there is also reductions within there offices in ireland so yet again more job losses.

Dont be suprised if you dont see the "irish" symbol on any of there goods, as most of it is not sourced from this country, leading to longer lead times on delivery, poorer quality but you are still expected to pay the same price.

Sounds so fair !?

Ah my friend...iv been there many a time. Basically i know what I would like to get...but when you attend the "meeting" your basically told what youll be given.
It hard...but whats the alternative?...My margins are shocking...but at least i get paid every time..on time..and they have the volume.
And once you established...normally you can find ways to negoiate with suppliers...refine your processess and realise the full margins.

johnnyskeleton

Heyes wrote: »

I was just wondering what people s thoughts are on large retailers coming into the Irish market, and taking control to such an extent that if there demands are not met it results in loss of jobs and business closure.

Is it any different to large retailers developing within the Irish market e.g. dunnes?

Heyes

Clytus wrote: »

Ah my friend...iv been there many a time. Basically i know what I would like to get...but when you attend the "meeting" your basically told what youll be given.
It hard...but whats the alternative?...My margins are shocking...but at least i get paid every time..on time..and they have the volume.
And once you established...normally you can find ways to negoiate with suppliers...refine your processess and realise the full margins.

Dito on been there, i just cant understand why no journalist or government body has taken this matter on board and made it more public, all i ever see is an article here and article there, it always ends up with the retailer been the winner, never the supplier.

Heyes

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Is it any different to large retailers developing within the Irish market e.g. dunnes?

How they manage there suppliers is slightly different, they also supply irish sourced product. Granted they are no angel but they are a bit more managable and fair to the supplier / producer than tesco.

Captain-America

It's ridiculous. Tesco have started phasing out loads of Irish products recently in order to bring in cheaper English products.

Affecting people I know too.

Heyes

Captain-America wrote: »

It's ridiculous. Tesco have started phasing out loads of Irish products recently in order to bring in cheaper English products.

Affecting people I know too.

its only gonna get worse.

Valmont

Dey tuk arrrrr jobs!

Captain-America

Good for you Father! Well someone had the guts to stand up to them at last. Comin' over here, takin' our jobs and our women and actin' like they own the feckin' place. Well done Father! Good for you! Good for you! I'd like to feckin....

Feckin' Greeks.

Ouchette

heyes wrote:

they also expect the supplier to provide the stock at a unrealistic price and if this is not provided the supplier is in turn black listed and loose the placement within store which in turn will potentially loose there business and lead to closure.

So, what you're saying is that if one supplier can't provide goods as cheaply as another supplier can, they'll go bust and the more efficient supplier will win their business instead? Oh well. :rolleyes:


I don't see why Tesco (or any other retailer) shouldn't make as much money as it can here. Equally, Dunnes (or any other Irish retailer) is free to do exactly the same over in the UK.

Biggins

All I can add is that RGData also has a lot to answer for!
One major group of bullies.

OPENROAD

Captain-America wrote: »

It's ridiculous. Tesco have started phasing out loads of Irish products recently in order to bring in cheaper English products.

Affecting people I know too.

If they can bring in the goods cheaper from the UK or elsewhere, what is wrong with Tesco as a company doing this, like any company the aim is to maximise profit, if people feel very strongly about it, then just boycott Tesco, shop in Irish owened stores, buy Irish produce and pay a higher price if indeed the Irish product is higher in price. And then aybe people in other countries will start boycotting Irish produce because it is at the expense of their own goods.


People will shop where they can get the best price, up until very recently it appeared to me as a shopper that their was little difference in price if any on branded goods between all supermarkets. Only now I am starting to notice a difference in prices.

OPENROAD

Ouchette wrote: »

I don't see why Tesco (or any other retailer) shouldn't make as much money as it can here. Equally, Dunnes (or any other Irish retailer) is free to do exactly the same over in the UK.

+1

Heyes

Ouchette wrote: »

So, what you're saying is that if one supplier can't provide goods as cheaply as another supplier can, they'll go bust and the more efficient supplier will win their business instead? Oh well. :rolleyes:


I don't see why Tesco (or any other retailer) shouldn't make as much money as it can here. Equally, Dunnes (or any other Irish retailer) is free to do exactly the same over in the UK.

Its not as simple as that, its a case of one country over another not just one supplier over another. Its uk and european countries winning the contract over your own country companies... which in turn is resulting in redundanices, in the supplier, the distributors, and transport companies through out the country.

If it was as simple as one company over another yeah grand thats fair, but its a lot more sneekier than that.

I would agree on your second statement if it ment you werent been over charged, and were been provided with your own home grown product.

ctrl-alt-delete

Welcome to Europe, please shop carefully.

Ouchette

Heyes, I think it really is as simple as that. Tesco presumably chooses their supplier according to who's cheapest, not because of their nationality. Nothing remotely sneaky about that.

Would you like them to stop buying Irish products to put in the UK stores too? Fair's fair. And there are a LOT more UK stores than Irish ones. That wouldn't be so good for Irish employment either. Neither would stocking lots of Irish products in the border stores if people aren't

My second statement doesn't mean that you are never overcharged, but it does mean you are overcharged a lot less than you would be in closed market. That's how competition works. It gives you choices about where to shop so you don't have to let any company rip you off.

ejmaztec

Heyes wrote: »

Its not as simple as that, its a case of one country over another not just one supplier over another. Its uk and european countries winning the contract over your own country companies... which in turn is resulting in redundanices, in the supplier, the distributors, and transport companies through out the country.

If it was as simple as one company over another yeah grand thats fair, but its a lot more sneekier than that.

I would agree on your second statement if it ment you werent been over charged, and were been provided with your own home grown product.

Okay, where can I buy Irish homegrown fresh orange juice?